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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:06:05 PM EDT

Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?

I was looking at this SKS following a Google search and saw it had a bayonet, and I wondered really what the point was to having one if you weren't using it in the millitary.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:07:11 PM EDT

[#1]

close quarters self defense.........ammo DOES run out

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:08:16 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?

I was looking at this SKS following a Google search and saw it had a bayonet, and I wondered really what the point was to having one if you weren't using it in the millitary.

agntsa

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:08:19 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
close quarters self defense.........ammo DOES run out

Hmmm...makes a lot of sense.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:08:37 PM EDT

[#4]

Intimidation even if you have a full magazine.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:08:42 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?

I was looking at this SKS following a Google search and saw it had a bayonet, and I wondered really what the point was to having one if you weren't using it in the millitary.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:08:56 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?

I was looking at this SKS following a Google search and saw it had a bayonet, and I wondered really what the point was to having one if you weren't using it in the millitary.

umm.. imagine your lost in the woods, it is cold and rainy and you REALLY want to roast marshmallows.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:13:27 PM EDT

[#7]

(a) Rifle &/or Club &/or Spear

(b) Rifle &/or Club

Which is better?

ETA: I believe the technical term for the accouterment under discussion is "kill dagger."

ETA(2): I believe that "Bayonets Not on Rifles" are known as "knives" or "knives with no fucking handles."

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:13:48 PM EDT

[#8]

If you are in the middle of a crowd of zombies and can't do a reload it could come in handy. With that said, I do have one correct example for each military rifle type that takes one just for non PC goodness.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:16:01 PM EDT

[#9]

"Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?"

Yes.

Bayonets on rifles make liberals even more frightened and angry.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:16:33 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
close quarters self defense.........ammo DOES run out

That's why I got one on my pistol.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:16:58 PM EDT

[#11]

Yep, I do it just to piss off the liberals.

And I like some of them as knives.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:19:18 PM EDT

[#12]

Because Chuckles Schumer and Diane Effing Feinstein says you shouldn't have one!

What more reason do you need?

--As if you needed a reason--

--And if that's not good enough, because it ramps up the eeeevil factor of even an M1 Carbine!

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:19:21 PM EDT

[#13]

It's as simple as being able to buy one in the orginal configuration. It is a pretty useless feature, and in fact causes more harm than good in most cases.

5 rifles come to mind instantly when mentioning permanently attached bayonets:

1) SKS
2) M44 Mosin Nagant
3) Czech VS 52 & 52/57
4) Carcano cavalry carbine
5) Arisaka 44th year carbine

The thinking was sound in the era of bayonets being a legitimate combat tool. This obsolete thinking lasted much longer than it should have due to certain cultures love of blades (in the case of the Japanese) and the brutal battlefield spirit of others (the Soviets).

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:19:52 PM EDT

[#14]

Watch the movie Zulu Dawn

At one point as the British at Isandlawhana are staring down the 'head of the Zulu buffalo' one of the troopers makes the comment that bullets can run out, spears don't.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:20:14 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
close quarters self defense.........ammo DOES run out

That's why I got one on my pistol.

They make pistol bayonets? The only ones I have seen have been on rifles, like this SKS and a Garand that was in a pic that Rodent posted once.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:20:20 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Is there really a point to having one if the rifle is used by civillians rather than millitary?

Because my rifle has lugs for one and I might need to stick somebody with it someday.

Is there really any other point necessary?

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:21:35 PM EDT

[#17]

Bayos have been around since the beginning of firearms.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:22:26 PM EDT

[#18]

bayonets are rarely ever used in combats. Most soldiers would sooner use their rifle as a club.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:22:47 PM EDT

[#19]

20% more evil.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:23:21 PM EDT

[#20]

Drive-by bayonettings.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:24:07 PM EDT

[#21]

A Birtish squad did a bayonet charge in Iraq.

It worked IIRC, they got scared and ran away (the enemy).

Someone else can correct and fill the details.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:25:16 PM EDT

[#22]

Aren't bayonets (attatched to a rifle) an offensive weapon?

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:25:36 PM EDT

[#23]

I've heard bayonets are good for peacekeeping crowd control

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:26:40 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
close quarters self defense.........ammo DOES run out

That's why I got one on my pistol.

They make pistol bayonets? The only ones I have seen have been on rifles, like this SKS and a Garand that was in a pic that Rodent posted once.

History & Evolution of the bayonet

The different types of bayonet existed side by side and many variations on the theme have been tried over the years - some which were practical but were never widely produced and some which were quite bizarre.

An example of the latter has to be the privately produced 1916 Pritchard pistol bayonet. Manufactured by WW Greener, this was a short brass-hilted affair utilising a cut-down French Gras bayonet blade and was meant to attach to the Webley mark IV revolver. The idea of a bayonet on a pistol was not new but was probably as ineffective in WWI as it was in the 18th Century.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:26:50 PM EDT

[#25]

when you are walking out of the woods, you can "leave no trace" by picking up trash witout bending over.
and if your kids have "assault weapons", which normal kids would, they want to be cool and have the whole package and not some modiied fake...

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:27:12 PM EDT

[#26]

Because;

1. They look cool.

2. This country doesn't/shouldn't require a need to be proved for something.

3. Because we're supposed to have by right all the terrible implements of war.

Need is a very scary prerequisite to exercising our rights.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:28:02 PM EDT

[#27]

Yes, while it has a limited use, the fight is more over having the option taken away from you on ARs, and butchering classic rifles like the M1 rifle, M1 carbine, SKS, AK47, etc, etc all to please the PC police.

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:56:12 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Because;

1. They look cool.

2. This country doesn't/shouldn't require a need to be proved for something.

3. Because we're supposed to have by right all the terrible implements of war.

Need is a very scary prerequisite to exercising our rights.

+Eleventeenbillion!!!

Posted: 1/9/2006 7:59:09 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Because;

1. They look cool.

2. This country doesn't/shouldn't require a need to be proved for something.

3. Because we're supposed to have by right all the terrible implements of war.

Need is a very scary prerequisite to exercising our rights.

+1 - no one needs more than 128 MB or RAM...

mandating that may actually deter hackers...

Posted: 1/9/2006 8:01:30 PM EDT

[#30]

I use them on C%R guns to get the cosmo out, fix the bayo, use it as a stand for it in full sunlight.

Also fun just for the hell of it

Posted: 1/9/2006 8:05:28 PM EDT

[#31]

Because they be cool...

Posted: 1/9/2006 8:05:35 PM EDT

[#32]

And what's the point of Full power centerfire ammo for us lowly civilians, .22 rimfire would suit us just fine, and look how well it has reduced crime in England.

Posted: 1/9/2006 8:12:31 PM EDT

[#33]

Becouse I can!

Posted: 1/10/2006 9:34:54 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Because they be cool...

img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/VonErnst/DSCF0278.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/VonErnst/DSCF0283.jpg

Good looking bayonet on the K31 is that a 1914 bayonet?

Regards

ACK

Posted: 1/10/2006 9:35:59 PM EDT

[#35]

it pisses off the antis

Posted: 1/10/2006 9:54:17 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Drive-by bayonettings.

Dammit, dammit, dammit.

Somebody always beats me to it.

Posted: 1/10/2006 10:01:02 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Because;

1. They look cool.

2. This country doesn't/shouldn't require a need to be proved for something.

3. Because we're supposed to have by right all the terrible implements of war.

Need is a very scary prerequisite to exercising our rights.

Im so glad soemone brought this up. What I need is a very very scarey thought.

Posted: 1/10/2006 11:16:42 PM EDT

[#38]

Because there are some stupid people for whatever reason would assume that you wouldnt shoot them, but they might for some reason think that you would be willing to stick them.

Posted: 1/10/2006 11:20:08 PM EDT

[#39]

Hell, theres alot of reasons why you don't NEED things like a bayonet, but there aren't any reasons why I shouldn't be able to

Posted: 1/10/2006 11:21:19 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Because they be cool...

Is that a bayonet or a sword taped on your rifle?

But that is, quite possibly, the bitchinest bayonet EVER

Posted: 1/10/2006 11:36:28 PM EDT

[#41]

Besides the obvious self defense reasons, if you hunt hogs in thick bush its a good idea. Really good idea if you hunt alone without dogs.

Posted: 1/11/2006 12:41:29 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Good looking bayonet on the K31 is that a 1914 bayonet?

Regards

ACK

Yep...!

One of my silly childhood desires.

www.swissrifles.com/bayonets/

Posted: 1/11/2006 1:13:44 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Drive-by bayonettings.

Dammit, dammit, dammit.

Somebody always beats me to it.

Why do you think that is?

Posted: 1/11/2006 2:55:58 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Drive-by bayonettings.

Dammit, dammit, dammit.

Somebody always beats me to it.

Why do you think that is?

Because you're very smart.

Posted: 1/11/2006 3:16:47 PM EDT

[#45]

bayonetts have many uses other than stabbing.

kick stand <rifle stand>
garbage picker upper
field knife
intimidation
cool factor

and many others.

in the military, when the order to fix bayonets is given i always got a moral boost as well. Yes i was a remf but there is something about sticking a blade on the end of your rifle that makes you feel like a warrior.

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