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Posted: 12/31/2005 6:54:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 6:55:29 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 7:01:57 PM EDT
Winston Churchill was a great man........

One of the world's greatest leaders, makes me proud to trace my lineage back to ol' Britain........

I have his Never Surrender Speech saved on my hard drive....
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 7:04:40 PM EDT

There was further tension with the US over its drain on the UK's food reserves as Europe was liberated and Churchill contemplated how to feed the Dutch, whose country was flooded.

The 'US are battening on our reserves', he said. 'Accumulated by years of self-denial. Now is the time to say firmly [that the] US soldier eats five times what ours does. Our stocks are always raided in an emergency because that is only practicable source. And it is never therefore brought home to US.' Ernest Bevin, the Minister for Labour, floated the idea of shaming the US population into restricting their consumption: 'Make it clear that only their sacrifice can stop the suffering.'



We save their asses from being eternally doomed to be a lonely island off the coast of a Nazi-ruled Europe, and they were honked off about how much our boys ATE?

Underpaid, undersexed, and under Ike = exactly where they belonged.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 7:17:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Winston Churchill believed Adolf Hitler should be executed without trial if he fell into British hands at the end of the Second World War, a view that put the Prime Minister on a collision course with his political allies.
The wartime leader argued passionately in cabinet meetings that Hitler was 'the mainspring of evil' and 'an outlaw', and said trials of top Nazis would simply be a 'farce'. His views contrasted sharply with those of the Russians and Americans who advocated trials to determine the fate of the Nazi leaders.



I agree with Churchill 100%. All of the Nazi 'Officer Corp' should have been lined up against a wall and cut down with machine guns. Instead, many of them were used to gain more intelligence against the Soviets, then when the tide turned they were 'hunted' down as war criminals when we knew where they were all along. Total bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 7:20:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Winston Churchill believed Adolf Hitler should be executed without trial if he fell into British hands at the end of the Second World War, a view that put the Prime Minister on a collision course with his political allies.
The wartime leader argued passionately in cabinet meetings that Hitler was 'the mainspring of evil' and 'an outlaw', and said trials of top Nazis would simply be a 'farce'. His views contrasted sharply with those of the Russians and Americans who advocated trials to determine the fate of the Nazi leaders.



I agree with Churchill 100%. All of the Nazi 'Officer Corp' should have been lined up against a wall and cut down with machine guns. Instead, many of them were used to gain more intelligence against the Soviets, then when the tide turned they were 'hunted' down as war criminals when we knew where they were all along. Total bullshit.



*claps*

[sarcasm]fine upstanding example of American values we have here folks[/sarcasm]

Without trials, we are no better than the Nazis were.

The people who got off easy were the japanese scientists, whose medical experiments would of made Mengele cringe in disgust. They got off easy because we hired them to work for our medical institutions and universities.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:09:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

Originally Posted By C-4:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Winston Churchill believed Adolf Hitler should be executed without trial if he fell into British hands at the end of the Second World War, a view that put the Prime Minister on a collision course with his political allies.
The wartime leader argued passionately in cabinet meetings that Hitler was 'the mainspring of evil' and 'an outlaw', and said trials of top Nazis would simply be a 'farce'. His views contrasted sharply with those of the Russians and Americans who advocated trials to determine the fate of the Nazi leaders.



I agree with Churchill 100%. All of the Nazi 'Officer Corp' should have been lined up against a wall and cut down with machine guns. Instead, many of them were used to gain more intelligence against the Soviets, then when the tide turned they were 'hunted' down as war criminals when we knew where they were all along. Total bullshit.



*claps*

[sarcasm]fine upstanding example of American values we have here folks[/sarcasm]

Without trials, we are no better than the Nazis were.

The people who got off easy were the japanese scientists, whose medical experiments would of made Mengele cringe in disgust. They got off easy because we hired them to work for our medical institutions and universities.



Oh, they should have been hunted down and executed on the spot as well.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:15:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By spartacus2002:

There was further tension with the US over its drain on the UK's food reserves as Europe was liberated and Churchill contemplated how to feed the Dutch, whose country was flooded.

The 'US are battening on our reserves', he said. 'Accumulated by years of self-denial. Now is the time to say firmly [that the] US soldier eats five times what ours does. Our stocks are always raided in an emergency because that is only practicable source. And it is never therefore brought home to US.' Ernest Bevin, the Minister for Labour, floated the idea of shaming the US population into restricting their consumption: 'Make it clear that only their sacrifice can stop the suffering.'



We save their asses from being eternally doomed to be a lonely island off the coast of a Nazi-ruled Europe, and they were honked off about how much our boys ATE?

Underpaid, undersexed, and under Ike = exactly where they belonged.



The British contributed the most as a society, with nearly everyone involved directly in the war effort, and benefitted the least from the post-war outcome. Hell, FDR demanded they give up their empire as a condition for receiving US aid. That made post war recovery harder for them, and the new socialist government of Atlee probably didn't help much either.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:44:02 AM EDT
Towards the end of WWII, Winston Churchill was voted out of office. An act he attibuted to ".... the infinite wisdom" of the British people in his "History of World War Two". Churchill wanted revenge. That's the same type of thinking that lead to the rise of Adolph Hitler in the first place.

England was the biggest loser in WWII. I entered with an empire and ended as a bankrupt island nation. Churchill wanted very much to preserve the British Empire. He has a Victorian view of the world that we would see today as obsolete, racist and elitist. This is not to take anything away from the man as he was also a great and charismatic leader. He had a commanding knowledge of history and was one of the first to see Hitler as a threat to world peace. He could also write to a British commander in North Africa that the hea had heard that the colonial troops from India fought pretty good despite the fact that they were Indian.

His epic six volume "History of the Second World War" make fascinating reading. It definitely has it's prejudices such as the scant one or two sentenced referring to the raid on Dieppe just brushing aside the catastrophe that it was. This from a man who could write chapters on other operations that were successes.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:45:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 6:48:04 AM EDT by Zarathustra1]
I don't consider him to have been all that great of a leader. He was fairly perceptive though.

I would not have wasted time and money on trials either...


Some thoughts from Churchill:


One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.
"Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

Illustrated Sunday Herald

February 8, 1920, page 5

Mr Churchill's authorship of this article has been authenticated by one of the world's leading Churchill bibliographers, Richard Heinzkill, of the University of Eugene, Oregon.

A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People

By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.

SOME people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.

And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honourable and successful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain.

International Jews.

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus--Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

Terrorist Jews.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and an the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution: by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

"Protector of the Jews."

Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people. Wherever General Denikin's authority could reach, protection was always accorded to the Jewish population, and strenuous efforts were made by his officers to prevent reprisals and to punish those guilty of them. So much was this the case that the Petlurist propaganda against General Denikin denounced him as the Protector of the Jews. The Misses Healy, nieces of Mr. Tim Healy, relating their personal experiences in Kieff, have declared that to their knowledge on more than one occasion officers who committed offences against Jews were reduced to the ranks and sent out of the city to the front. But the hordes of brigands by whom the whole vast expanse of the Russian Empire is becoming infested do not hesitate. to gratify their lust for blood and for revenge at the expense of the innocent Jewish population whenever an opportunity occurs. The brigand Makhno, the hordes of Petlura and of Gregorieff, who signalised their every success by the most brutal massacres, everywhere found among the half-stupefied, half-infuriated population an eager response to anti-Semitism in its worst and foulest forms. The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies which are now being perpetrated.

A Home for the Jews.

Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism.

Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.


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