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Posted: 1/5/2006 10:03:50 PM EDT
Like the title said. Was this like the greatest term after "tactical" became a fashionable word?
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It's not a blanket-term for all soldiers and policemen, only high-speed/low-drag guys such as SEALs, SF, SWAT and that kinda stuff.
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last 3-5 years and i think it is dumb
" I would like to make a collect call please operator " |
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I've always thought it sounds stupid, myself. And when did this "Hoooaah" thing get started in the Army? Hell, when I was in, if you went around going "HOOOAAHHHH!!!!" all the time, everybody in the unit would look at you like you were some kind of whacko.
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IIRC, it has to do with some farking legalities as for example they can't be called agents.
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When a term gets overused, you can almost always blame marketing.
This is no exception. |
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For years and years it was used by the "Delta" types and nobody else. Then a few books on the subject got published and the term became common knowledge, and suddenly every SWAT cop started calling themselves "operators" trying to be cool.
I haven't heard anyone in the military use it in some time however.... and it does now get a laugh from me whenever I hear some part-time swat cop refer to himself as an "operator". I guess its like "civilian", misuse it untill the new use becomes common knowledge............. |
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it was probably started by colt/hk kool aid drinking magpul brand whore freaks who wanted to feel like they were important
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No matter how you put it, SWAT cops and cops in general are still civilians. I think its funny when they try to act like theyre above the rest. |
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Did you wake up with your panties in a wad or did you adjust them that way? |
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Haha, Im glad you took offense. Someday when I retire from the MILITARY I will join a CIVILIAN police force like yours. |
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yeah hate to break it to ya bub, but cops are just regular citizens with arrest powers and issued weapons.
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Really? I had no idea I was a civilian until you guys pointed it out. Thanks alot. And BTW I am also still serving in the military, almost 17 years. Which is where the nickname came from, not from civilian LE if that is a thought you might have had.
LE is not just like civilan contrary to you tin hatters. You don't call your neighbor when you get robbed or getting beat up you call us. We are held to a higher standard and responsibility... Ah fuck it. I am just wasting my breath here. But I do think that civies should be able to own the same toys we do if that matters any. I just also know why LE thinks the way it does from the inside. That's my main point. Oh and TRH, if we were just "regular citizens" we wouldn't have arrest powers and issued weapons now would we? |
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Agents is for FLEO. Cop is for LEO. Soldier is for the military. Operator is for security contractors. Or just use "hey you" for any and all :)
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What a nice steaming pile of shit your fingers painted with your keyboard. - rem |
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I'm sure you're a great guy and everything, but I have to take issue with this. I'm not saying that being an LEO is "like" a civilian, I'm saying they ARE civilians. They are not subject to the UCMJ, therefore they are civilians. This is not an insult, nor does it diminish their role. If I'm getting robbed or beat up, I call the police AFTER the agressor is imobilized in some manner. I'd just as soon not call them at all. They are civilians. If my house is on fire, I call the fire department. They are held to a higher standard, and shoulder a huge responsibility. They are civilians. If I'm seriously wounded, I call a paramedic. They are held to a higher standard, and shoulder a huge responsibility. They are civilians. If my children are uneducated, I seek a teacher. They are held to a higher standard, and shoulder a huge responsibility. They are civilians. If my freedom is at stake, my country calls on our armed forces. They are held to the HIGHEST standard, and shoulder the biggest responsibility. They are not tried in the same courts, they do not serve time in the same prisons, they are not subject to the same laws, and their personal sacrifice is without equal. They are Soldiers. They are Marines. They are protectors of my freedom. They are NOT civilians. |
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+1. If doctors were just "regular citizens" they wouldn't be able to practice medicine or prescribe medication now, would they? I can go on and on. I never figured out why some cops get so bent out of shape over this. Sheesh. |
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Whenever a cop takes issue with being called a civilian, I wonder what lesser meaning they assign to the word.
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In Texas, civilians can arrest others for misdemeanor offenses such as theft & disturbing the peace. |
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Put that on a bumper sticker & I'll buy it. |
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Operator.
Oh, could you help me place this call? See the number on the matchbook is old and faded. She's living in LA. With my best old ex-friend Ray. Guy she said she knew, well and sometimes hated. Isn't that the way they say it goes? Well lets forget all that and give me the number if you can find it so I can call just to tell them I'm fine and to show I've overcome the blow. I've learned to take it well. I only wish my words could just convince myself. That it just wasn't real but that's not the way it feels. Operator. Oh, could you help me place this call. Cause I can't read the number that you just gave me. There's something in my eye's. You know it happens every time I think about the love that I thought would save me. (Chorus) No, no, no, no. That's not the way it feels. Operator. Well, lets forget about this call. There's no one there I really wanted to talk to. Thank you for your time. Oh, you've been so much more than kind. And you can keep the dime. (Chorus) |
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In Florida unsworn citizens can arrest each other for any felony or for misdemeanors committed in their presence. They just have to be right, gov't employees having exclusive license to make boneheaded errors in those areas without fear of personal civil liability. In a way, the definition of LEO in Florida is "A person authorized to make retarded decisions without personal responsibility for damages." |
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Actually, I misstated the law. It reads "any person." I guess that means, while visitng Texas, you could arrest someone for theft too. |
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Hello operator can you give me number nine? can i see you later? will you give me back my dime? turn the oscillator twist it with a dollar bill mail man bring the paper leave it on my window sill Find a canary a bird to bring my message home carry my obituary my coffin doesnt have a phone how you gonna get the money? send papers to an empty home? how you gonna get the money? nobody to answer the phone ETA: I hate it when police call us civilians. Some seem to think that they are just prison guards with a bigger facility or something, and that everyone is beneath them. I ain't never met a cop that was any more human than I am. |
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+1 I would say the answer to the original question is when SWAT members started to look like military units. Remember in the old days where the movies show SWAT teams in a large meat wagon / paddy wagon arriving on the scene with ballistic vests and maybe helmets (mostly black ball caps), and MAYBE a M16/AR? Nowadays they'll arrive on the scene with headsets, NVGs, PASGT helmets, Level IIIA armor, HK G36s, HK MP5s, and M113s. |
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This thread makes baby Jesus sad...
Hello--how are you Have you been alright, through all those lonely nights, That’s what I’d say, I’d tell you everything, If you’d pick up that telephone. Hey--how you feelin’ Are you still the same Don’t you realize the things we did were all for real not a dream, I just can’t believe They’ve all faded out of view. I look into the sky (the love you need ain’t gonna see you through.) And I wonder why (the little things are finally coming true.) Chorus Telephone line, give me some time, I’m living in twilight Telephone line, give me some time, I’m living in twilight O.k. so no--one’s answering, Well can’t you just let it ring a little longer I’ll just sit tight, through the shadows of the night Let it ring for evermore. |
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Police officers are civilians by legal definition. Period. |
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+1 Ownage. |
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Hijack! I don't call the cops when I'm being robbed or beaten up. I call them to come out and pick up the dead bodies after someone's attempted such a thing. The cops will never get there in time to be of any help whatsoever if I'm being beaten up or robbed. End of hijack! Heck, I generally don't call anyone an operator, except those guys who wear the plantronics headsets attached to the radios and electronics things. Those guys kind of look like Judy, the Time-Life Operator. ETA pic |
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Let's all be operators this month. January is arfcom operator month. I think that's all it takes to be one - just call yourself one.
82ndAbn Operator Arfcom Tactical Applications Group Moderator |
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that IS funny! "what to put inside empty pouches" |
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This usage of the word "operator" had its origins within the (at one time) highly classified world of units the US government does not or did not acknowledge the existence of (Delta, Team Six, etc...). A certain language developed organically to refer to the people places and things within that highly specialized world. As folks left those units and went into the "civilized" world and tried to make a living off of the enormous skillset they aquired, certain aspects of that language leaked out to the wider world. Then it was only a matter of time before people began to abuse the word until it becomes a charicature of its former self. It is always a chucke to be around some gunshow attender who manages to cram dozens of "tactical buzz words" into every sentence, believing, I guess, that these will make him sound more competent than he is. Within every profession there is a language unique to it. Try talking to a Doctor on a Doctor's level sometime. There is a lingo that those outside the profession do not know and understand. The same is true of the profession of arms. This language leaks out to the wider world from time to time, but the professionals don't pay much attention to it. Why did the word "operator" come into use describing a person involved in a team with CQB training and missions? Lots of theories exist. My personal favorite is the one I overheard somewhere: "They call us operators because we can connect you to Jesus..." |
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If you can't look down and see your toes or your penis, you don't qualify as "tactical" or an "operator". Running around in all that "gear" does, however, qualify someone for instant dork status. I enjoy playing PC games to unwind but the sad part is that some people believe that because they have played them, that now they are "in the know". They augment their video game knowledge by playing with plastic guns that shoot BBs (another fun toy that has been blown WAAAAY out of proportion) and then thinking they are "training", as opposed to being a bunch of idiots shooting each other with plastic BBs in the woods. |
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Its funny, we have never called our guys operators. We call them the team. Why you ask? Simple, they are trained and function as a team. It therefore seams logical to call them the team. The term operator however is regularly used in gear and gadget magazines by savvy marketing types who want to booste egos and sell more gear that they will likely never use. How much junk can you actually hang off the rifle until it actually gets in the way?
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I would also like to point out that when I call 911, I am not calling the police, but an emergency OPERATOR. Police are like janitors except they try and figure out who is to blame for the mess. |
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I thought all beat cops referred to the department SWAT/SRT/ESU/WHATEVER team as: "Those sonsab*tches who get all the cool toys and the huge budget..."
Nothing beats taking a carbine, a weapon designed to be light and handy, and hanging 20 pounds of sh*t all over it. |
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Heheheh. I loved that one, too! How about "How to: Make Cordura look 'Used!'" |
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I alway got a kick out of that pic. Lets take the 240 gunner out of action doing a buddy carry while the slow fat kid with an M4 pulls security. Thats all I have to contribute. |
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I would say it became popular about the time when law enforcement reffers to the public at large as "civilians"...
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