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Posted: 1/1/2006 5:23:03 PM EDT
They've also been a member for just two months.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:23:59 PM EDT
Nope. I'd stick with a regular or a well-established dealer.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:26:05 PM EDT
POSTAL MONEY ORDER
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:26:31 PM EDT
Or ask if they have e-bay feedback to prove they are worthy of your business.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:26:32 PM EDT
no
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:27:59 PM EDT
No unless a much more senior board member would vouch for them. If the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Regards,
Gary
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:28:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FatCobra:
POSTAL MONEY ORDER



How does that work? The purchase price, by the way, is north of $500.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:28:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:29:51 PM EDT
My 2nd post (and only been a member for 12 days) was on the EE. Sold an Upper FTF with a new Member.

If the person gives you good quality pictures, and you discuss all terms up front, and establish good communication, why not? Everyone has to start somewhere.

Have it go through an escrow if you aren't sure.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:31:09 PM EDT
my rule of thumb is "don't buy from someone who isn't more than a day's drive away."

just in case.

(also, no P.O. Boxes)
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:34:50 PM EDT
I'm just as trustworthy now as I was when I only had 10 posts.


Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:
I'm just as trustworthy now as I was when I only had 10 posts.





Exactly. Post count doesn't always tell the story. I think the thought of someone with a high post count comes to mind here.

There are honest people out there. Call them and talk to them. If someone is an ass on the phone, no way.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:39:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mr_camera_man:
Nope. I'd stick with a regular or a well-established dealer.

+1
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:41:52 PM EDT
Only if I could meet them FTF.

Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:42:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:45:10 PM EDT
If they have good feedback, yes. Be sure to get a home and work phone #.

Most folks here on AR-15.con are A-OK
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:53:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 6:00:39 PM EDT by FatCobra]

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I am not convinced that anything really happens if you call the postal service with a fraud complaint related to a money order.

I would be wary but talk to the guy on the phone and get his home and work contact info.




18 USC Sec. 500

Whoever, with intent to defraud......a money order issued by or under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal Service..........


uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+357+20++%28postal%2­0money%20order%29%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%­20
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:54:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:

Originally Posted By FatCobra:
POSTAL MONEY ORDER



How does that work? The purchase price, by the way, is north of $500.




I think they increased the amount above 500 in the last few years. You can always buy two or more money orders.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:08:04 PM EDT
No
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:11:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 6:12:24 PM EDT by krpind]

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
If they have good feedback, yes. Be sure to get a home and work phone #.

Most folks here on AR-15.con are A-OK



typo???

If it is it's kinda funny......if not
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:19:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:32:44 PM EDT
I read that link too. I think the USPS would tell you sorry if you were ripped off using one of their money orders.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:36:20 PM EDT
Yes, but I'd protect myself.

Start by getting a phone number and calling the guy up. See if he sounds shady.

Check sites like zabbasearch and see if the address he gives you matches his name.

It helps to know someone in the same town or nearby. Offer to have a friend go pick up the item and ship it for you/deliver payment. Do you know anyone from the board who lives nearby who could do this for you (and who you trust)?

Pay using your credit card if you can so that if you get shafted you can retract the charges.

Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:37:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:
I'm just as trustworthy now as I was when I only had 10 posts.





no kidding ... we've had a few crooks here with high post counts.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:41:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 6:49:20 PM EDT by FatCobra]

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By FatCobra:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I am not convinced that anything really happens if you call the postal service with a fraud complaint related to a money order.

I would be wary but talk to the guy on the phone and get his home and work contact info.




18 USC Sec. 500

Whoever, with intent to defraud......a money order issued by or under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal Service..........


uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+357+20++%28postal%2­0money%20order%29%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%­20



That section refers to forging money order, stealing them from the post office and stuff like that, it doesn't have anything to do with receiving a money order and not sending someone the stuff it was for.



There are 6 specific things listed. "intent to defraud" qualifies for our purpose.

Whoever, with intent to defraud, falsely makes, forges,


counterfeits, engraves, or prints any order in imitation of or


purporting to be a blank money order or a money order issued by or


under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal

and if thats not enough for you. uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+671+46++%28mail%20f­ra
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:42:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:48:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FatCobra:

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By FatCobra:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I am not convinced that anything really happens if you call the postal service with a fraud complaint related to a money order.

I would be wary but talk to the guy on the phone and get his home and work contact info.




18 USC Sec. 500

Whoever, with intent to defraud......a money order issued by or under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal Service..........


uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+357+20++%28postal%2­0money%20order%29%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%­20



That section refers to forging money order, stealing them from the post office and stuff like that, it doesn't have anything to do with receiving a money order and not sending someone the stuff it was for.



There are 6 specific things listed. "intent to defraud" qualifies for our purpose.

Whoever, with intent to defraud, falsely makes, forges,


counterfeits, engraves, or prints any order in imitation of or


purporting to be a blank money order or a money order issued by or


under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal



So in essence, if you sign a postal money order knowing that you are ripping off the sender of the money order, you are committing a federal crime?

Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:50:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:

Originally Posted By FatCobra:

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By FatCobra:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I am not convinced that anything really happens if you call the postal service with a fraud complaint related to a money order.

I would be wary but talk to the guy on the phone and get his home and work contact info.




18 USC Sec. 500

Whoever, with intent to defraud......a money order issued by or under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal Service..........


uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+357+20++%28postal%2­0money%20order%29%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%­20



That section refers to forging money order, stealing them from the post office and stuff like that, it doesn't have anything to do with receiving a money order and not sending someone the stuff it was for.



There are 6 specific things listed. "intent to defraud" qualifies for our purpose.

Whoever, with intent to defraud, falsely makes, forges,


counterfeits, engraves, or prints any order in imitation of or


purporting to be a blank money order or a money order issued by or


under the direction of the Post Office Department or Postal



So in essence, if you sign a postal money order knowing that you are ripping off the sender of the money order, you are committing a federal crime?




Yes
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