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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:34:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 5:45:30 AM EDT by thompsondd]
www.news-medical.net/?id=15310



Turks panic as bird flu sweeps across the country
Disease/Infection News
Published: Tuesday, 10-Jan-2006

Fears continue to grow in Turkey as more reports of suspected bird flu cases among people sweep across the country.

Authorities are concerned that the deadly disease is spreading westwards towards mainland Europe.

In an attempt to allay some of the fear a World Health Organization (WHO) team who visited the village of Dogubayazit, the home of the dead children, said the evidence there pointed to infection from diseased chickens.

Guenael Rodier, the head of the WHO's mission to Turkey and a specialist on communicable diseases, has reportedly said that all the victims appear to have contracted the virus directly from infected birds, and it is not passing from person to person.

According to the Turkish authorities, 14 people have now tested positive for the deadly bird flu virus.

That number includes three children from the same family, from a poor rural region of eastern Turkey, who died last week.

Since its emergence in 2003 bird flu is known to have killed 76 people but this latest outbreak in Turkey, in humans, is the first to occur outside Asia.

Turks are understandably worried and are overwhelming hospitals demanding tests for the virus.

To date the virus has a record of killing more than half of those it infects.

Among 23 people undergoing tests for bird flu in Istanbul are thirteen children. None have been confirmed as having bird flu.

The city has a population of 12 million and is not only the country's commercial hub but is also the gateway to Europe from Asia.

Experts have feared all along that the deadly H5N1 strain will mutate to enable it to pass easily from person to person.

This could create a pandemic with the potential to kill tens of millions of people, because humans lack any immunity to it.

The WHO has only confirmed five cases in Turkey, including two deaths, and says other cases reported by Turkey have so far not been verified by laboratory tests.

In a sign that the disease remains dangerous in southeast Asia, Indonesia has said that local tests showed a 39-year-old man had died from the virus earlier this month after contact with dead chickens. That takes the death toll there to 12.

Turkey is now treating human cases in three broad areas, including three victims from the area around the capital Ankara, about 400 km east of Istanbul.

The other victims are in the Black Sea areas in the north and the east where the deaths were reported last week.

Turkey's Health Minister Recep Akdag has said that the total number of cases in the country is 14 and out of those 14, three children have died.

During a visit to Dogubayazit he appealed to people to stay away from poultry, and to ensure their children are not in contact with birds.

On a more optimistic note it has been reported that the six-year-old brother of the dead children was discharged from hospital on Monday after being confirmed to be free of the disease.

The spread of the disease among humans may jeopardise the Turkish economy.

Russia has already warned its citizens to avoid traveling to Turkey, which is a favorite destination for Russians.



Looks like more and more cases of the bird flu are starting to 'jump'.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:36:15 AM EDT
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:38:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



True, but it is the strain that is starting to spread into the human race that is concerning. More and more cases being reported as time goes along.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:41:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:42:05 AM EDT
Did anyone else read the name of the village as "dog biscuit"?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:42:35 AM EDT
As soon as we cases of person to person transmission I will really worry.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:42:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



True, but it is the strain that is starting to spread into the human race that is concerning. More and more cases being reported as time goes along.



I'll be stopping by Turkey later this month. Anyone want me to bring them some back?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:43:25 AM EDT
Kenny: The Sky is falling!
Cartman: No stupid, that's just bird shit.. Hey, you don't think it had the avian flu, do ya? huh? Do ya?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:44:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Rivers and seas boiling! 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos. The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!



That movie has more "one liners" than should be allowed.

I always think of that line, every time someone starts in about TEOTWAWKI.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:46:30 AM EDT
oh noes!!!!1!!1 it's like sars all over again! the world will end!!! fuck!


i call bullshit on all thid bird flu hype. it's just the media trying to make a few bucks.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:50:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 6:06:11 AM EDT by hanau]

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Rivers and seas boiling! 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos. The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!



That movie has more "one liners" than should be allowed.

I always think of that line, every time someone starts in about TEOTWAWKI.




i didn't know what movie that was from but found the sound bite from it.

click




Link Posted: 1/10/2006 5:55:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:02:56 AM EDT

... the dead rising from the grave!



Woohoo!!

Zombie Hunting Season!

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:02:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:05:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 6:06:41 AM EDT by NoVaGator]

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:13:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:13:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chips:
oh noes!!!!1!!1 it's like sars all over again! the world will end!!! fuck!


i call bullshit on all thid bird flu hype. it's just the media trying to make a few bucks.



Well, I still remember stories my Grandpa would tell about the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.
Our Society, as it is today, could not handle an outbreak even a tenth as bad as that was.
The Weather Service predicts 3 inches of Snow and people panic. What do you think will happen when the Sheeple are told that 1 in 10 may get sick and die????
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:14:11 AM EDT
The ABC news site this morning had a little line on the crawler. "Asian bird flu not as serious a threat as previously thought."

The tinfoil guys are going to have to find another hysteria to latch on to.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:14:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:14:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:18:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



What? A swallow carring a cocounut?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:22:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wraith:

Originally Posted By chips:
oh noes!!!!1!!1 it's like sars all over again! the world will end!!! fuck!


i call bullshit on all thid bird flu hype. it's just the media trying to make a few bucks.



Well, I still remember stories my Grandpa would tell about the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.
Our Society, as it is today, could not handle an outbreak even a tenth as bad as that was.
The Weather Service predicts 3 inches of Snow and people panic. What do you think will happen when the Sheeple are told that 1 in 10 may get sick and die????

you're absolutely right. our society of sheeple, pussies, and libtards wouldn't last 24 hours if something did happen. but i'm just not buying into the whole bird flu pandemic thing.

however, after seeing some of the stuff that happened last year, i decided that i wouldn't be one of those helpless sheeple. i stay prepared for whatever may happen.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:25:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wraith:

Originally Posted By chips:
oh noes!!!!1!!1 it's like sars all over again! the world will end!!! fuck!


i call bullshit on all thid bird flu hype. it's just the media trying to make a few bucks.



Well, I still remember stories my Grandpa would tell about the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.
Our Society, as it is today, could not handle an outbreak even a tenth as bad as that was.
The Weather Service predicts 3 inches of Snow and people panic. What do you think will happen when the Sheeple are told that 1 in 10 may get sick and die????



The Spanish Flu killed more than 50 million people worldwide.....675,000 in the US.

And this was a time when the world was barely interconnected.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:38:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
The ABC news site this morning had a little line on the crawler. "Asian bird flu not as serious a threat as previously thought."

The tinfoil guys are going to have to find another hysteria to latch on to.


If it was on ABC news, it must be true.

Still, John, my TEOTWAWKI scenario starts with all the pr0n being mysteriously wiped from my hard drive........
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:39:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



What? A swallow carring a cocounut?



It could grip it by the husk!
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:41:53 AM EDT
So this is how the zombie invasion will begin. Get ready boys....
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:42:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DSVET91:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



What? A swallow carring a cocounut?



It could grip it by the husk!



Is not a question of where he grips it! Its a simple question of weight raitos! A five ounce bird can not carry a one pound cocounut.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:43:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.



Off the shelf 'hand sanitizer' is pretty much usless. Common house hold Bleach will kill most anything.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:45:39 AM EDT

Since its emergence in 2003 bird flu is known to have killed 76 people


wake me up when the hype is over and it starts to become a real threat.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:48:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pyro6988:
As soon as we cases of person to person transmission I will really worry.


I'll start to worry when that happens. When the first human cases appear in the US, then I'll start to panic. When we have cases in all fifty states, then it'll be time for us to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:52:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By xinflt:

Since its emergence in 2003 bird flu is known to have killed 76 people


wake me up when the hype is over and it starts to become a real threat.



So how many people does the regular old flue kill every year? Yeah we need to do something about the media scare tactics.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:02:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.



Nice list.
Forgot food, water, genset and gasoline.
Get your own - don't come looking to take mine.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:07:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 7:08:29 AM EDT by TRW]
TEOTWAWKI .....and I feel fine....

Blame BUSH
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:10:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Wraith:

Originally Posted By chips:
oh noes!!!!1!!1 it's like sars all over again! the world will end!!! fuck!


i call bullshit on all thid bird flu hype. it's just the media trying to make a few bucks.



Well, I still remember stories my Grandpa would tell about the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.
Our Society, as it is today, could not handle an outbreak even a tenth as bad as that was.
The Weather Service predicts 3 inches of Snow and people panic. What do you think will happen when the Sheeple are told that 1 in 10 may get sick and die????



The Spanish Flu killed more than 50 million people worldwide.....675,000 in the US.

And this was a time when the world was barely interconnected.



a list of ifs...

if bird flu hops and is as virulent as 1918 flu was it has been calculated that it will kill 3,000,000 in the US.

1918 flu has been indentified as a variant of an avian flu.

BUT.. it must jump and mutate and maintain a virulence equivalent to the 1918 spannish flu.

No one knows how it will go until it happens..

BTW, the h5n1 variant has a mortality rate of between 65 and 70 percent..
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:11:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:

Originally Posted By xinflt:

Since its emergence in 2003 bird flu is known to have killed 76 people


wake me up when the hype is over and it starts to become a real threat.



So how many people does the regular old flue kill every year? Yeah we need to do something about the media scare tactics.



It kills a hell of a lot. A 9 year old with asthma for example. LOTS of elderly.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:12:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:18:15 AM EDT
im still in my bunker from last years "SARS TEOTWAWKI "

and im running out of tinfoil!!

HELP MR OBI ONE! YOUR MY ONLY HOPE!

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:34:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
So how many people does the regular old flue kill every year?



I'm sure there are several people who get stuck in them. I doubt many die though.



Where's Sweep? He's probably got some stories.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:42:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 7:42:54 AM EDT by kissfan]

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
The Spanish Flu killed more than 50 million people worldwide.....675,000 in the US.
And this was a time when the world was barely interconnected.



Yeah, but NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INFLUENZA!
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:06:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.



Nice list.
Forgot food, water, genset and gasoline.
Get your own - don't come looking to take mine.



I left that off. Don't forget a stash of rubber gloves too
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:07:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wraith:

Originally Posted By macman37:

"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.



Off the shelf 'hand sanitizer' is pretty much usless. Common house hold Bleach will kill most anything.



Really? Good to know. Good thing I have bleach too then!
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:33:22 AM EDT
Does this mean that I should order more ammo?

(That's a rhetorical question)
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:37:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kill-9:
Does this mean that I should order more ammo?

(That's a rhetorical question)



I order more ammo if the temperature outside makes me nervous.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:20:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By st0newall:
BTW, the h5n1 variant has a mortality rate of between 65 and 70 percent..


There was a news article on Yahoo yesterday saying that a study in Vietnam showed that a lot of people had been infected and survived. the problem is, the only cases in which {people go to the hospital, get tested for the H5N1 virus, and get labeled a "confirmed case" by the World Health Org} are the severe cases where the person is at death's door.

I mean, in the U.S., if you get the sniffles, do you go see the doc? I never did. It's different in some countries (Taiwan's socialized medical system is overwhelmed by geezers with nothing better to do than go wait in a hospital to whine at a doc for ten minutes every two or three days), but in third-world places like Vietnam, someone who did that would probably get shot as a lazy running-dog counterrevolutionary who is trying to bring down world socialism.

Anyway, the article went into methodology a little bit, and it wasn't rigorous, but it strongly suggested that H5N1 is already widespread in rural third-world countries, infecting lots of people who have small flocks of poultry, and that most cases are the typical "three days of sneezing" that we see in most influenzas.




Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
So how many people does the regular old flue kill every year? Yeah we need to do something about the media scare tactics.



It kills a hell of a lot. A 9 year old with asthma for example. LOTS of elderly.


One issue is, the H5N1 flu seems to cause a "cytokine storm" in the immune system, which is worse for healthy people than it is for people with weakened immune systems.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:47:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



So, logicakiely, if bird flu weights the same as a duck.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:52:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
So how many people does the regular old flue kill every year?



I'm sure there are several people who get stuck in them. I doubt many die though.



The regular flu kills tens of thousands of people every year in the United States, according tot he CDC.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:55:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By DSVET91:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



What? A swallow carring a cocounut?



It could grip it by the husk!



Is not a question of where he grips it! Its a simple question of weight raitos! A five ounce bird can not carry a one pound cocounut.




Link Posted: 1/10/2006 10:29:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 10:32:18 AM EDT by Fenian]

Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?


In the meantime, here's a linky on the flu related death trend..it's going up, not down.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/07/health/main535605.shtml

There may be some hype about the bird flu, and it still has to go through several more mutations before it comes close to becoming the human-to-human world ender that it *could* become...but a pandemic along the lines of what happened in 1918 would be a life changing experience for the entire country. That's nothing to sneeze at (groan...a bad pun, but what the hey, it was there).

I've said this before...our medical system is simply not designed to handle the millions of sick people we'd be seeing if this turned into a full blown pandemic. A medium sized earthquake or other natural disaster, where there's only a few hundred/thousand extra patients, can still stretch local hospital/doctor capacity. Project that out to the millions, and the picture's not very rosy...the economy will go right down the shitter for a start.. Even if the bulk of the projected 2 or 3 million deaths arent' from the workforce, you still have family members who have to stay home and care for their kids, spouses, and/or parents. Just look at what a mess we had with Hurrican Katrina...do you think local .govs in places like Detroit and DC are gonna be any better prepared than New Orleans?? I don't know about Detroit, but DC is gonna be fooked lol...this is the same city that re-elected Marion Barry for God's sake.

It most likely won't happen this year...it might not happen for another 200 years...but it WILL happen. Whether it's the flu, an airborne filovirus a la The Hot Zone, or something we haven't even seen yet...it's out there, and it's COMING dun dun duh...(cue the spooky music )

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 10:39:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By DSVET91:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?



Not at all. They could be carried



What? A swallow carring a cocounut?



It could grip it by the husk!



Is not a question of where he grips it! Its a simple question of weight raitos! A five ounce bird can not carry a one pound cocounut.



Listen, in order to maintain air-speed velocity, a
swallow needs to beat its wings 43 times every second, right?
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 10:40:07 AM EDT
The HN51 virus is now being passed only from birds to humans. Once the virus has a human host, it is a roll of the dice from then on. One protein here, one amino acid here, and you have on bad ass bug. I am not worried yet, but I am paying attention. Imagine how hard masks and respirators will be to get if the US becomes infected.

If the bird flu reaches here and stays in poultry, imagine the economic results of millions of birds being destroyed. Bye, Bye to chicken nuggets and such.

One would be a fool to ignore this, just have a plan in cause the HN51 does mutate.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 10:46:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Max_Power:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
birds migrate, therefore the bird flu will also.



Not African swallows.



The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?



(that reminds me to change my sig)



"How is it you've come to know so much about swallows?"

As to the bird flu:

Respirator masks: Check
Hand sanitizer: Check
Guns and ammo: Check

I'd rather it didn't happen but... I've done what I can.



Nice list.
Forgot food, water, genset and gasoline.
Get your own - don't come looking to take mine.



I left that off. Don't forget a stash of rubber gloves too



Just checking.
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