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Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:55:41 PM EDT
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Not if the Republicans maintain a majority in the Congress and keep the White House.  If that should not happen then all bets are off, and we can expect another AWB in our future, just as a start.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:00:40 PM EDT
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I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs.  I just get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



IF she is, it still takes alot of balls to be one.  I mean there cannot be a more shunned person than a female black conservative republican.  Women tend to lean towards the Democrats, Blacks tend to lean that way, a black woman should be, stereotypically a vehement Democrat.

I also look at it like this.  She is progun because her father defended his family with guns against racists.  Most people with that sort of experience tend to go the other way and hate guns because of the violence they witnessed and hate conservatives because they are somehow considered the party of racists (Democrats were the pro-slave ones, and Republicans were the anti-slave third party start up).  Condi has obviously thought through the initial knee-jerk reactions and has gone on to become one of the most powerful people in America.  I also admire her because she is out there doing her job and not espousing crap from the rooftops and using her position to promote herself and ideals (Klinton, Kerry, etc are all using their current positions to line themselves up for a shot or another shot at the presidency).






+1 on her family's experience with racism. I was surprised she even said she was pro-gun. I can picture her running for VP in the 2008 election though.



If Condi is on the ticket...it must be for president...when you put a woman on as VP it cries deperation.  People, regardless of the facts of the matter, think you are pandering to the female vote when you put one on as VP.  If Condi runs, it must be for Pres or nothing.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:04:10 PM EDT
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If the DNC puts up Hillary the RNC should trump them with Rice!




+1.  I would vote for her.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:08:15 PM EDT
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I think that if the Repubs grew some testicles they could rebut most of the BS the Dems are spreading. As a matter of fact I think the Repubs are smart for not wasting their "amunition" this early in the race.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:09:10 PM EDT
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How did he wipe his ass with the constitution?  He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



god where have you been under a rock.

he gave us "Campaign Finanace Reform" (pissed on the 1st amendment)
tried to ban private party sales at gun shows nation wide (pissing on 2nd amendemnt)
im sure someone while pipe in with more.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:17:08 PM EDT
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I'd vote for Condi. She's pro gun, and kinda hot
 

Whaaaa?!  Uh-.....oh........

Whoo!  Sorry about that, came onto this thread at a bad time.

Okay.  For the record, I side with no party.  Let me also add that two years is a long time and A LOT can happen, but...   I see Billery running, and maybe Obama and or Kerry again.  Repbs, I have no guesses, but Id like to see John McCain (R. AZ) run and win.



You want someone who absolutely wiped his ass with the Constitution to serve as President? For crying out loud...



why not, GWB is wiping his ass on the constituion?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:23:32 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:46:40 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.



36% of gunowners votes for Kerry (posted in another thread).  Even here on ARFCOM i am sure there are AWB supporters.  

We could not organize our way out of a wet paper bag.  Some hate the GOA, some the NRA, some everyone, not to mention the varied opinions on gun laws etc.  

We cannot even all agree to that the 2nd is an individual right.  
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:52:25 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.



36% of gunowners votes for Kerry (posted in another thread).  Even here on ARFCOM i am sure there are AWB supporters.  

We could not organize our way out of a wet paper bag.  Some hate the GOA, some the NRA, some everyone, not to mention the varied opinions on gun laws etc.  

We cannot even all agree to that the 2nd is an individual right.  



organize as much as we can.

better then tossing our hands in the air then bending over and taking it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:08:22 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.



36% of gunowners votes for Kerry (posted in another thread).  Even here on ARFCOM i am sure there are AWB supporters.  

We could not organize our way out of a wet paper bag.  Some hate the GOA, some the NRA, some everyone, not to mention the varied opinions on gun laws etc.  

We cannot even all agree to that the 2nd is an individual right.  



organize as much as we can.

better then tossing our hands in the air then bending over and taking it.



Agreed though I might differ on our respective ideas on organization.
I'm with ya though, politically or otherwise.

FWIW, I wouldn't base the opinions of real gunowners on this site anymore. Pretty much overrun with socialist pussies attempting to sow dissent, divide and conquer. Keep the faith men, we're a long way from being finished.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:04:43 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.



36% of gunowners votes for Kerry (posted in another thread).  Even here on ARFCOM i am sure there are AWB supporters.  

We could not organize our way out of a wet paper bag.  Some hate the GOA, some the NRA, some everyone, not to mention the varied opinions on gun laws etc.  

We cannot even all agree to that the 2nd is an individual right.  



organize as much as we can.

better then tossing our hands in the air then bending over and taking it.



Agreed though I might differ on our respective ideas on organization.
I'm with ya though, politically or otherwise.

FWIW, I wouldn't base the opinions of real gunowners on this site anymore. Pretty much overrun with socialist pussies attempting to sow dissent, divide and conquer. Keep the faith men, we're a long way from being finished.



Someone tell me what to do?  I have voted for Pro gun reps, voted for GWB, but no matter how I vote, if the rest of the nation slides, I slide with it, and that sucks.  
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:34:06 PM EDT
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also as gunowners we need to stay organized and always vigil.



36% of gunowners votes for Kerry (posted in another thread).  Even here on ARFCOM i am sure there are AWB supporters.  

We could not organize our way out of a wet paper bag.  Some hate the GOA, some the NRA, some everyone, not to mention the varied opinions on gun laws etc.  

We cannot even all agree to that the 2nd is an individual right.  



organize as much as we can.

better then tossing our hands in the air then bending over and taking it.



Agreed though I might differ on our respective ideas on organization.
I'm with ya though, politically or otherwise.

FWIW, I wouldn't base the opinions of real gunowners on this site anymore. Pretty much overrun with socialist pussies attempting to sow dissent, divide and conquer. Keep the faith men, we're a long way from being finished.



Someone tell me what to do?  I have voted for Pro gun reps, voted for GWB, but no matter how I vote, if the rest of the nation slides, I slide with it, and that sucks.  



Well, you're not going to be much help up there in AK!

Other than that, prepare for your own survival and that of your family.
Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls.
Influence those you can, ID the socialists in your midst.
Train, workout, get ready. If and when the time comes you won't have much time to prepare then.
Learn first aid skills-all of you.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:34:48 PM EDT
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It's hard to say right now, but it dont look very good



+1
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:44:14 PM EDT
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Well, you're not going to be much help up there in AK!

Other than that, prepare for your own survival and that of your family.   Check
Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls. Check
Influence those you can, ID the socialists in your midst.   They wear hemp beaded jewelry and smell of patchouli, check
Train, workout, get ready. If and when the time comes you won't have much time to prepare then. Check
Learn first aid skills-all of you. Check




I ain't worried about myself, it is the rest of you that worry me.  
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:45:35 PM EDT
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Well, you're not going to be much help up there in AK!

Other than that, prepare for your own survival and that of your family.   Check
Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls. Check
Influence those you can, ID the socialists in your midst.   They wear hemp beaded jewelry and smell of patchouli, check
Train, workout, get ready. If and when the time comes you won't have much time to prepare then. Check
Learn first aid skills-all of you. Check




I ain't worried about myself, it is the rest of you that worry me.  



Clarify.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 6:19:20 PM EDT
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I dont know what this "WE" shit is. You guys might get screwed. I will just continue to ignore stupid laws as I have always done.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 6:40:21 PM EDT
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I dont know what this "WE" shit is. You guys might get screwed. I will just continue to ignore stupid laws as I have always done.



More at stake then just gunrights.
What are you going to do if the popo decides to arrest you for a violation?
I know what I'd do but am curious.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:12:17 PM EDT
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How did he wipe his ass with the constitution?  He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



god where have you been under a rock.

he gave us "Campaign Finanace Reform" (pissed on the 1st amendment)
tried to ban private party sales at gun shows nation wide (pissing on 2nd amendemnt)
im sure someone while pipe in with more.



I wouldn't use "wiping his ass with the constitution", since damm near everyone in public office could be said to be doing that.

The main part is that he has screwed us on everything that has been important to us.

Off the top of my head, he really went out of his way to screw us on judges with the Gang of 14, he sponsored the Terrorist Bill of Rights, then there's Campaign Finance Reform.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:28:39 PM EDT
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I like this theory that I read over at DU sometime back. They said that if Hillary runs in 2008 it would really hurt the Dems in the House and Congress. The idea was that in the red states that still have Dem senators and reps, the Republican turnout would be so strong against Hillary that when they vote straight down the ticket the Republican candidates would be aided by the heavier turnout in those states.

Just something to think about, kind of made sense to me, might give the Republicans an even bigger majority in 2008.



Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:56:17 PM EDT
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"I like this theory that I read over at DU sometime back. They said that if Hillary runs in 2008 it would really hurt the Dems in the House and Congress. The idea was that in the red states that still have Dem senators and reps, the Republican turnout would be so strong against Hillary that when they vote straight down the ticket the Republican candidates would be aided by the heavier turnout in those states. "

That's actually a very good theory.  I'm going to disagree, because what I see is that the repubican base is going to sit out 2008 and not vote because to them Bush is screwing them over with out of control government spending and a wide open door regarding the border with Mexico.  Bush has not represented his political base, and those voters are pissed.  Pissed enough to hand the POTUS over to hitlery.

-Gator
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:58:13 PM EDT
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You guys keep saying "doom and Gloom" !?? do i have my head in the sand? What doom and gloom? what been so bad lately that makes all of you think that the pendulum will swing the other way?? gimmie a list!
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 3:03:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:23:24 PM EDT
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That's actually a very good theory.  I'm going to disagree, because what I see is that the repubican base is going to sit out 2008 and not vote because to them Bush is screwing them over with out of control government spending and a wide open door regarding the border with Mexico.  Bush has not represented his political base, and those voters are pissed.  Pissed enough to hand the POTUS over to hitlery.

-Gator



Same here.
And the elections have been close enough in recent history that it wouldn't take much.
The only thing that might get some of the conservative base to vote would be the specter of a Hildabeast Presidency.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:26:48 PM EDT
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we have been screwed since reagan.

another left wing rhino republican or a left wing nut ain't gonna make much difference. the power is in the congress.



And the courts.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:57:43 PM EDT
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If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, then the last person the GOP should put up is Condi Rice. I hate to admit it, but there are people in this country that would not vote for a black woman.  Assuming I am correct, Condi could easily throw the election to Hillary. Who the fuck wants that shit?

What we need is a relatively religious white guy (a WASP) that represents our traditional American values. He then needs to push Hilliary to the far left and paint her with the same brush Bush 41 did with Michael The Liberal Dukakis.  I hope the GOP nominee is Senator George Allen from Virginia.

Stay tuned.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:33:18 PM EDT
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I dont know what this "WE" shit is. You guys might get screwed. I will just continue to ignore stupid laws as I have always done.



More at stake then just gunrights.
What are you going to do if the popo decides to arrest you for a violation?
I know what I'd do but am curious.




Get a lawyer.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 2:50:04 PM EDT
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Well, you're not going to be much help up there in AK!

Other than that, prepare for your own survival and that of your family.   Check
Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls. Check
Influence those you can, ID the socialists in your midst.   They wear hemp beaded jewelry and smell of patchouli, check
Train, workout, get ready. If and when the time comes you won't have much time to prepare then. Check
Learn first aid skills-all of you. Check




I ain't worried about myself, it is the rest of you that worry me.  



Clarify.



I mean that gun owners have rolled over and taken it in the ass time and time again, and have smiled about it.  Most gun owners look at me funny when I mention that we should be able to walk into a store and buy a silencer, GM, SBR, SBS, whatever.  A good portion of gun owners were behind the AWB because they figured that certain guns were evil and the ban would not affect them.  

The only thing I can compare it to is "institutionalized"  the way it was used in the Shawshank Redemption, we can't even fathom functioning in a totally free state.  Not to mention the constant campaign in the media and entertainment industry to marginalize gun owners and make them look like psycho freaks, and even more so when they try and stand up for their rights.  What real evil is being done when a shotgun is cut down to less than 18"?  or a rifle barrel to less than 16"?  How about putting a stock or VFG on a pistol?  Yet I do not think that US gun owners are willing to part with such idiocy and are willing to accept more of it, like parts counts and so on.  

Link Posted: 1/8/2006 2:54:18 PM EDT
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I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs.  I get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



Of course you would think that.  All you libs think that way.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:02:45 PM EDT
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I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs.  I get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



Of course you would think that.  All you libs think that way.



That is actually true to an extent, libtards are under the impression the blacks cannot think for themselves, much less work, learn, or function with out help from the government.  They believe that the poor, dark skinned folk of the world are somehow inferior and are incapable of surviving on their own without aid of some sort.  So thus any black that does not fit in with the rank and file must be a mouthpiece, controlled by someone else, because they are incapable of considering the points for themselves.



Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:06:42 PM EDT
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Im feeling we are screwed too
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:11:02 PM EDT
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How did he wipe his ass with the constitution?  He is a Nam-vet, which is more than you can say for Bush, Cheny, or Kerry.

Ok, what about Ron Paul?



I can tell you have not spent much time in GD, or anywhere else except for a dark hole.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:14:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:14:27 PM EDT
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we could be in trouble - Democrats have a way of focusing on Gun issues. I say buy as many guns as you possible can afford and stockpile the ammo. Guns and ammom willnever be worth less than what you pay for them today.... they may look pretty good if shtf also.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:29:31 PM EDT
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we could be in trouble - Democrats have a way of focusing on Gun issues. I say buy as many guns as you possible can afford and stockpile the ammo. Guns and ammom willnever be worth less than what you pay for them today.... they may look pretty good if shtf also.



I dont think we will hear anything about gun control from them, until after they have been elected.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:35:01 PM EDT
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I don't see a problem for MANY years. I'm sure everyone has heard of the baby boomers. Well guess what theese people are doing as they are getting older? Moving south out of the liberal northern states down into the republican southern states. In otherwords reducing the electoral votes in liberal states and increasing them in republican states. It might start sucking in certain counties but at the state level they are just going to dilute themselves out of power.

Clinton is the only president in the last 25 (will be 28 at the begining of '09 when the new president takes his seat) years that was not run by Reagan and his buddies. The senate is a MUCH harder egg to crack (way to many people just vote for the incumbant), power will not change hands there for a long time.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:40:09 PM EDT
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I think we'll be OK as long as we get the Supream Court stacked the "Right" way.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:47:38 PM EDT
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Its not over till the fat lady sings
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:50:26 PM EDT
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My gut says the country will swing back to the left, on major political leaders.

I hate that, but that's my feeling.



Ever notice how the 'right' fucks it up, so the swing voters vote 'left'.. then the 'left' fucks it up, so the swing voters vote 'right', then it repeats.    Try driving a car that way...

I don't think (well I gave it a few seconds ) the country is sufficently left or right...
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:52:47 PM EDT
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Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls.



Woot! Boys don't have to be burdened with good values!  

Link Posted: 1/8/2006 4:21:01 PM EDT
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Well, you're not going to be much help up there in AK!

Other than that, prepare for your own survival and that of your family.   Check
Make self reliant men of your boys, self reliant women with good values of your girls. Check
Influence those you can, ID the socialists in your midst.   They wear hemp beaded jewelry and smell of patchouli, check
Train, workout, get ready. If and when the time comes you won't have much time to prepare then. Check
Learn first aid skills-all of you. Check




I ain't worried about myself, it is the rest of you that worry me.  



Clarify.



I mean that gun owners have rolled over and taken it in the ass time and time again, and have smiled about it.  Most gun owners look at me funny when I mention that we should be able to walk into a store and buy a silencer, GM, SBR, SBS, whatever.  A good portion of gun owners were behind the AWB because they figured that certain guns were evil and the ban would not affect them.  



I believe they honestly think sacrificing us will preserve their OUs and bolt rifles. Of course that is foolishly ignorant but that doesn't stop Gomers from thinking it.


The only thing I can compare it to is "institutionalized"  the way it was used in the Shawshank Redemption, we can't even fathom functioning in a totally free state.  Not to mention the constant campaign in the media and entertainment industry to marginalize gun owners and make them look like psycho freaks, and even more so when they try and stand up for their rights.  What real evil is being done when a shotgun is cut down to less than 18"?  or a rifle barrel to less than 16"?  How about putting a stock or VFG on a pistol?  Yet I do not think that US gun owners are willing to part with such idiocy and are willing to accept more of it, like parts counts and so on.  




The entire SBR/SBS bit is just flatout total bullshit. So I carry a handgun instead. BFD.
I will be honest and say there should probably be some difficulty in obtaining a MG but with NICS that is a totally moot point.

I had one of the docs I work with tell me that I was a "rabid gun owner" and that if they ever took away the RKBA that he would fight the gov't with his lever action. That of course would only be if they infringed on his RKB lever actions. I wonder what he thinks the bolt action guys are going to say about that? And this is an intelligent guy. That  is the stupidity we are dealing with.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 6:05:46 PM EDT
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I dunno, I get the impression that Condilizzard is really just a mouth piece, and an 'equal opportunity' play for the Repbs.  I get the feeling, when I look at her, that she is just plain fake.



Of course you would think that.  All you libs think that way.

Libs just cannot visualise a world where blacks actually get ahead by using their brains instead of a handout or an atta boy from Massa (big govt now). The Dems are still the same slave owners they have always been.
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