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Posted: 1/5/2006 8:38:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 8:39:14 AM EDT by ixy]
Washington Times
PARIS -- A gang of more than 20 youths -- thought to be North African immigrants -- terrorized hundreds of train passengers in a rampage of violence, robbery and sexual assault on New Year's Day, French officials said yesterday.
The five-hour-long criminal frenzy was "totally unacceptable," French President Jacques Chirac told reporters. "Those guilty will be found and punished, as they deserve."
The gang of between 20 and 30 youths boarded the train, heading from Nice on the French Riviera to Lyon, in eastern France, early on Jan. 1, as it carried 600 passengers home from New Year's Eve partying overnight.
Once inside, they went wild, forcing passengers to hand over mobile phones and wallets, and slashing seats and breaking windows.
A 20-year-old woman cornered by several of the marauders was sexually molested.
"It was a real scene of pillage on the train," said the regional state prosecutor, Dominique Luigi, adding that the passengers were in a state of "panic."
Train staff alerted police, and the train pulled into a station to wait. The three officers who initially turned up later were joined by reinforcements.
A waitress in a bar near the station said two young women from the train had come inside in tears.
"They told me there had been groping. They talked about sexual assaults. They were really traumatized," she said.
The train resumed its journey with the heavy police presence on board but, just before Marseille, the youths pulled the emergency stop and many escaped.
Only three -- two 19-year-old Moroccans and a minor, all living in France -- were arrested. Both men were being held for robbery and one also was facing charges of sexual assault. The minor was to be judged separately.
Three others -- a man and two boys -- were arrested briefly in Marseille but were released despite reports they were carrying a knife, a screwdriver and a small amount of hashish. Police in Nice, meanwhile, said they had escorted the group of drunken youths and put them on the train Sunday to ensure they did not cause trouble in the city.
Police said they thought the gang was part of a bigger group of 100 youths from the Marseille area who had gone to Nice and nearby seaside resorts for New Year's Eve, taking advantage of a special $1 New Year's Day train fare.
News of the violence shocked France, which still was reeling from three weeks of rioting that flared in impoverished suburbs across the country in late October and early November last year.
The opposition Socialist Party said it viewed the incident with "astonishment."
It said "such acts show a worrying lack of security" and questioned why it took so long for police to rescue the passengers and why so few arrests were made.
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who has championed hard-line security policies in France, partly blamed the state rail company SNCF for not communicating better with the police.
"The problem is that law-enforcement services didn't know that there was a promotional fare going," he said
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:42:28 AM EDT
I'm suprised there were 20 youths left to cause mayhem after the "severe repercussions" from the riots.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:43:25 AM EDT
You reap what you sew.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:43:54 AM EDT



French Riots Part Deux. Let's see if this one is better than the first.


Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:47:54 AM EDT
Has Chirac formally surrendered yet?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:48:19 AM EDT
He's probably blamed Bush again
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:49:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 8:51:34 AM EDT by ClayP]


This is why stuff like that doesn't happen here:

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:50:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
You reap what you sew.


Is there a quilting bee somewhere?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:50:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
I'm suprised there were 20 youths left to cause mayhem after the "severe repercussions" from the riots.



And therein is the problem.

They were able to burn Paris and the French government wanted to "negotiate" with them. Why shouldn't they expect that every violent action they take will be met with the same limp-wristed impotence?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:52:28 AM EDT
What took the french so long to figure this out. They did this in NYC in the 80's, it was called "wilding"
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:53:11 AM EDT
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:53:25 AM EDT
Snakes on a train.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:58:26 AM EDT
The Camp of the Saints by Raspail.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:58:51 AM EDT

as usual, people are "stunned" and "astonished". do they live in some kind of perpetual fantasy world or something?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:59:48 AM EDT
Let me get this straight. There were 20 "north africans" on the train and 600 passengers??? The French really are pussies. You would think that a few of the french "men" would have stood up and at least attempted to stop it. Guess not.

I know that sh!t wouldn't fly over here.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:59:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.



Just one round for each? Sure, properly placed it should do, but don't we want to make really sure?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:06:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By James23:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.



Just one round for each? Sure, properly placed it should do, but don't we want to make really sure?



10mm
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:07:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:
Let me get this straight. There were 20 "north africans" on the train and 600 passengers??? The French really are pussies. You would think that a few of the french "men" would have stood up and at least attempted to stop it. Guess not.



The 20 attackers have no problem using violence to achieve their goals, or just for fun. Good guys aren't violent thugs.



I know that sh!t wouldn't fly over here.



Yes it would. The average person is not going to respond to that kind of violence with violence.

Only a small percentage of people in this nation are prepared to use violent or even lethal force to defend themselves, and the libbies are working damn hard to reduce that number even further.

Release the rapists! Hug the robber! But jail anyone without a criminal record who dares to carry a gun to defend themselves!

That's the ACLU motto.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:14:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

Originally Posted By James23:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.



Just one round for each? Sure, properly placed it should do, but don't we want to make really sure?



10mm





I was going to say (I also counted ):


.45 Condition 1 with a 8rnd mag (47D?)

Reload with another 8rnd mag.


Same package in a 10mm?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:28:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Yes it would. The average person is not going to respond to that kind of violence with violence.

Only a small percentage of people in this nation are prepared to use violent or even lethal force to defend themselves, and the libbies are working damn hard to reduce that number even further.
.



Sad, but true. I was confronted by a robber in college and he seemed surprise when i produced an ASP baton and proceeded to beat the shit out of him.

He even tried to get the cops to arrest me for defending myself.

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:30:45 AM EDT
The Jihad is back.

The question is whether France can produce another Charles Martel equal to the task.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:04:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:
Let me get this straight. There were 20 "north africans" on the train and 600 passengers??? The French really are pussies. You would think that a few of the french "men" would have stood up and at least attempted to stop it. Guess not.

I know that sh!t wouldn't fly over here.


After 9-11, who knows. The guys on the trains apparently had some sort of improvised weapons they threatened the passengers with.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:10:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

Originally Posted By James23:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.



Just one round for each? Sure, properly placed it should do, but don't we want to make really sure?



10mm



Couldn't be 10mm. 10mm down a narrow train aisle and you can cut your bangs by at least one third. 9mm and you have to go back to the baggage car for another case.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:23:12 AM EDT
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:25:30 AM EDT
Expect these type of news items to be seen more and more frequently. The population demographics are changing quickly in Europe and Australia with a mass migration of muslims moving in.

Here we have loads of Mexicans and everyone else moving in, so we will see more and more problems also.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:26:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:
Let me get this straight. There were 20 "north africans" on the train and 600 passengers??? The French really are pussies. You would think that a few of the french "men" would have stood up and at least attempted to stop it. Guess not.

I know that sh!t wouldn't fly over here.



I will be happy to see how you manage in your Country to put 20 young thieves in one wagon with 600 passengers.

It will be easier to put, say something like 20 thieves and 50 passengers. Tactically speaking it’s slightly different.

And for what we know here, they were 100, and not 20. May be the Washington times has better sources than we have here.


Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:29:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:29:41 AM EDT
The pre-train meeting no doubt:



Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:30:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



Get rid of the immigrants......by any means required!


France did this to itself.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:34:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
You reap what you sew.



Sow.

'Sew' is to use thread and cloth to produce textiles or other items. 'Sow' is to plant seeds.

;)

And you're right... They will reap the whirlwind. Europe, I beleive, is in for a shitstorm.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:35:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



a nice cleansing civil war
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:36:04 AM EDT
Whitey had it coming. Whitey always has it coming.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:42:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



Get rid of the immigrants......by any means required!


France did this to itself.



Probably too late. Believe the Muslim population in France is high enough to preclude election of a French leader with a spine.

John, I'm afraid your country is beyond repair. Might as well get out before the land values collapse.

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:43:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
Washington Times
PARIS -- A gang of more than 20 youths -- thought to be North African immigrants -- terrorized hundreds of train passengers in a rampage of violence, robbery and sexual assault on New Year's Day, French officials said yesterday.




Say it with me:

There is not an elephant in the room.
There is not an elephant in the room.
There is not an elephant in the room.


There now, don't you feel better?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:51:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:57:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Get rid of the immigrants......by any means required!
France did this to itself.



Where do you propose sending them to? Many of these immigrants started out as residents of former French holdings, and when the colony was granted self-rule, promises were made to allow anyone who wished to do so to come to France. You propose that France should go back on that promise?

More realistically, France and the rest of Europe needs to take the kid gloves off on their handling of criminal behavior . They criticize us for the number of Americans we incarcerate, but realistically, they are below the number of their citizens that should be behind bars.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:19:28 PM EDT
Just caught this on Drudge.

DANG.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:20:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Yes it would. The average person is not going to respond to that kind of violence with violence.

Only a small percentage of people in this nation are prepared to use violent or even lethal force to defend themselves, and the libbies are working damn hard to reduce that number even further.
.



Sad, but true. I was confronted by a robber in college and he seemed surprise when i produced an ASP baton and proceeded to beat the shit out of him.

He even tried to get the cops to arrest me for defending myself.




Had some guy on campus declare that he was going to beat the shit out of me and actually go looking for me door to door and threatened anyone who knew me if they didn't tell him which room was mine. None of them did and he shoved a few around (only the ones who were alone at the time, natch) before stomping off trying to find me.

I wandered down to where some of them were hanging out and found out about this and told them I wasn't overly worried. I'm not in the best of shape and he's apparently on the football team. Nobody could understand why I wasn't worried about a confrontation until one said, "wait- he's always got a shitload of huge knives on him!" I figured from the guy's behavior that he was a pussy at heart, like most bullies, and would back down if he realized I was dead serious if he actually tried to hurt me. The next day we ran into each other and I called his bluff. Didn't even have to threaten him, show him a knife, or anything. I just told him to go screw himself and whatever his problem was he could get over it. He tried some tough talk, I told him he was full of shit and walked off. Never heard from him after somebody told him that I always keep a weapon handy for self-defense.

I'd much rather walk away from a confrontation like that than escalate it and I'm glad it turned out the way it did. If he had tried to attack me I'd have pulled a knife and told him to back off. If that didn't deter him... Well, that's why I have a knife, isn't it. Still don't know what I did to piss him off so much.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:20:48 PM EDT
Anyone taking bets on how many pages before the lock?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:22:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

Originally Posted By James23:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Drops empty mag. Reload.

Bang, bang, bang.

Scans area, reholsters weapon.



Just one round for each? Sure, properly placed it should do, but don't we want to make really sure?



10mm



Couldn't be 10mm. 10mm down a narrow train aisle and you can cut your bangs by at least one third. 9mm and you have to go back to the baggage car for another case.



Sig 220 .45ACP
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:30:30 PM EDT

News of the violence shocked France


It shouldn't.

Maybe that's the First Lesson.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:31:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By geerhed:

News of the violence shocked France


It shouldn't.

Maybe that's the First Lesson.





Have I told you how much I hate the french?


Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:37:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 12:48:55 PM EDT by cnow]
I for one know that if this stuff happens around me, especially the stuff on the other topics that have been locked today, I will put an end to it. Let these rapists bring their satanic religious practice of rape into my town .... they will find out that it wont fly, no matter what the supposed "law" says.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:39:09 PM EDT
I'm sure this will be blamed on the influence of American pop culture....
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:53:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 12:54:59 PM EDT by rjay]

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



Even the little 2" pocket knife I always have in my pocket will easily reach a carotid just below and behind the ear. You would just not go waving it about like it was a machete. You would not want your assailant to know you had it until it bit him. I would not stand by and let my wife be assaulted. I might get killed but I would die like a man.

I have also come up with a ploy to put the an assailant less on guard. I would be saying things like "Please don't hurt me" " I'll do whatever you want", etc. Even in the event of a home invasion I am going to do this. The perps will be so amazed when the lead starts flying.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 12:59:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:

The five-hour-long criminal frenzy was "totally unacceptable," French President Jacques Chirac told reporters.



Those are some really harsh words. They MIGHT hurt the young immigrants feelings!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:04:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



20 attackers vs HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON TRAIN.

We shouldn't have to spell this out.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:04:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



I hate to admit this on ARFCOM, but one of my favorite people in the world is a Frenchman. Fred Perrin (inventor of the "La Griffe" style of knife). If you all a little like him, there would not be too many problems.

There are many solutions, unleashing the army, letting the cops do crowd control with real guns, CCW, etc. The problem is that your .gov needs to realize that they need a solution that does not involve mediation. You are being invaded/overrun, not with people necessarily, but with an idea, that everything not Muslim is inferior and needs to be destroyed. This is something that cannot be negotiated with, and thus needs to be dealt with in kind.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:12:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
Anyone taking bets on how many pages before the lock?



Mine with not too dissimilar content didn't make one page ?!?!? I'm kinda new and was surprised.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:14:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rjay:

Originally Posted By JohnParis:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
I love the French!


Bunch of Pussies.



no CCW here.

If you have one solution to deal with such a situation, let us know.



Even the little 2" pocket knife I always have in my pocket will easily reach a carotid just below and behind the ear. You would just not go waving it about like it was a machete. You would not want your assailant to know you had it until it bit him. I would not stand by and let my wife be assaulted. I might get killed but I would die like a man.

I have also come up with a ploy to put the an assailant less on guard. I would be saying things like "Please don't hurt me" " I'll do whatever you want", etc. Even in the event of a home invasion I am going to do this. The perps will be so amazed when the lead starts flying.



+1, this being why sometimes I like to carry a knife (or better ) at the back of my right hip, where my wallet would be. That way, if they want my wallet, I can pull the "ok, ok, let me get my wallet" trick or if they're threatening me, I can pretend I'm going to pay them off if they'll just leave me alone. Nice to know I'm not the only one with a deviant mind
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:25:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:

I hate to admit this on ARFCOM, but one of my favorite people in the world is a Frenchman. Fred Perrin (inventor of the "La Griffe" style of knife). If you all a little like him, there would not be too many problems.



I really don’t know what the hell you’re talking about…




BTW I know there are solutions for our Country. But no political will to do what we have to.

I was talking about this particular situation, nothing else.
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