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Posted: 1/5/2006 10:23:32 PM EDT
Someone at work lent it to me tonight.
The thing I came away with was ,Don't vacation in brazil, and they can't shoot worth a damn
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:41:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 4:28:15 AM EDT by SST7Alumni]
You are making stupid assumptions -

a) the movie (one of the best Brazilian films to date) was a portrayal of 70's drug culture in Rio

b) whether you go to Brazil or not is your choice, however you will be hard-pressed to find another country where Americans are more liked or better treated.

c) although there parts of Rio and Sao Paulo that are dangerous and should be avoided (i.e. the "favelas" - slums/shantytowns), saying that people should avoid the country is like saying that tourists should avoid the US because of Compton, Watts, the Bronx, downtown Detroit, Chicago, or Denver, N. Las Vegas, D.C., etc., etc.

d) saying that Brazilians can't shoot for crap because of what you saw in a movie, is just as absurd as foreigners who think that ALL American women are blond and silicon enhanced.

I lived there for 4.5 years, so what do I know.

YMMV

ETA for poor choice in words
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:44:10 PM EDT
Dude relax, it's just a movie I am commenting on
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:47:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Dude relax, it's just a movie I am commenting on



Hey, where does it say we have to wait until page 2 to turn a thread into a pissing contest?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:49:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Dude relax, it's just a movie I am commenting on



Hey, where does it say we have to wait until page 2 to turn a thread into a pissing contest?



No shit. Gotta start it off early so we dont have to wade through 6 pages before it gets good.


But yeah, I agree, its a damn movie "review"
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:49:51 PM EDT
that was a good flick.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:50:40 PM EDT
That was in the favelas man. That's like someone watching Boyz n the Hood and thinking the entire US was like Compton. Brazil is wonderful.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:53:04 PM EDT
Sometimes you just can't win
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:05:43 PM EDT
No pissing here...

Just a friendly FYI -

great food
awesome beaches
friendly people ie Calor Humano

besides, how many other countries do you know of that think they invented the airplane? (not an argument you want to get into)


sst7
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:20:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 11:37:20 PM EDT
Great movie. It won some art-house awards, so I thought it was going to be about gay cowboys eating pudding, but it turned out to be a damned good movie.

I spent a few months in Jundai and Sao Paulo, and I am happy to report that neither was anything like in the movie. Well, parts of Sao Paulo reminded me of Detroit, but Jundai was one of the nicer cities I have been to.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:55:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SST7Alumni:


I lived there for 4.5 years, so what do I know.

YMMV



I ate in a restaurant called Mariu's (IIRC) in Rio. Have you been there? It was a carnivore's paradise. Waiters walking around with big skewers of meat and they'd carve it onto your plate until you let them know that's enough.

I almost needed to rent a forklift to take me back to the hotel.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:19:31 AM EDT
I've read the book. The original one from the 5th century. The movie is nothing like the book.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:05:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 4:09:07 AM EDT by Jarhead_22]
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:06:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
I ate in a restaurant called Mariu's (IIRC) in Rio. Have you been there? It was a carnivore's paradise. Waiters walking around with big skewers of meat and they'd carve it onto your plate until you let them know that's enough.

I almost needed to rent a forklift to take me back to the hotel.



I can't say that I have - those BBQ restaurants are called "churrascarias", fazer churrasco means to barbecue. When they carry the meat around till you are done it is called rodizio.

FYI - there are various Brazilian style "churrascarias" in the U.S.:Colorado, California, Georgia, Texas, Utah, etc. As far as chains go Fogo de Chao is good, but there are many independently owned good ones as well.

sst7
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:08:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gaweidert:
I've read the book. The original one from the 5th century. The movie is nothing like the book.



Yeah. St. Augustine ROCKS!!!! lol
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:24:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 4:26:24 AM EDT by SST7Alumni]

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I haven't seen the movie, but I recently spent two days in one of Sao Paulo's roughest favelas, on the job. The cops I met there ride around in their cars with their sidearms in their hands, to be ready instantly to respond to ambushes. The first day I was there I heard a very short exchange of gunfire about 100m away.

This place is a shantytown of the most amazing variety. Little shacks made of tin, road signs, cardboard, etc, all stacked on top of one another four and five high with bootlegged electricity coming off of any nearby pole-mounted transformer. There was a ditch running through the place being used as an open-air sewer, so the place reeked of shit and rotting food. The people who live there don't own or even rent the land they occupy; they're squatters, and the socialist president of Brazil isn't doing anything to keep more and more people from moving from the country to the city with nothing and adding to the problem. These places encroach on private property, parks and any other patches of open land to be found. After they get their halfassed shack established, the people eventually replace the walls with brick and mortar and they're there for good.

Some of them are run as fiefdoms by drug gangs, and even fire and ambulance crews make a phone call for permission before they head in to answer an alarm.

radio.weblogs.com/0108104/images/2003/01/08/favela.jpg

www.brazilian.org.uk/news/award/pics/favela.jpg



Very accurate analysis, except that occasionally the .gov does demolish favelas - I saw it happen in Sao Bernardo do Campo, SP. Some favelas likely have the highest population density in the world. Some favelas are so big that it is like you are in a whole other world, like you are walking through Gotham or something - very surreal. In the past I spent a lot of time in favelas and had many unique experiences, however when I go to Brazil now favelas are nowhere on my itinerary.

*I am not endorsing or recommending that anyone purposely go visit or tour favelas, (I know that in Rio you can take guided tours) anymore than I would recomend you take a walk through select neighborhoods in S. Central LA, etc. There are plenty of nice places and nice people in Brazil - there is no reason to take unnecessary risks.

sst7
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 6:13:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:43:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:

Originally Posted By SST7Alumni:
Very accurate analysis, except that occasionally the .gov does demolish favelas - I saw it happen in Sao Bernardo do Campo, SP.


When the government demolishes a squatter shantytown, what do they do with the people? Do they send them back where they came from, or do they make some accomodation for them --find them a place to live on the government dime? If the latter, then they are still encouraging rural to urban migration and squatting. If they reward the behavior, they get more of it.



AFAIK re Sao Bernardo, the .gov gave them nothing - the squatters had built (in this case mostly real houses) right near the source of the city's water supply. I know that the .gov has done several projects, one the city of SP did called Projeto Cingapura (Project Singapore) where the favela residents actually built their future apartment buildings (doing the unskilled labor) I don't know if they were living in temporary housing (tents, etc.) at the time or if they built the apartments prior to the favela being demolished.

As long as there is no REAL rural development initiative, the urban migration and favelas will continue.

sst7
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