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Posted: 1/6/2006 12:00:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 12:36:32 AM EDT by yekimak]
Well?

We've been swinging from the right to the left and back again for as long as I can remember, with a general trend of both sides getting lefter. So is it going to be the end of out little golden era come the next few elections? Gawd I hope not.

edited title to limit things to just gun ownership. I tend to be libertarian/darwinish on most things and want to avoid other topics right now because we (arfcommers) ain't ever going to agree on much else.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:02:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:02:36 AM EDT
Depends on who is running.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:07:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 12:08:36 AM EDT by Mr45auto]
Remember if it comes to registration "two is one, one is none". I'll let you figure out what I'm getting at. If we're screwed you can determine just how screwed you really are.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:09:20 AM EDT
My gut says the country will swing back to the left, on major political leaders.

I hate that, but that's my feeling.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:11:44 AM EDT
It's hard to say right now, but it dont look very good
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:12:25 AM EDT
It's all gonna hinge on what happens in Iraq
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:13:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
It's hard to say right now, but it dont look very good



Really?

I didn't think they really had anybody. The Dems pander to their fringes, and can't seem to come up with a centerist candidate.

Who knows. I need a beer.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:17:34 AM EDT
Hilary vs...

What if...

Hilary vs. Black man...who would you vote for?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:18:05 AM EDT
I think the Dems will float a pseudo-Centrist candidate and win.

I think the only repubs who could get elected at this point are Rhino's

still some time to see things develop though

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:20:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rem700PSS:
Hilary vs...

What if...

Hilary vs. Black man...who would you vote for?



Answer: Anybody but Hillary.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:20:34 AM EDT
If the DNC puts up Hillary the RNC should trump them with Rice!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:21:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:
Well?

We've been swinging from the right to the left and back again for as long as I can remember, with a general trend of both sides getting lefter. So is it going to be the end of out little golden era come the next few elections? Gawd I hope not.




Keep the faith. While it is easy to be discouraged by all the stories in the news, I really believe the majority of Americans understand what is at stake. I do not have a clue who will end up running for the GOP and that is a little unsettling. I am pretty sure the dims will have Hitlery as their candidate. While they think she has a very good chance of winning, they are wrong about most everything most all the time. I know no one who would vote for her except my mother in law. She believes evrything she reads in newsweak and tyme, plus every story on cnn and msnbs.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:26:25 AM EDT
Who knows. In the short term the Left might pick up a few seats here and there, especially if Iraq goes south or half of the Republicans in Washington go down over this Abramoff deal. However, they'll be in trouble come 2010 when everything is redistricted. Several blue states are hemorrhaging people - New York alone is set to lose 2 House seats and thus be worth 2 less in the Electoral College.

At the same time, red states are growing by leaps and bounds. For example, Texas and Florida both are predicted to GAIN two seats.

As much noise as the demoncats are making right now, I think in the long-run their position is a loser. Hopefully they don't drive us all insane in the meantime.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:37:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:

Originally Posted By Rem700PSS:
Hilary vs...

What if...

Hilary vs. Black man...who would you vote for?



Answer: Anybody but Hillary.



+1000

thats a scary thought, but a very possible senario
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:39:04 AM EDT
Well I Know which way Michigan. Is going to go. Economy is hurting here.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:39:38 AM EDT
I seem to recall many on these boards saying that there was no way W could be re-elected.

If you do your part, we can hold the seats.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:49:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
I seem to recall many on these boards saying that there was no way W could be re-elected.

If you do your part, we can hold the seats.



I was working away from home and drove 120 miles after work to get to my home town to vote. God must have wanted me to vote because the trip down took only and hour 45min, weather turned right after I got there and it took 3 and a half hours to get back to Anchorage through the snowstorm. I was only on my hometown for 15 minutes.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:51:06 AM EDT
Just for fun, what would happen if Condy ran against Hillery? Imagine the lather the dems would get in!

"Um. Umm, well, I could vote Klinton, cause she's a she, and a dem, but would I then be discriminating against the oppressed African American woman? But then, she was an oil company director and worked for Bush! But Hillery stayed with that cheating bastard of a husband, thus betraying the sisterhood! I'll vote Condi. No, wait! She went to Ivy League colleges and did really well, so she's, wait... SHE'S BLACK AND FEMALE! BUT SHE WORKED FOR BUSH!!! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!­!!!! SPLAT!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:56:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lert:
Just for fun, what would happen if Condy ran against Hillery? Imagine the lather the dems would get in!

"Um. Umm, well, I could vote Klinton, cause she's a she, and a dem, but would I then be discriminating against the oppressed African American woman? But then, she was an oil company director and worked for Bush! But Hillery stayed with that cheating bastard of a husband, thus betraying the sisterhood! I'll vote Condi. No, wait! She went to Ivy League colleges and did really well, so she's, wait... SHE'S BLACK AND FEMALE! BUT SHE WORKED FOR BUSH!!! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!­!!!! SPLAT!



That very thought usually improves my mood.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:01:05 AM EDT
Condi will not run. She is not a politician and the GOP could/would not prop her up.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:17:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Condi will not run. She is not a politician and the GOP could/would not prop her up.



Maybe so, but its still fun to think it

Colin would be almost as good, except that he isn't a she
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:18:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Condi will not run. She is not a politician and the GOP could/would not prop her up.



She and Powell are both considered "Uncle Toms" or something and are considered traitors my the libtard community. They might as well be crusty old white guys wearing golf clothes.

I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot. I just don't know if that is enough to carry her over when America is used to seeing as their leaders (grey haired white guys).
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:29:13 AM EDT

I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot


Whaaaa?! Uh-.....oh........

Whoo! Sorry about that, came onto this thread at a bad time.

Okay. For the record, I side with no party. Let me also add that two years is a long time and A LOT can happen, but... I see Billery running, and maybe Obama and or Kerry again. Repbs, I have no guesses, but Id like to see John McCain (R. AZ) run and win.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:34:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:

I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot


Whaaaa?! Uh-.....oh........

Whoo! Sorry about that, came onto this thread at a bad time.

Okay. For the record, I side with no party. Let me also add that two years is a long time and A LOT can happen, but... I see Billery running, and maybe Obama and or Kerry again. Repbs, I have no guesses, but Id like to see John McCain (R. AZ) run and win.



You want someone who absolutely wiped his ass with the Constitution to serve as President? For crying out loud...
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:37:00 AM EDT
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution? He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:37:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:

I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot


Whaaaa?! Uh-.....oh........

Whoo! Sorry about that, came onto this thread at a bad time.

Okay. For the record, I side with no party. Let me also add that two years is a long time and A LOT can happen, but... I see Billery running, and maybe Obama and or Kerry again. Repbs, I have no guesses, but Id like to see John McCain (R. AZ) run and win.



Between her and McCain, I'd rather do Condi...I mean vote for her...well do her as well, I mean McCains got that war hero thing and all, but he just doesn't "Do IT" for me that way you know? In any way actually. I think he is what Kerry always wanted to be.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:42:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 1:43:11 AM EDT by DavidHayter]
I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs. I get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 1:51:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs. I just get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



IF she is, it still takes alot of balls to be one. I mean there cannot be a more shunned person than a female black conservative republican. Women tend to lean towards the Democrats, Blacks tend to lean that way, a black woman should be, stereotypically a vehement Democrat.

I also look at it like this. She is progun because her father defended his family with guns against racists. Most people with that sort of experience tend to go the other way and hate guns because of the violence they witnessed and hate conservatives because they are somehow considered the party of racists (Democrats were the pro-slave ones, and Republicans were the anti-slave third party start up). Condi has obviously thought through the initial knee-jerk reactions and has gone on to become one of the most powerful people in America. I also admire her because she is out there doing her job and not espousing crap from the rooftops and using her position to promote herself and ideals (Klinton, Kerry, etc are all using their current positions to line themselves up for a shot or another shot at the presidency).



Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:21:30 AM EDT
Well, I hope not , I think it will depend on the 2008 race for prez, need another republican
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:37:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs. I get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.




You need to look a bit harder then. So your impression lends you to insult her off the bat and demean her ability and intent? Before you judge her so fast, try looking into her a bit more.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:42:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs. I just get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



IF she is, it still takes alot of balls to be one. I mean there cannot be a more shunned person than a female black conservative republican. Women tend to lean towards the Democrats, Blacks tend to lean that way, a black woman should be, stereotypically a vehement Democrat.

I also look at it like this. She is progun because her father defended his family with guns against racists. Most people with that sort of experience tend to go the other way and hate guns because of the violence they witnessed and hate conservatives because they are somehow considered the party of racists (Democrats were the pro-slave ones, and Republicans were the anti-slave third party start up). Condi has obviously thought through the initial knee-jerk reactions and has gone on to become one of the most powerful people in America. I also admire her because she is out there doing her job and not espousing crap from the rooftops and using her position to promote herself and ideals (Klinton, Kerry, etc are all using their current positions to line themselves up for a shot or another shot at the presidency).






+1 on her family's experience with racism. I was surprised she even said she was pro-gun. I can picture her running for VP in the 2008 election though.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:55:01 AM EDT
I say we are doomed. DOOMED!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:05:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:

I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot


Whaaaa?! Uh-.....oh........

Whoo! Sorry about that, came onto this thread at a bad time.

Okay. For the record, I side with no party. Let me also add that two years is a long time and A LOT can happen, but... I see Billery running, and maybe Obama and or Kerry again. Repbs, I have no guesses, but Id like to see John McCain (R. AZ) run and win.



You want someone who absolutely wiped his ass with the Constitution to serve as President? For crying out loud...



McCain is the very definition of a RINO. I wouldn't vote for him for dog-catcher.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:24:16 AM EDT
I don't think we are "fucked".
And I do agree with your basic premise. We do swing back and forth politically and the pendulum does seem to be gradually moving its anchor point a little bit further to the left each time. GW did win the last two elections only by the skin of his teeth despite what some of the radio talk show hosts would like us to believe and it is very likely we will see a Democrat in the White House in '08. More bad news is that the Dems have a really good shot at taking back the Senate. The House will remain in the hands of the Republicans.
However, even in a worst case senario both houses will have to agree on any changes to current law. Also, the nightmare of the Hillarybeast is, I believe, just that, a bad pipe dream. I don't believe the Dems are going to challenge the Repubs with another Northeast Liberal. I think everybody realizes that that will just not work. They will run someone like Bill Richardson from New Mexico and he will probably win. The Dems will also stay away from gun control as a campaign issue. Of course, this does not mean that they will refrain from cooking up trouble once they win the White House.
We are not "fucked", but we will face some challenges; no doubt about that.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:24:35 AM EDT
I can almost guarantee a Dem. Look how close it was last election...and how our numbers keep dropping as far as popularity.

Will be Ted Kennedy and Feinswine.

Where is that head exploding smiley when i need it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:32:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cleatus:
I can almost guarantee a Dem. Look how close it was last election...and how our numbers keep dropping as far as popularity.

Will be Ted Kennedy and Feinswine.

Where is that head exploding smiley when i need it.



Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:36:02 AM EDT
2006 likely

2008 stock up on this

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:36:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lert:
Just for fun, what would happen if Condy ran against Hillery? Imagine the lather the dems would get in!



I'd love to see Condy as pres. Can't wait till Micael Moore publish "Stupic black women".
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:38:11 AM EDT
I think even if the republicans lose some seats, the NRA has scared the hell out of most elected democrats. I don't think that will change for a while. It is not like the RKBA is making tons of progress under the republicans anyway.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:38:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution? He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



hello, troll!

CFR ring a bell?

I'm tired of people defending liberals because 'they served'. Great, they served. Now they want to piss on the constitution. Any good will earned by serving has dried up and blown away once they do that.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:39:57 AM EDT
Put it this way as of September 2005 I owned 8 guns, I am up too 13 now and likely 18 or 19 by next September. That clear it up?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:40:24 AM EDT
I think it is still swinging towards the right.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:41:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution? He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



hello, troll!

CFR ring a bell?

I'm tired of people defending liberals because 'they served'. Great, they served. Now they want to piss on the constitution. Any good will earned by serving has dried up and blown away once they do that.



Agreed I wholeheartedly believe Kerry was the worst od 2 bad choices but GWB is stil doing his best to use the Bil of Rights as toilet paper.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:45:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution? He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



hello, troll!

CFR ring a bell?

I'm tired of people defending liberals because 'they served'. Great, they served. Now they want to piss on the constitution. Any good will earned by serving has dried up and blown away once they do that.



Just because McCain served and was captured in Vietnam he doesn't have the right to sell my daughter's generation into the slavery of socialism


Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:47:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution? He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.
Ok, what about Ron Paul?



That standard is starting to look a little bad, given Murthafucker, Kerry, and McCain's seeming desire to fuck the troops at every turn. "Vet" on your resume for office no longer carries any weight with me, and I are one. Those shitheads experienced the same political assrape they are giving the current military folks, and they need to get canned now. NONE of them are worth a damn and would be clusterfucks as president.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:05:01 PM EDT
Ron Paul is viewed as a fruit loop crackpot even by the GOP hence why nothing he has ever authored has even come out of committee. HR 1703 was designed to fail. The Brady parts of the bill eliminate somthing vital to GWB and the DOJ serving under him, 4473s. Every federal agency goes through 4473s as a method of tracking just like bank transactions, toll cards, and anyhting else trackable electronicly. Ron Paul also is on the GOP shitlist for his anti-war efforts, he would have to run as a Dem, as he would have 0 chance as a libertarian. Generally speaking it is heresy for a libertarian to run as a Socialists.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:06:09 PM EDT
Depends on how many dead people and illegal mexicans vote for democraps
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:13:16 PM EDT
We're screwed because the Republicans have pissed off their base bigtime which will effect voter turnout and it won't take much to swing it one way or another. The current investigation into congressional lobbyists and corruption will swing some undecideds to the left. I think we're screwed and when the next socialist administration takes over with a socialist Congress we are going to get reamed good. They will not wait, they will not delay. They are going to shove their agenda down our throats as rapicly as possible, incl the first efforts at gun confiscation.

In the midst of this the Stock Mkt will go down, entitlements will strangle the economy, and we are headed for both an economic collapse and WWIII in a decade or two. I am hopelessly pessimistic about it all, I know, but I cannot see how we are going to pluck victory from the jaws of defeat this time around.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:50:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DavidHayter:
How did he wipe his ass with the constitution?


Campaign Finance Reform for one...
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:51:53 PM EDT
I don't see why we would be. Pretty much everything at the national level has gone our way in the last 6 years or so. The AWB sunset without a renewal even making it to the floor in either house of Congress. We got PLCA. Nothing bad for us even made it to the floor. IIRC, news from the States is mostly good too, the only exception being a little token BS in Liberal haven states like California. We're slowly picking up more shall-issue CCW states and no state with shall-issue has made a serious attempt at repealing it. I don't see any reason why these trends should reverse.

At the more political level, the Democrat party has lost big in pretty much every election since, what, 1994? They continue to lose even bigger every year. The Democrat party has also gone soft on gun control. There's still the usual gun grabbers, Feinstien and Schumer and all, but the Democrat leadership is all but silent on the subject, except for a few token appeals to "hunters" in election years. I don't see any reason why these trends should reverse.

Sure, the press has cooked up a few BS scandals. But they've done that every election, and the only effect is that more people realize that they're a bunch of lying whores for the far Left. Why should they have an effect now that they haven't had in at least a decade?

The media war seems to be going our way too. Sure, we still have the mainstream media being who they are, but their monopoly is gone forever, and their viewership is declining. We're having more effect rebutting them then ever - see Memogate. The thing is, their tactics have worked in the past because they were a monopoly. But even a small compromise of their domination will invalidate all of their efforts. I believe we have that with the advent of the Internet, Talk Radio, and some of the excellent books that have been published recently.

On top of it all, I don't see any reason why Liberals should start getting more support. It's becoming painfully obvious that they don't have any ideas, plans, or real leadership. It's nothing but the same tired accusations they've been making for the last 30 years, and some obviously concocted scandals.

I think it's going to be a good year.
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