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Posted: 1/5/2006 7:41:49 AM EDT
Specifically those in Baltimore flying to Dallas.

How the fuck did you spittle-brained fuck-wits ever figure out how to get to the airport? Just because your two fucking huge carry-on bags barely fit in that emasculating contraption known as a mini-van does not mean they will fit in the overhead compartment. You bunch vacuum brained oxygen thieves. The airline provided a little device to see if your bag can fit into the overhead. Maybe they should have had an IQ test to see if you are fit to be out in public before they gave you the complex luggage test. Just because the space between your ears is empty doesn't mean the really fucking full plane will have empty space in the overhead compartment. You drooling mindless masses aspiring to be zombies, need to take a six week course on how to count to two. Two, I realize is a large number, but with help and my tax dollars you can learn. I bet you voted for John F. Kerry. You may take TWO carry-on bags, count them, one-two, one for the overhead and one to put under the seat in front of you as an uncomfortable punishment for being too stupid or too much of a control freak to check your baggage. If you put the second carry-on in the overhead, you are transferring the punishment to somebody else and have missed a valuable learning experience which you obviously need. Maybe the lack of genes for critical thinking enabled the sperm that created you to swim faster.

And you, the dimwit who decided to try to turn around and find an overhead space that you passed by because your 5 foot 6 inch tall acoustic guitar won't fit into the overhead above your seat. Just what the fuck were you thinking trying to walk through a crowd of people in a 2 foot aisle with an acoustic guitar? Did you not see the size of their gigantic asses and your gigantic ass and perform the mental calculation that it would create problems. I know you are stupid, I just underestimated how colossally fucking stupid you could be. At least a rock would have remained stationary and not caused problems, but you did not even live up to the expectations of a rock. And as for the guitar, well, no shit it won't fit. I realize you were not burdened with an abundance of learning and reasoning skills, but any three-year old should figure this one out, brain damaged or otherwise. Could you not tell by the gigantic fucking crowd trying to get on the airplane that the flight was really fucking full. When you were born, perhaps the doctor should have dropped you a second time to knock some sense into you. Sit the fuck down and wait for a stewardess to solve the problem for you. Hopefully she will snap and bash you over head with your guitar.

When I become overlord of the airline industry, I will remove the restrictions on stewardesses having tasers and hand cannons just so they can effectively deal with neuron free individuals.

And to the lard ass that sat next to me. Being fat was rude. Being really fat was really rude. Sitting in the middle was gigantically fucking rude. Sitting with your elbows locked at your side and adding to your girth was megalomaniacally fucking rude. Wearing the parka to boot was pure evil genius.

Too all you fuck-wits that wouldn't sit the fuck down and made me 2 minutes late for my connection in Dallas, may your own personal hell be as hellish as the one you create for everybody else.


(I henceforth renew my new year's resolution to reduce my swearing)


PS: Kudos to the Dallas to Tucson aircrew for moving all of the military guys to the open first class seats.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:46:17 AM EDT
Dude, try decaf.

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But I have to agree with you, people+ airplane= moron
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:47:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:
PS: Kudos to the Dallas to Tucson aircrew for moving all of the military guys to the open first class seats.



Well at least something nice did come of it...
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:50:18 AM EDT
We let Baltimore people into Dallas!?!

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:55:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:58:17 AM EDT
My rant of flying is more to the airlines than the passengers. Sorry, we're not passengers any more, are we? We're self-loading cargo.

There was a time, once, when flying was a pleasure. A trip filled with excitement and pampering. It was an event. People used to even put on good clothes to go on an airplane. It wasn't that long ago, I'm only 30 and I remember it. You were served free drinks, free meals, and watched free movies. If a 'plane was delayed, it was a matter of major dent of pride for the airline. Not 'normal attrition in the course of business.' Nowadays you only get soft drinks for free, and only on some airlines. The meal is now a packet of pretzels, or maybe you pick up a brown bag at the jetway with a sandwich, apple, and packet of Capri-Sun. A rental fee of $5 for a headset, to watch an edited movie on a small screen with horrible background noise. You have to take off half of your frumpy clothes at the security checkpoint. It's now a chore that other modes of transport are luring people away from again.

What I find particularly amusing is that it's mainly the domestic routes that do this. Take a trans-oceanic flight, and suddenly you get meals, free movies, drinks. It's because the domestic airlines realise that the rest of the world's airlines still treat their passengers as guests, and need to compete.

Oh well.

NTM
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:58:45 AM EDT
Trains are too few, too expensive and too difficult for the moron class to take- so, you sit next to them in airplanes now.

And they aren't going away soon....
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:01:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By st0newall:
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Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:02:24 AM EDT
man, i thought flying in the belly of a frigging c-130 through a humongous storm was bad until i flew in a civvie jet a couple years ago...things have definitely changed and not for the better. stews are no longer hostesses of the sky; they are more reminiscent of those japanese station masters you see jamming train riders into the cars like cattle. they really do need cattle prods and pepper spray.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:03:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:
Sit the fuck down and wait for a stewardess to solve the problem for you. Hopefully she will snap and bash you over head with your guitar.



They will get pissed if you call them " stewardess"........it's "flight attendant" now.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:07:13 AM EDT
I hate that carry on excess too. I see people with who only check in one bag and then bring their huge carry on aboard the aircraft. Why don't you check both bags, you twit?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:08:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 8:08:31 AM EDT by TPS-Report]
when i am boarding my flight and have taken a seat i am always watching the incoming passengers and praying i don't get the fat person in the empty seat next to me.

do really really fat people have to pay for two seats? this is a serious question.

edit for grammmmmmaaAr
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:11:19 AM EDT
I try not to check any bags because they lose my bags and it's nice to have my own stuff when they cancel my flights and I need to spend the night somewhere in a hotel...
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:12:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TPS-Report:

do really really fat people have to pay for two seats? this is a serious question.




Depends on airline policy. As you can imagine, it's already been to court, and the courts seem to have sided with the airlines on the matter.

NTM
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:13:12 AM EDT
not quite the so called "McUzi rant," but that is pretty damn close

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:17:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:
Trains are too few, too expensive and too difficult for the moron class to take- so, you sit next to them in airplanes now.

And they aren't going away soon....



I wonder what the cost of a bus ticket has to be to get some of the asshats to get off the airlines?

Having single whale in the middle seat is nowhere near as bad as being in the middle with one on each side, both so huge that they are slowly asphyxiating me. I had to stand up in the back with the flight attendents for a flight to Seattle one day because there wasn't enough room to sit in the middle.

Probably a market opportunity there; I'm thinking converted freight trailers with recycled church pews for seats and a big screen tv to distract the produce (wait, that's not right) passengers. The neat part is, the driver doesn't have to interact with the herd in back.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:20:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jvic:
I try not to check any bags because they lose my bags and it's nice to have my own stuff when they cancel my flights and I need to spend the night somewhere in a hotel...



That and it saves time upon both departure and arrival. I check in online and print my own boarding pass and use only carry-on friendly luggage (if possible). This lets me go straight to security for departure and straight out of the terminal after arrival. Saves 20-60 minutes per trip, depending on how crowded it is.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:25:17 AM EDT
And people wonder why I don't fly.

B
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:28:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:
Probably a market opportunity there; I'm thinking converted freight trailers with recycled church pews for seats and a big screen tv to distract the produce (wait, that's not right) passengers. The neat part is, the driver doesn't have to interact with the herd in back.


don't blow that off as a joke dude! i've often thought that bench seats, padded, and ergonomic, would make a helluva lot more sense. fuck seatbelts man, seriously, what good is it gonna do you when that 5000 gallon gas tank goes up? or you go screaming into the ocean from 35,000 ft??? "ladies and gentlemen, at this time please notice the pilot has activated the seatbelt sign. please pry yourself off the ceiling and return your table to it's upright position after you pry it out of the bulkhead..."

and they just need to get rid of carry-on baggage! everything goes in the frigging hold if you can't carry it in your frigging pockets.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:37:03 AM EDT
ghengiskhabb - You, sir, are one of my new heroes, a veritable "point of light"!!! I'm sure you have other talents, but you made my short list mainly for you're gift of written expression of a shared sentiment. Thankyou. Enjoy your travels. Stay safe
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:41:33 AM EDT
Awesome rant.

10 out of 10.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:46:14 AM EDT
I can remember flying as a kid (60's). You were treated like royalty even in coach.

Then came deregulation and the industry became nothing more than mass transport in the sky (cattle car with wings).

There is something about people when they travel that causes them to lose their minds. I know, I was in the business for 10+ years (80's-90's). I've had some of the most brilliant people in their fields on the planet become drooling, incompetent morons the minute they began discussing/planning to travel. Logic disappears. Physics suddenly doesn't apply in their universe. Temporal distortions that would make anyone writing Science Fiction proud become reality to these people.

I was SOOOOO effing glad when I traded in working a retail desk for building our IT department instead.

But, in doing so I suddenly became a near full-time business traveler and I got to see the other side. The corporate drones working for the airlines. Rule bound droids that you want to kill for being such fucktards. The tragedy of seeing someone that really wants to help, trapped by policy, corporate management and gooberement regulation. Adult passengers that shouldn't be let out of the house without a full time nanny to see that they can actually make it from Point A to Point B.

I haven't set foot on a commercial aircraft since 1998. Given the TSA bullshit that exists post 9/11, the odd are that I never will for the rest of my life. Oh well. I love driving and am a GA pilot so I have options.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:06:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 9:08:16 AM EDT by Anarki]
Ok, for those critcizing the lack of amenities offered by the airlines these days...I offer you this: You pay for what you freaking get.

Paying $100 for a roundtrip ticket from Fresno to Florida and back, does not entitle you to peanuts. Nor does it entitle you to a comfortable seat, a smiling-no-matter-what flight attendant, or a place to put your overstuffed luggage inside the cabin....even though the flight attendant at the door told you it would not fit. If you don't like it, please return to the trailer park you came from, and make room for the business traveler that had a clue.

Hell, your $100 ticket doesn't even buy you two highly qualified pilots in the front anymore. I have First Officers I have to fly with that have a grand total of less than 300 hours of total time...some with less than a couple of hours of IMC (flying in clouds). If I go, we are all gonna go. but my company and many others, see nothing but the almighty dollar when it comes to operating airplanes. I love hearing people's gasps when I tell them that a 1st year pilot at my airline makes $16,000.....that's per year!...not per month.

Throw in the facts that I will no longer see the pension I have contributed to for years...my airline may be out of business in a year or less and I get to start all over (at $16,000 a year), and that in order to save money, our schedules hit as much as 16 hour duty days....and you have a real heart attack waiting to happen up front.

So next time you hear somebody whining about the pilots that went on strike and messed up your vacation, please smack them about the ears for me. Having a background in Finance and being quite conservative, I would have never thought I would have been pro-union. But this business has gotten so nasty, even the unions can't stem the downward spiral in quality of life I paid so dearly to obtain.

Sign me...."This is your captain. I will be punching out of this career now. But I leave you a snot-nosed 300 hour wonder pilot to get you to the scene of the accident."

- Checknsix
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:09:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 9:13:15 AM EDT by GustusJ]

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
My rant of flying is more to the airlines than the passengers. Sorry, we're not passengers any more, are we? We're self-loading cargo.

There was a time, once, when flying was a pleasure. A trip filled with excitement and pampering. It was an event. People used to even put on good clothes to go on an airplane. It wasn't that long ago, I'm only 30 and I remember it. You were served free drinks, free meals, and watched free movies. If a 'plane was delayed, it was a matter of major dent of pride for the airline. Not 'normal attrition in the course of business.' Nowadays you only get soft drinks for free, and only on some airlines. The meal is now a packet of pretzels, or maybe you pick up a brown bag at the jetway with a sandwich, apple, and packet of Capri-Sun. A rental fee of $5 for a headset, to watch an edited movie on a small screen with horrible background noise. You have to take off half of your frumpy clothes at the security checkpoint. It's now a chore that other modes of transport are luring people away from again.

What I find particularly amusing is that it's mainly the domestic routes that do this. Take a trans-oceanic flight, and suddenly you get meals, free movies, drinks. It's because the domestic airlines realise that the rest of the world's airlines still treat their passengers as guests, and need to compete.



There is a good reason for that...the market gets what it asks for. Since 1983, the number of airline passengers has more than tripled, but the fares in 1983 were triple what they are now. The airline employees are making less now than ever and having to help more passengers than ever. There was a time when very few airplanes ever left full. Now, there are very few airplanes that don't leave full. Also, the passengers have changed. Back in the day, the passengers would dress up because airtravel was "something" and the passengers were mostly business people. Now, the fares are Greyhound style and the passengers are also Greyhound style. I guess it all comes down to you get what you pay for.

Thank deregulation...without it airtravel would most likely still be a "pleasure" and you could travel any airline you wanted (as long as the .gov let them serve the city you wanted to go to) and they would all be the same price (which the .gov set at roughly 3 times the average price today.)

Just my two cents...

Gus

source for numbers information: http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2002/el2002-01.html
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:12:10 AM EDT
It's obvious what we need. An Arfcom group buy on an off lease Citation. There are enough of us pilots and mechanics on the site to keep the thing flying.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:20:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:
Specifically those in Baltimore flying to Dallas.

How the fuck did you spittle-brained fuck-wits ever figure out how to get to the airport? Just because your two fucking huge carry-on bags barely fit in that emasculating contraption known as a mini-van does not mean they will fit in the overhead compartment. You bunch vacuum brained oxygen thieves. The airline provided a little device to see if your bag can fit into the overhead. Maybe they should have had an IQ test to see if you are fit to be out in public before they gave you the complex luggage test. Just because the space between your ears is empty doesn't mean the really fucking full plane will have empty space in the overhead compartment. You drooling mindless masses aspiring to be zombies, need to take a six week course on how to count to two. Two, I realize is a large number, but with help and my tax dollars you can learn. I bet you voted for John F. Kerry. You may take TWO carry-on bags, count them, one-two, one for the overhead and one to put under the seat in front of you as an uncomfortable punishment for being too stupid or too much of a control freak to check your baggage. If you put the second carry-on in the overhead, you are transferring the punishment to somebody else and have missed a valuable learning experience which you obviously need. Maybe the lack of genes for critical thinking enabled the sperm that created you to swim faster.

And you, the dimwit who decided to try to turn around and find an overhead space that you passed by because your 5 foot 6 inch tall acoustic guitar won't fit into the overhead above your seat. Just what the fuck were you thinking trying to walk through a crowd of people in a 2 foot aisle with an acoustic guitar? Did you not see the size of their gigantic asses and your gigantic ass and perform the mental calculation that it would create problems. I know you are stupid, I just underestimated how colossally fucking stupid you could be. At least a rock would have remained stationary and not caused problems, but you did not even live up to the expectations of a rock. And as for the guitar, well, no shit it won't fit. I realize you were not burdened with an abundance of learning and reasoning skills, but any three-year old should figure this one out, brain damaged or otherwise. Could you not tell by the gigantic fucking crowd trying to get on the airplane that the flight was really fucking full. When you were born, perhaps the doctor should have dropped you a second time to knock some sense into you. Sit the fuck down and wait for a stewardess to solve the problem for you. Hopefully she will snap and bash you over head with your guitar.

When I become overlord of the airline industry, I will remove the restrictions on stewardesses having tasers and hand cannons just so they can effectively deal with neuron free individuals.

And to the lard ass that sat next to me. Being fat was rude. Being really fat was really rude. Sitting in the middle was gigantically fucking rude. Sitting with your elbows locked at your side and adding to your girth was megalomaniacally fucking rude. Wearing the parka to boot was pure evil genius.

Too all you fuck-wits that wouldn't sit the fuck down and made me 2 minutes late for my connection in Dallas, may your own personal hell be as hellish as the one you create for everybody else.


(I henceforth renew my new year's resolution to reduce my swearing)


PS: Kudos to the Dallas to Tucson aircrew for moving all of the military guys to the open first class seats.



Aw, come on......tell us how you really feel!!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:23:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Anarki:
Ok, for those critcizing the lack of amenities offered by the airlines these days...I offer you this: You pay for what you freaking get.

Paying $100 for a roundtrip ticket from Fresno to Florida and back, does not entitle you to peanuts. Nor does it entitle you to a comfortable seat, a smiling-no-matter-what flight attendant, or a place to put your overstuffed luggage inside the cabin....even though the flight attendant at the door told you it would not fit. If you don't like it, please return to the trailer park you came from, and make room for the business traveler that had a clue.




DING DING DING We have a winner. Christ is people knew the actual cost of flying a plane, all of a sudden people wouldn't bitch if their ticket went up by 100 bucks.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:31:37 AM EDT

I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point).


Also I dress a little better when I go on the plane (slacks, collared shirt). Amazing the difference in treatment from both the airline and other passengers.

Also I know what I am paying for and set my expectations accordingly. The price (and hassle) is worth not driving (so far )
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:44:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By danpass:
I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point)




Ok let's talk about what happened there.

Fly/Drive by wire control on a French/German mulitnational community jet, failure in the comp (probably buit or overhauled in China, because we have to be internationals.)and Sky Capitan and Skippy (not derogatory terms) have to work their ass off and really earn their pay check.

Now for a US built plane (more expensive inital, but cheaper long run), steering cable? Check. Hydraulics on? Check. Gear handle to the up? Nose gear centers, and folds up. NO PROBLEM!


Solution, If it aint Boeing, I aint going!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:55:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 9:55:46 AM EDT by u-baddog]
Decent to Good rant, rates +8

When you start in a shithole like Balt. you really should have expected it.

Ahh the smell of a ass
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:59:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:
I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point)




Ok let's talk about what happened there.

Fly/Drive by wire control on a French/German mulitnational community jet, failure in the comp (probably buit or overhauled in China, because we have to be internationals.)and Sky Capitan and Skippy (not derogatory terms) have to work their ass off and really earn their pay check.

Now for a US built plane (more expensive inital, but cheaper long run), steering cable? Check. Hydraulics on? Check. Gear handle to the up? Nose gear centers, and folds up. NO PROBLEM!


Solution, If it aint Boeing, I aint going!





I was talking about human pilot vs a computer for flying a plane. Not the QC or design.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:35:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:47:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jvic:
I try not to check any bags because they lose my bags and it's nice to have my own stuff when they cancel my flights and I need to spend the night somewhere in a hotel...



20+ years and 2 million miles later I have yet to have a bag lost.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:47:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
There was a time, once, when flying was a pleasure. A trip filled with excitement and pampering. It was an event. People used to even put on good clothes to go on an airplane. It wasn't that long ago, I'm only 30 and I remember it.



When was the last time you paid FULL FARE to fly? How about all the other people on the plane?

The reality is that nearly everyone is flying on heavily-discounted restricted tickets and saving a lot of money, which means that the airlines have to scale way back on the creature comforts in order to remain viable.

Everyone wants to pay $350 to fly across the country, but wants the same service that they used to get when they paid (an inflation-adjusted) $1100 for the same flight. And don't forget: that high price was an automatic filter that removed a lot of the "problem element". Low ticket prices mean that a lot more people can fly.

There is a REASON that budget, no-frills airlines such as Southwest are continuously profitable and successful: they understand the market and provide exactly what the MAJORITY of their customers want. And that is cheap, no-frills flights.

As always, you get what you pay for.

-Troy



I'd gladly pay an extra $150 - $200 per ticket if it meant hot stewardesses, decent food and no fat-asses on the flight.

(Yes, I said stewardess. When they started calling them "flight attendants", it was the beginning of the end.)
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:23:00 PM EDT
About the fat people paying more? Damn straight they should!

The product of the most airlines is not having a passenger arrive at the destination with bags in hand on time. Its called an "air seat mile" which is basically how many miles they move one seat. With that said, if you are taking up one and a half seats, you should pay one and a half times the cost.

My pet peeves:

I love how when you're waiting to board, and they make the first "preboarding" announcement how everyone makes their way to the gate. People are in a hurry to board the aircraft and not wait until their row is called. Guess what, you'll be sitting in your tiny seat that lacks leg room LONGER. Have fun, jackass.

I also love how when the plane stops at the gate, and the seatbelt light goes off, how everyone immediately gets up. Guess what, you're still not getting out for another few mins. Sit down, be patient, and wait your turn.

THREAD HIJACK:


Originally Posted By Anarki:
Ok, for those critcizing the lack of amenities offered by the airlines these days...I offer you this: You pay for what you freaking get.

Paying $100 for a roundtrip ticket from Fresno to Florida and back, does not entitle you to peanuts. Nor does it entitle you to a comfortable seat, a smiling-no-matter-what flight attendant, or a place to put your overstuffed luggage inside the cabin....even though the flight attendant at the door told you it would not fit. If you don't like it, please return to the trailer park you came from, and make room for the business traveler that had a clue.

Hell, your $100 ticket doesn't even buy you two highly qualified pilots in the front anymore. I have First Officers I have to fly with that have a grand total of less than 300 hours of total time...some with less than a couple of hours of IMC (flying in clouds). If I go, we are all gonna go. but my company and many others, see nothing but the almighty dollar when it comes to operating airplanes. I love hearing people's gasps when I tell them that a 1st year pilot at my airline makes $16,000.....that's per year!...not per month.

Throw in the facts that I will no longer see the pension I have contributed to for years...my airline may be out of business in a year or less and I get to start all over (at $16,000 a year), and that in order to save money, our schedules hit as much as 16 hour duty days....and you have a real heart attack waiting to happen up front.

So next time you hear somebody whining about the pilots that went on strike and messed up your vacation, please smack them about the ears for me. Having a background in Finance and being quite conservative, I would have never thought I would have been pro-union. But this business has gotten so nasty, even the unions can't stem the downward spiral in quality of life I paid so dearly to obtain.

Sign me...."This is your captain. I will be punching out of this career now. But I leave you a snot-nosed 300 hour wonder pilot to get you to the scene of the accident."

- Checknsix



Really? That's interesting. I thought ATPs (Airline Transport Pilots) needed something like a MINIMUM 1500 hours and a type rating as well. Let alone a Commercial Pilot (which doesn't mean airline privileges) needs a minimum 250 hours (by a non Part 141 school). I don't have an ATP nor do I know the requirements nor do I care, at this time. My Uncle pays me to fly his jets.

Let me know what airline is hiring 300 hour pilots, allright? I have a few friends that would be interested. And my friends have probably more than 5 times the hours of your First Officers.

Also, why put the blame on the "300 hour First Officer"? Is it his/her fault? I highly doubt it. Sounds to me like its an airline problem. Hell, if your airline is hiring a bunch of Chuch Yeagers, you should be so lucky. Maybe they are just that shit hot and found a great batch of FOs.

Sounds to me like you also have some CRM issues to hash out. Weren't you a FO once? How would you like it if every Captain you flew with treated you like shit, simply because you were an FO? This isn't the pre1980s, FO's have say and Captains are no longer masters of the universe. I think you need a serious attitude check. Either that or you were drinking and posting.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:34:41 PM EDT
I,for one, would like to see Airlines enforce some sort of maximum carry-on luggage rules. It really pegs my anger needle when the compartment above MY seat is full of the crap from the guy 3 seats up.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:35:44 PM EDT

A person can operate a commercial jet aircraft as an second-in-command with a Commercial Pilots Licence with appropriate class and type ratings. This requires 250 hours, and in certain cases slightly less.

I know a guy that flew RJs out of NY thirty years after his dad flew DC9s out of LGA in the 1970s. They had almost the same dollar for dollar W2. True story. The airline industry sucks.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:49:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:
Sit the fuck down and wait for a stewardess to solve the problem for you. Hopefully she will snap and bash you over head with your guitar.



They will get pissed if you call them " stewardess"........it's "flight attendant" now.



They really like it when you call them "air waitresses".
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 3:04:29 PM EDT
We used to pay between $1500-$2500 to fly between ATL and ORD. For the same flight the company now pays between $150-$250. One tenth the cost, even less in inflation-adjusted terms.

So yeah, when the masses can afford airfare, they're going to behave like the masses.

Just bring some ear plugs, hand sanitizer and a face mask in case the plague victim next to you coughs all flight.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:26:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By danpass:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:
I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point)




Ok let's talk about what happened there.

Fly/Drive by wire control on a French/German mulitnational community jet, failure in the comp (probably buit or overhauled in China, because we have to be internationals.)and Sky Capitan and Skippy (not derogatory terms) have to work their ass off and really earn their pay check.

Now for a US built plane (more expensive inital, but cheaper long run), steering cable? Check. Hydraulics on? Check. Gear handle to the up? Nose gear centers, and folds up. NO PROBLEM!


Solution, If it aint Boeing, I aint going!





I was talking about human pilot vs a computer for flying a plane. Not the QC or design.



Still when you're talking about the JetBlue Airbus, believe it or not, the human pilot is not flying the aircraft, he's putting in a request into the computer, and as long as certain parameters are met, the computer will make the command for him. The 777 is the first true fly by wire commercial aircraft put out by Boeing. Even on the latest 767's you can still trace cables from the cockpit to the flight control actuators. I don't care how you put it the pilot wasn't flying that airbus, he was asking the computer and it granted his wishes. For more Airbus footage look here Airbus Demo. This video promped the question, what's the difference between an Aibus, and a lumberjack?

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About 50 trees an hour.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:30:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:
I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point)




Ok let's talk about what happened there.

Fly/Drive by wire control on a French/German mulitnational community jet, failure in the comp (probably buit or overhauled in China, because we have to be internationals.)and Sky Capitan and Skippy (not derogatory terms) have to work their ass off and really earn their pay check.

Now for a US built plane (more expensive inital, but cheaper long run), steering cable? Check. Hydraulics on? Check. Gear handle to the up? Nose gear centers, and folds up. NO PROBLEM!


Solution, If it aint Boeing, I aint going!





I was talking about human pilot vs a computer for flying a plane. Not the QC or design.



Still when you're talking about the JetBlue Airbus, believe it or not, the human pilot is not flying the aircraft, he's putting in a request into the computer, and as long as certain parameters are met, the computer will make the command for him. The 777 is the first true fly by wire commercial aircraft put out by Boeing. Even on the latest 767's you can still trace cables from the cockpit to the flight control actuators. I don't care how you put it the pilot wasn't flying that airbus, he was asking the computer and it granted his wishes. For more Airbus footage look here Airbus Demo. This video promped the question, what's the difference between an Aibus, and a lumberjack?



About 50 trees an hour.



Tell me again who had the final say in all matters?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:36:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kissfan:

Originally Posted By jvic:
I try not to check any bags because they lose my bags and it's nice to have my own stuff when they cancel my flights and I need to spend the night somewhere in a hotel...



20+ years and 2 million miles later I have yet to have a bag lost.



So? First time I ever flown they lost all my lugage. Thank God I had my backpack with a change of clothes and some toiletries.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:40:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By danpass:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By danpass:
I, for one, never complain about pilot salaries.

I seem to remember a recent event where the front nose gear wheels were locked sideways and the pilot brought it down smooth as silk.

Lets see a silicon chip try that! (Well not really, I'm just making a point)




Ok let's talk about what happened there.

Fly/Drive by wire control on a French/German mulitnational community jet, failure in the comp (probably buit or overhauled in China, because we have to be internationals.)and Sky Capitan and Skippy (not derogatory terms) have to work their ass off and really earn their pay check.

Now for a US built plane (more expensive inital, but cheaper long run), steering cable? Check. Hydraulics on? Check. Gear handle to the up? Nose gear centers, and folds up. NO PROBLEM!


Solution, If it aint Boeing, I aint going!





I was talking about human pilot vs a computer for flying a plane. Not the QC or design.



Still when you're talking about the JetBlue Airbus, believe it or not, the human pilot is not flying the aircraft, he's putting in a request into the computer, and as long as certain parameters are met, the computer will make the command for him. The 777 is the first true fly by wire commercial aircraft put out by Boeing. Even on the latest 767's you can still trace cables from the cockpit to the flight control actuators. I don't care how you put it the pilot wasn't flying that airbus, he was asking the computer and it granted his wishes. For more Airbus footage look here Airbus Demo. This video promped the question, what's the difference between an Aibus, and a lumberjack?



About 50 trees an hour.



Tell me again who had the final say in all matters?




In that plane it's the computer, the pilot just asks pretty please
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:02:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 10:07:07 PM EDT by A-36Pilot]
Really? That's interesting. I thought ATPs (Airline Transport Pilots) needed something like a MINIMUM 1500 hours and a type rating as well. Let alone a Commercial Pilot (which doesn't mean airline privileges) needs a minimum 250 hours (by a non Part 141 school). I don't have an ATP nor do I know the requirements nor do I care, at this time. My Uncle pays me to fly his jets.

Let me know what airline is hiring 300 hour pilots, allright? I have a few friends that would be interested. And my friends have probably more than 5 times the hours of your First Officers.

Also, why put the blame on the "300 hour First Officer"? Is it his/her fault? I highly doubt it. Sounds to me like its an airline problem. Hell, if your airline is hiring a bunch of Chuch Yeagers, you should be so lucky. Maybe they are just that shit hot and found a great batch of FOs.

Sounds to me like you also have some CRM issues to hash out. Weren't you a FO once? How would you like it if every Captain you flew with treated you like shit, simply because you were an FO? This isn't the pre1980s, FO's have say and Captains are no longer masters of the universe. I think you need a serious attitude check. Either that or you were drinking and posting.



Hey there Skippy. You don't need to be an ATP to sit right seat at a regional. Which is where most of your 300 hr PFT types are going to. In case you didn't know, PFT stands for PAY FOR TRAINING. In other words you go out and buy yourself that right seat slot that you so desperately want and covet. And as long as schools like MAPD and Comair Academy keep churning out 300 hr wonders, the standards for being a super hot shot, uber cool airline pilot will gradually diminish until you have 18 year old kids planting airplanes all over the countryside like it was going out of style.

As somebody employed in the industry I have seen what anarki describes. The lure of the shiny jet is too much for some to resist. Blame half of it on the airlines and blame half of it on Joe Schmo down the street who just can't live his life without being a "jet-jock". And so what does Joe do? He takes a job with more responsibility than the average traveler can fathom, and he is making less money than Arnold the Burger Flipper makes working at Billy Bob's Burger Shack.

So thanks for your service there JustinOK34(and to that I'm being very sincere) but wait until you get out of the service and you are paired up with the 250 hour wunderkid who doesn't know how to pick up a clearance, and can't manage to talk on the radio, and fly at the same time.

And to all you wannabe shiny jet jocks out there, ditch the idea of PFT and do your time as a CFI. You'll be a better pilot because of it and you will actually be able to respect yourself when you look in the mirror each day.

And for God's sake if there are any airline execs on this board(not that I think there is) wake the fuck up and start charging what a ticket is worth. You never have been Southwest, and you never will be.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:05:35 PM EDT
Being seated next to a mother holding a teething infant...on a 3 hour flight. As if being subjected to the idiocy which is the TSA wasn't enough...

Luckily I had a neuron fire and grabbed my MP3 player and a set of noise cancelling headphones (the big plush 70s style ones) on my way out the door with my luggage. I only heard the rejected abortion during takeoff & landing.

I don't blame the baby, it just knows that now its gums are on fire and its ears feel like they should be leaking blood. I do blame the father and mother.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:17:20 PM EDT

I was thinking about those oversized carry-on bags the last few times I've flown too. I thought mine was too large and all I had was a R.A.I.D. pack.

All these other assholes have those generic box-shaped things with the two wheels and the retractable handle so they can pull it along behind them like a freaking children's toy. But then they load it down with so much crap they have to pull it because it's too heavy to just carry in their hand. And because it's so damned overloaded and heavy, they all have difficulty lifting it to put it into and take it out of the overhead storage bins.

And then on top of the 80-lb wheeled "carry on" everyone is allowed one "personal item" which means they have to bring along their laptop (in a huge laptop bag) or a guitar, or some box of crap they bought at some "boutique" while on their vacation.

Also, why does every person I sit next to on the plane feel the need to sit with their legs spread apart so that they're intruding into my leg space as well? It's never a hot woman either.... always some 6', 250lb business guy or something...
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 10:24:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
My rant of flying is more to the airlines than the passengers. Sorry, we're not passengers any more, are we? We're self-loading cargo.


NTM



+1

how in the hell do airlines get away with cramming 400+ people in a 747e for overseas flights??!?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:11:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
how in the hell do airlines get away with cramming 400+ people in a 747e for overseas flights??!?



Because they can't fit 600.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:03:26 AM EDT
Sounds like you were flying Southwest.......
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:55:43 AM EDT
10 for 10 on the rant.

I too hate the motherfuckers with their guitars. I understand they are expensive and fragile, and I can sympathize, but they are TOO LARGE to be a carry on. I can't stand when some asshole wipes out an entire overhead bin with his guitar. That's not a carry on, that's a piece of luggage.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:00:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:
10 for 10 on the rant.

I too hate the motherfuckers with their guitars. I understand they are expensive and fragile, and I can sympathize, but they are TOO LARGE to be a carry on. I can't stand when some asshole wipes out an entire overhead bin with his guitar. That's not a carry on, that's a piece of luggage.



Almost every airline has a little "test machine" outside the boarding area for you to see if your carry on bag fits. If it doesn't fit there, it's not supposed to be carried on the plane.

I searched high/low for a rolling backpack to carry my laptop and all the crap I need to work on the road.
It will fit under the seat (except the aisle seat, which is fooked with the support rail anyways.)

I'm so over the asshats with luggage AND a laptop bag.

I've checked my luggage since I started business flying in 1979. I've never had a real issue with luggage on planes. It's been delayed twice, but always arrived.

There was a rumor (and it turned out to be false, dammit) that TSA was going to decree ONE CARRY ON per passenger to speed up the security lines. That would have fixed the problem... for now.
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