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Posted: 1/2/2006 5:13:42 PM EDT
I was thinking here... and from how the law reads a winchester 1897 is a machinegun. A machine gun fires more than one round per action of the trigger. Well on an 1897 you can pull the trigger and while holding the trigger back pump the slide and when the bolt locks another round will fire. There was only one action of the trigger but 2 or more rounds can be fired.

So is the action of the trigger mean the actuial trigger or that the trigger would be the action of the pump?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:14:51 PM EDT
NO!
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:16:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 5:17:03 PM EDT by RIA45ACP]

Originally Posted By ErikM98:
I was thinking here... and from how the law reads a winchester 1897 is a machinegun. A machine gun fires more than one round per action of the trigger. Well on an 1897 you can pull the trigger and while holding the trigger back pump the slide and when the bolt locks another round will fire. There was only one action of the trigger but 2 or more rounds can be fired.

So is the action of the trigger mean the actuial trigger or that the trigger would be the action of the pump?



I dont think it would ever be classified that way. Ithaca shotguns are the same way, as well as most of the older 22 pump rifles.


ETA: grrrr post 223 wasted on this!.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:18:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RIA45ACP:
I dont think it would ever be classified that way. Ithaca shotguns are the same way, as well as most of the older 22 pump rifles.



You mean I should buy an older pump action 22 rifle now to go along with the Win-97 and the Ithaca M-37?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:21:33 PM EDT
No, since you have to work the pump for each shot.

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:22:09 PM EDT
26 U.S.C. Sec. 5845 (b) Machinegun – The term “machine gun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

When you pump it, you are manual reloading.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:29:19 PM EDT
Yes.

Send me all your 1897's and I will talk the ATF out of shooting your dog.

Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:29:37 PM EDT
NO becouse it does not automaticl load and fire 2 or more rounds per function of the trigger.

"CLICK RACK BOOM RACK BOOM" does not = machine gun since your manualy loadng the second round.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:33:39 PM EDT
It is fun though. Those auto triggers are fun as hell.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:50:50 PM EDT
FWIW, there is a simple bent wire mod that you can do to a Mini-14 that allows it to fire one round when the trigger is pulled and another when the trigger is released. BATF issued a letter stating it was legal.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:05:54 PM EDT
NO!
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:47:29 PM EDT
Rossi 22 Pump rifles are the same way ! My brother bought one at walmart as long as you hold the trigger down and pump it will fire
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