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Posted: 1/3/2006 1:29:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 1:40:59 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 1:35:39 AM EDT
Has anyone besides the French bought any Rafale's?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 1:39:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 1:58:54 AM EDT

Eurofighter sold to Saudi Arabia


When will we learn

Taffy

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 2:05:55 AM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By 2A373:
Has anyone besides the French bought any Rafale's?



Even the Phrench haven't bought many Rafales!

ANdy



From what I've been able to find on-line, the Phrench have only ordered 120.



On second thought I better not laugh, we haven't ordered that many -22s.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:03:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 2:04:04 AM EDT by 2A373]
Are the Saudi Typhoons going to be full up versions, or will they be downgraded some?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:11:11 AM EDT
Do the Brits still fly F3s?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:22:02 AM EDT
Thread's worthless without pictures............




Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:46:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 3:13:52 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:47:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:59:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 3:00:04 AM EDT by SJSAMPLE]
Dead sexy.
However, I feel that any combat aircraft sold to a Middle Eastern nation (except Israel) should be required to fly the "Q" designation that denotes it as a target drone.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:25:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:26:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:27:59 AM EDT
The E-Fighter doesn't look very stealthy....
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:32:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:36:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
Dead sexy.
However, I feel that any combat aircraft sold to a Middle Eastern nation (except Israel) should be required to fly the "Q" designation that denotes it as a target drone.




Very funny! and likely true.

The Euro fighter does not look very stealthy, does it? I don't know what it relies on for an advantage

Speed?
Maneuverability/agility?
shear numbers of them?

It reminds my of a delta winged, cunard-ed, F-16

Also, probably pisses the US off a bit, as it represents a "lost sale" to us.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:45:20 AM EDT
As I recall, the Eurofighter has short legs, no stealth, and is optimised for dogfighting? On top of which, it is the biggest camel (horse designed by a committee) since the Airbus A-400M (Euro airlifter that started life as a jet, wound up as a prop, and hasn't got past the mock up stage. Incidently, the mock up is so heavy that, if it had real engines, couldn't fly if it tried!)

Have I got that right Andy? If you're saying that the F-35 is a better fighter, then the EF must really be a piece of crap!
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:56:26 AM EDT
I hope each plane is fitted with radio controled ejection seat or a 1lb C4 charge that operates from a button in London.
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Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:56:50 AM EDT
Just one more reason we need to buy more F-22As and accelerate X-45c development! The soon to be YFA-45 is going to be a huge force mulitplier!
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:14:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Eurofighter sold to Saudi Arabia


When will we learn

Taffy




Nothing to worry about Taffster,

We are getting the Level 1 F-35's, mucho baddass, mucho!

ANdy



Let's just say I've has expierence of the Sauidis with the MRCA ...
Wierd....just plain wierd what goes on to keep them happy.

Taffy
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:28:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 4:33:25 AM EDT by AeroE]
Is there a flare dispenser installed in the forward end of the elevon actuator fairing?

I like the submerged missile wells.

I have to say that expecting any benefit from RAM on that bird is pretty much like putting lipstick on a pig - it ain't going to help in any meaningful way.

I just noticed the articulating leading edges on the inlets; simple enough if they improve the flow to the diffuser. The contrast in aerodynamic cleanliness between the upper and lower surfaces of the airplane is remarkable.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:21:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Eurofighter sold to Saudi Arabia


When will we learn

Taffy





Don't worry, they'll have to hire Eastern Europeans to maintain them.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:27:56 PM EDT
"Notably, the Saudi agreement is only the second export deal for Eurofighter - Austria previously bought 18 of the aircraft."

Austria must not have a big air force
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:29:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By 2A373:
Has anyone besides the French bought any Rafale's?



Even the Phrench haven't bought many Rafales!

ANdy



From what I've been able to find on-line, the Phrench have only ordered 120.



On second thought I better not laugh, we haven't ordered that many -22s.


Yeah, we've only ordered 180+.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:36:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Eurofighter sold to Saudi Arabia


When will we learn

Taffy




Nothing to worry about Taffster,

We are getting the Level 1 F-35's, mucho baddass, mucho!

ANdy



Let's just say I've has expierence of the Sauidis with the MRCA ...
Wierd....just plain wierd what goes on to keep them happy.

Taffy



Still an Arab in the cockpit though.

As the old Chuck Yeager flight sim used to say "It's the man not the machine".
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:45:56 PM EDT
The people who actually fly are the princes and those with connections. Ones that probably wouldn't want to put themselves in actual danger.

Ya'll do know that we are selling them Strykers, and training their military, air, land, and IIRC naval forces right? Been doing it for a few decades. And they still suck.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:37:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Unicorn:
The people who actually fly are the princes and those with connections. Ones that probably wouldn't want to put themselves in actual danger.

Ya'll do know that we are selling them Strykers, and training their military, air, land, and IIRC naval forces right? Been doing it for a few decades. And they still suck.



Ditto... If Allah doesn't will it then they won't try that hard to make it happen... Heck, the US sold the Iranians F-14s when they were the newest things on the market! We even let them pick between the F-15 and F-14...

Spooky
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:11:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 11:12:04 AM EDT by ASUsax]
$147 million a copy?



ETA: aNdy, how many is the UK getting?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:18:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ASUsax:
$147 million a copy?



ETA: aNdy, how many is the UK getting?



Just the one in the pictures.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:21:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 2:17:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Taffy223:

Eurofighter sold to Saudi Arabia


When will we learn

Taffy




Nothing to worry about Taffster,

We are getting the Level 1 F-35's, mucho baddass, mucho!

ANdy



Let's just say I've has expierence of the Sauidis with the MRCA ...
Wierd....just plain wierd what goes on to keep them happy
.

Taffy




Could you elaborate?

I recall a fairly in depth article posted here about the Arab mindset and culture, and why it's not conducive to success on the battlefield against a Western enemy.

-K
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 1:31:19 AM EDT
Don't they have Pakistani pilots in their Air Force?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:56:24 AM EDT
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