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Posted: 1/1/2006 6:30:42 PM EDT

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Japan no longer wants to build cars here? That's news to me,as Toyota is expanding it's Georgetown Ky plant,and building a new one near San Antonio TX.

www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html

Those will likely be the last as they are already commited. Toyota will be building in canada in the future. Unskilled Americans (factory workers) are too stupid to work an assembly line.

Here is a tid bit on what I was talking about.

The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs.

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

Posted: 1/1/2006 6:41:09 PM EDT

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My roll-away is well-stocked with Craftsman hand tools. This is mostly due to three things:

1. Availability: There's a Sears Essentials store four minutes from my house.

2. Price: I signed up for the Craftsman Club. Already competitive prices are even lower during special sales.

3. Warranty: Best in the business.

This is why I have all Craftsman hand tools.

Y'all try to chase down a MAC or Snap-On truck when you break a wrench, and need one RIGHT now. Sears? It's always open when I break something. No waiting on a truck.

Posted: 1/1/2006 6:43:42 PM EDT

[#3]

Craftsman, Snap on, S&K all good stuff

Posted: 1/1/2006 6:51:07 PM EDT

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I'm a Skilled Trademan in a big factory. Craftsman is still big with all the guys because of the replacement guarantee. We aren't afraid to do stupid stuff like put big cheater bars on our ratchets or wrenches because if we happen to break it,we can get another with no problems. Craftsman hand tools are the way to go-for power tools, i'll stick with Milwaukee.

Just last night I was checking out 4.5" corded grinders. All the Craftsman models were made in China, as well as the Makita model.

The DeWalt and Milwaukee models were both made in Mexico.

Actually, I just got a DeWalt D28402K 4 1/2" grinder for Christmas... made in China as well.

Worst part, there is a piece in the kit box that my company helped design, that is now made in China.

Posted: 1/1/2006 6:58:33 PM EDT

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Those will likely be the last as they are already commited. Toyota will be building in canada in the future. Unskilled Americans (factory workers) are too stupid to work an assembly line.

Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING ARTICLE!!

Canada auto industry rep takes dig at ability of Alabama workers

Friday, July 08, 2005

MICHAEL TOMBERLIN News staff writer

A Canadian auto industry official said Alabama workers, unable to
read, had to be shown "pictorials" to learn how to use high-tech
equipment in auto plants. His remark drew rebukes from Honda and
Toyota.

Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers'
Association, told the Canadian Press on Thursday that workers in
Alabama and Mississippi don't measure up. His comments followed a
decision by Toyota to build a plant in Ontario rather than in the
Southern states.

The news service quoted Fedchun as saying the Honda plant in Lincoln
and the Nissan plant near Jackson have struggled to reach full
production because its workers are untrained and often illiterate.

Toyota rebuttal:

The story quoted Fedchun saying Alabama job-trainers had to use
"pictorials" to teach workers how to use sophisticated equipment. "The
educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so
much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

Efforts to reach Fedchun were unsuccessful Thursday.

Dennis Cuneo, senior vice president of Toyota's North American
operations, took exception to Fedchun's comments in a letter Thursday.

"We operate an engine plant in Huntsville, Ala., and I was in charge
of the site selection for that plant," Cuneo wrote to Fedchun. "We
spent a considerable amount of time and effort in the site selection
process, and carefully studied the skill levels of the potential
workforce before we selected our Alabama site."

Cuneo noted that nearly one-third of the workers at the Huntsville
plant are college graduates and 97 percent have at least a high school
education.

"Huntsville ... is the city that put the first man on the moon,"

Cuneo wrote. "Huntsville ranks second among the top metropolitan areas
in the U.S. for scientists and engineers per capita, and has the
second largest research and technology park in the U.S."

Honda puzzled:

Cuneo said Toyota has already announced two expansions in Huntsville
and will have $490 million invested and employ about 800 when the
projects are completed.

"As you might imagine, that kind of investment is confirmation of the
confidence that we have in our Alabama workforce," he wrote.

Mark Morrison, spokesman for Honda in Lincoln, said he was puzzled by
Fedchun's comments. Honda has invested $1.1 billion in Alabama since
1996 and set company records in establishing operations. The automaker
now has 4,500 employees in the state.

"Obviously, Honda electing to expand its operation before we even got
Line 1 at full capacity speaks volumes of the quality of the workforce
that we have in Alabama," Morrison said.

The Lincoln plant handles all North American production of the
Odyssey minivan, which was once made at Honda's plant in Ontario.

"The goals that we have met and exceeded have been a tribute to the
capability and trainability of our workforce," he said.

`Out of left field':

As for Fedchun's claims that Honda has had to use pictures to train
its workers, Morrison said other than engineering diagrams that all
manufacturers use, that is not true.

"No, we have not had to do that," he said.

Neal Wade, executive director of the Alabama Development Office, said
he and Gov. Bob Riley were made aware of the comments Thursday.

"These comments came out of left field and obviously do not reflect
Toyota's feelings or the feelings of any of the other manufacturers,"
he said.

Fedchun's organization, the Toronto-based Automotive Parts
Manufacturers' Association, has more than 400 members accounting for
90 per cent of independent parts production in Canada.

Ban me if needed, I hate fucking liars!! The price is worth it.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:02:31 PM EDT

[#6]

THAT SHIT FUCKING PISSED ME OFF!!

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:02:48 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Japan no longer wants to build cars here? That's news to me,as Toyota is expanding it's Georgetown Ky plant,and building a new one near San Antonio TX.

www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html

Those will likely be the last as they are already commited. Toyota will be building in canada in the future. Unskilled Americans (factory workers) are too stupid to work an assembly line.

Here is a tid bit on what I was talking about.

The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs.

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

And that'll make JIT deliverys real fun in the winter/elevated terror threats/wrecks n traffic in Detroit,it's real fun getting across the Ambassador bridge too.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:03:08 PM EDT

[#8]

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Those will likely be the last as they are already commited. Toyota will be building in canada in the future. Unskilled Americans (factory workers) are too stupid to work an assembly line.

Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING ARTICLE!!

Canada auto industry rep takes dig at ability of Alabama workers

Friday, July 08, 2005

MICHAEL TOMBERLIN News staff writer

A Canadian auto industry official said Alabama workers, unable to
read, had to be shown "pictorials" to learn how to use high-tech
equipment in auto plants. His remark drew rebukes from Honda and
Toyota.

Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers'
Association, told the Canadian Press on Thursday that workers in
Alabama and Mississippi don't measure up. His comments followed a
decision by Toyota to build a plant in Ontario rather than in the
Southern states.

The news service quoted Fedchun as saying the Honda plant in Lincoln
and the Nissan plant near Jackson have struggled to reach full
production because its workers are untrained and often illiterate.

Toyota rebuttal:

The story quoted Fedchun saying Alabama job-trainers had to use
"pictorials" to teach workers how to use sophisticated equipment. "The
educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so
much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

Efforts to reach Fedchun were unsuccessful Thursday.

Dennis Cuneo, senior vice president of Toyota's North American
operations, took exception to Fedchun's comments in a letter Thursday.

"We operate an engine plant in Huntsville, Ala., and I was in charge
of the site selection for that plant," Cuneo wrote to Fedchun. "We
spent a considerable amount of time and effort in the site selection
process, and carefully studied the skill levels of the potential
workforce before we selected our Alabama site."

Cuneo noted that nearly one-third of the workers at the Huntsville
plant are college graduates and 97 percent have at least a high school
education.

"Huntsville ... is the city that put the first man on the moon,"

Cuneo wrote. "Huntsville ranks second among the top metropolitan areas
in the U.S. for scientists and engineers per capita, and has the
second largest research and technology park in the U.S."

Honda puzzled:

Cuneo said Toyota has already announced two expansions in Huntsville
and will have $490 million invested and employ about 800 when the
projects are completed.

"As you might imagine, that kind of investment is confirmation of the
confidence that we have in our Alabama workforce," he wrote.

Mark Morrison, spokesman for Honda in Lincoln, said he was puzzled by
Fedchun's comments. Honda has invested $1.1 billion in Alabama since
1996 and set company records in establishing operations. The automaker
now has 4,500 employees in the state.

"Obviously, Honda electing to expand its operation before we even got
Line 1 at full capacity speaks volumes of the quality of the workforce
that we have in Alabama," Morrison said.

The Lincoln plant handles all North American production of the
Odyssey minivan, which was once made at Honda's plant in Ontario.

"The goals that we have met and exceeded have been a tribute to the
capability and trainability of our workforce," he said.

`Out of left field':

As for Fedchun's claims that Honda has had to use pictures to train
its workers, Morrison said other than engineering diagrams that all
manufacturers use, that is not true.

"No, we have not had to do that," he said.

Neal Wade, executive director of the Alabama Development Office, said
he and Gov. Bob Riley were made aware of the comments Thursday.

"These comments came out of left field and obviously do not reflect
Toyota's feelings or the feelings of any of the other manufacturers,"
he said.

Fedchun's organization, the Toronto-based Automotive Parts
Manufacturers' Association, has more than 400 members accounting for
90 per cent of independent parts production in Canada.

Ban me if needed, I hate fucking liars!! The price is worth it.

You cant dispute the fact that what he said is true.

Why do you think they DENIED the offer to MORE THAN DOUBLE the incentives made by Cities in the United States? Apparently there is no profit in building in the U.S. Even if the incentives are more than doubled. THAT MY FRIEND, IS SAYING SOMETHING!

And of course Dennis Cuneo is going to try to protect the image of his workers. I would expect nothing less.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:09:39 PM EDT

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Those will likely be the last as they are already commited. Toyota will be building in canada in the future. Unskilled Americans (factory workers) are too stupid to work an assembly line.

Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING ARTICLE!!

Canada auto industry rep takes dig at ability of Alabama workers

Friday, July 08, 2005

MICHAEL TOMBERLIN News staff writer

A Canadian auto industry official said Alabama workers, unable to
read, had to be shown "pictorials" to learn how to use high-tech
equipment in auto plants. His remark drew rebukes from Honda and
Toyota.

Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers'
Association, told the Canadian Press on Thursday that workers in
Alabama and Mississippi don't measure up. His comments followed a
decision by Toyota to build a plant in Ontario rather than in the
Southern states.

The news service quoted Fedchun as saying the Honda plant in Lincoln
and the Nissan plant near Jackson have struggled to reach full
production because its workers are untrained and often illiterate.

Toyota rebuttal:

The story quoted Fedchun saying Alabama job-trainers had to use
"pictorials" to teach workers how to use sophisticated equipment. "The
educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so
much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

Efforts to reach Fedchun were unsuccessful Thursday.

Dennis Cuneo, senior vice president of Toyota's North American
operations, took exception to Fedchun's comments in a letter Thursday.

"We operate an engine plant in Huntsville, Ala., and I was in charge
of the site selection for that plant," Cuneo wrote to Fedchun. "We
spent a considerable amount of time and effort in the site selection
process, and carefully studied the skill levels of the potential
workforce before we selected our Alabama site."

Cuneo noted that nearly one-third of the workers at the Huntsville
plant are college graduates and 97 percent have at least a high school
education.

"Huntsville ... is the city that put the first man on the moon,"

Cuneo wrote. "Huntsville ranks second among the top metropolitan areas
in the U.S. for scientists and engineers per capita, and has the
second largest research and technology park in the U.S."

Honda puzzled:

Cuneo said Toyota has already announced two expansions in Huntsville
and will have $490 million invested and employ about 800 when the
projects are completed.

"As you might imagine, that kind of investment is confirmation of the
confidence that we have in our Alabama workforce," he wrote.

Mark Morrison, spokesman for Honda in Lincoln, said he was puzzled by
Fedchun's comments. Honda has invested $1.1 billion in Alabama since
1996 and set company records in establishing operations. The automaker
now has 4,500 employees in the state.

"Obviously, Honda electing to expand its operation before we even got
Line 1 at full capacity speaks volumes of the quality of the workforce
that we have in Alabama," Morrison said.

The Lincoln plant handles all North American production of the
Odyssey minivan, which was once made at Honda's plant in Ontario.

"The goals that we have met and exceeded have been a tribute to the
capability and trainability of our workforce," he said.

`Out of left field':

As for Fedchun's claims that Honda has had to use pictures to train
its workers, Morrison said other than engineering diagrams that all
manufacturers use, that is not true.

"No, we have not had to do that," he said.

Neal Wade, executive director of the Alabama Development Office, said
he and Gov. Bob Riley were made aware of the comments Thursday.

"These comments came out of left field and obviously do not reflect
Toyota's feelings or the feelings of any of the other manufacturers,"
he said.

Fedchun's organization, the Toronto-based Automotive Parts
Manufacturers' Association, has more than 400 members accounting for
90 per cent of independent parts production in Canada.

Ban me if needed, I hate fucking liars!! The price is worth it.

You cant dispute the fact that what he said is true.

Why do you think they DENIED they offer to DOUBLE the incentives made by Cities in the United States?

You are one stupid motherfucker.

"Dennis Cuneo, senior vice president of Toyota's North American operations, took exception to Fedchun's comments in a letter Thursday"

and

As for Fedchun's claims that Honda has had to use pictures to train
its workers, Morrison said other than engineering diagrams that all
manufacturers use, that is not true.

"No, we have not had to do that," he said.

Neal Wade, executive director of the Alabama Development Office, said
he and Gov. Bob Riley were made aware of the comments Thursday.

"These comments came out of left field and obviously do not reflect
Toyota's feelings or the feelings of any of the other manufacturers,"
he said."

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:20:24 PM EDT

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Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

You can call Fedchun a liar all you want (me too for that matter). The fact remains that TOYOTA wanted canadien workers over Americans despite the fact that the money offered was more than doubled. NEWS FLASH! Toyota made the choice not Fedchun.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:21:27 PM EDT

[#11]

The dirtbags working in the factories nowadays have zero pride, lazy and are overpaid. Unions are partly to blame.

- I cant speak for every plant making Craftsman products, however unless things have changed recently Danaher Tool Group wasn't unionized.

Items like the rachets, pry bars, etc were made out in TX while all the sockets are made here in NC. All the packaging of the toolkits is also done here in NC.

Also, Craftsman, KD, and NAPA sockets are all made on the same machines. Only difference is in their heat-treating.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:25:28 PM EDT

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Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

You can call Fedchun a liar all you want (me too for that matter). The fact remains that TOYOTA wanted canadien workers over Americans despite the fact that the money offered was more than doubled. NEWS FLASH! Toyota made the choice not Fedchun.

Don't mind if I do.

You're a motherfucking, misrepresenting liar.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:25:55 PM EDT

[#13]

Whoa.

Right there.

Clean it up, people.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:26:18 PM EDT

[#14]

J'ai fini.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:27:59 PM EDT

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Also, Craftsman, KD, and NAPA sockets are all made on the same machines. Only difference is in their heat-treating.

Sometimes my Craftsman sockets scare me. One time while I was pulling the wheel off one of our vehicles the Craftsman 1/2 drive socket literally exploded.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:28:06 PM EDT

[#16]

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Whoa.

Right there.

Clean it up Backstop

Fixed it for ya.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:28:37 PM EDT

[#17]

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I cant speak for every plant making Craftsman products, however unless things have changed recently Danaher Tool Group wasn't unionized.

Then chalk one up for the good guys.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:36:08 PM EDT

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Whoa.

Right there.

Clean it up Backstop

Fixed it for ya.

You and I really should meet and settle our differences.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:36:09 PM EDT

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Well Fat, you ain’t nothing but a motherfucking liar and a piece of shit.

Gerry Fedchun does not work for Toyota. He is the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association.

You misrepresent the entire Toyota company. Then have the gall to say that factory workers are too stupid.

Go back to your fucking hole in the ground, you motherfucking troll!!

You can call Fedchun a liar all you want (me too for that matter). The fact remains that TOYOTA wanted canadien workers over Americans despite the fact that the money offered was more than doubled. NEWS FLASH! Toyota made the choice not Fedchun.

Don't mind if I do.

You're a motherfucking, misrepresenting liar.

I don’t think you will be working for Toyota very long. With an attitude like yours you won’t fit in very well.

Everyone in San Antonio talks about Toyota like it was their savior and how they were going to get this great job and life will be so much better for them. The VAST majority of applicants were denied employment. Why? Take a guess! You live there. As do I. I would be willing to bet 50% or more wont make it 3 years.

I understand your attitude being from a union and all.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:36:43 PM EDT

[#20]

I think we're getting way off topic here,but one very important reason why Toyota is/will be in Ontario is because it's closer to Toyota's suppliers(which is why GM's Doraville GA plant is on the chopping block,and Ford's Atlanta plant may be too,and why,for the most part,there are no car plants on the East coast,Ford's Norfolk Truck and GMs Wilmington DE plant excepted) JIT is a central theme in Japanese auto manufacturing.

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:37:11 PM EDT

[#21]

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Whoa.

Right there.

Clean it up Backstop

Fixed it for ya.

You and I really should meet and settle our differences.

and how would we do that?

Posted: 1/1/2006 7:38:46 PM EDT

[#22]

Enough. It's a fucking thread about tools. Christ!

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