Quoted: *snickers*   Hey bud....   Happy New Year !

Hey JB, stay safe. And please indulge in the fine AZ wimminz

Him - "excuse me, excuse me" Me - "there is no soliciting in this neighborhood" Him - " I am not soliciting. I am asking people if they want to join in on bible readings" Me - "If I did not invite you here, then you are soliciting. Turn around and go" Him - turns around

Excuse me, but I fail to see this as a big inconvienence.

It couldn't have taken more than, what, 10 seconds, and then he was gone.

He didn't act rude to you.  You asked him to leave and he left.

BTW, you are wrong about the definition of "soliciting".  Inviting someone to a free study is not soliciting.

You have the right to be free from being bothered and exercised that right be asking him to leave.

He left.

I don't see the big deal.

You need "NO Tresspassing" signs.

the big deal is when the next day some other ass fills his place. yeah, csont answer the door, whatever.  close the door and they will leave.  nice.

what if i am simply tired of getting my ass up out of bed several times a week after working all night to answer the door and make sure its not one of my kids locked out?  to me its a huge nuisance and there is simply no need for it.


i get knocks from these jerks two to three times a week, and not all are as eager to leave on your wishes as the guy in the main post was.   we even get them at work, where its more than obvious that there is a no soliciting policy.

my point being, i think the concept itself is bullshit and in my mind its on the same level as internet spam, junk mail, and telephone solicitors.   dont think unsolicited advertising should be allowed in a your place of residence, sign or not.    i love being approached by these assholes in every parking lot i am in, usually a former gang member telling me how impoirtant it is that i go listen to the Lord's message he found for himself while he was getting ass raped in hunstville.

why cant they just leave their contact info and unwanted literature in your mailbox or at your doorstep instead of bothering you by knocking? that way they could obviously weed out the individuals that have no interest whatsoever, but thats not their intention.  its their MISSION to bother people that have no interest in what they do, because they are self righteous and have decided that everyone else must follow the same path their narrow little minds has taken.

leave your brochure, and if i suddenly feel the urge to go get on my knees, hold hands and weep with these fucks then i know where to go.

you know, i could invite them in, and have some hardcore porn on the big screen, blasting slayer, and scratching my nuts through my boxers but i have just a little bit more class than that.   telling them to go the fuck away is a much more acceptable response.

If you close the door and stop talking they will leave.

And no-soliciting signs are just an invitation for solicitors to knock on your door.

And lastly, not everyone that comes to your door is tresspassing.  If that was true then millions of milmen would be breaking the law every single day.

I think some of you people are just wound a little tight.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 10 AM is almost midday.While it may be annoying, most people are up and around living their lives by that hour. Its not like they came by at 0600. For some people who work long hours during the week, Saturday and Sunday are their only opportunity to get a good night's sleep. Soliciting on the weekend at any time of day is rude. Or do you mean the people who stay out to 0400 Saturday and Sunday mornings  partying? So what if they do? I've done plenty of both. It's okay to bug them when they're sleeping because someone finds what they're doing at night morally impure or something?

I know all about working odd schedules and having people who are on a "normal"schedule interupt your "odd" schedule. My point is that you can't fault a person on a "routine" schedule for causing an intrusion into your non-routine schedule. Also,I don't have any sympathy for people who stay out til 4 AM whooping it up and then expecting everyone around them to put THEIR lives on hold. I am thinking in particular of a thread a while ago ( mayba  along while ago by now ) about someone bitching that neighbors were mowing their lawns midday on a  Saturday when THEY were trying to sleep in after being out all night.Little sympathy here for that..

Quoted: I was in my garage doin some welding and two of these guys walked up with their little breifcases in hand and just stood there until I was finished welding.I noticed that the whole time they were standing there they were watching the ARC as I welded.I think after they left there were now 2 blind bible solicitors.

Quoted: Inviting you to a bible study! How terrible! How rude! How unfriendly! How uncaring! You should have shot him for trespassing! $10 bucks say that guy would be the only person in your area that would pull over to help your pregnant wife with car trouble. I've got another $10 bucks that says you would have been happy to see him if he were giving away free tickets to a an event or game of your choice. Yeah, those damn Christians are so thoughtless.

+1

Open the door with an AR and a WTF do you want? Fuck the bible thumpers, you wake me up? i will do with you what i please. YOU DO NOT GO BANGING ON DOORS ON THE WEEKEND,PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP.

Quoted: If you close the door and stop talking they will leave. And no-soliciting signs are just an invitation for solicitors to knock on your door. And lastly, not everyone that comes to your door is tresspassing.  If that was true then millions of milmen would be breaking the law every single day. I think some of you people are just wound a little tight.

Step out the door in you joe boxers,light up a smoke and as they are running it down to you keep looking over their shoulder like there is somthing sneaking up the side walk behind them.

When they look back to see what you are so damned concerned about run inside and slam the door and lock it.

They won't be hanging around very long.

My attitude towards door-bangers & bell ringers is this;

If I didn't invite you, Haul Ass.  



not very "Christian" of me?   tough shit.  

Nope, I work nights.

When I feel really evil I will ask them a series of questions  with commentary.

"Is your church 501C3 tax exempt?"
"Did you know that your church had to become a corporation to get that tax exemption?"
"Who creates corporations?"
"Have you ever asked your pastor/priest/etc who to vote for?"
"You should you will find that his master isn't God/Jesus/etc".
"Why are you bothering me about God/Jesus/etc when you don't even know WHO YOU SERVE!"
"I don't need to find God/Jesus YOU DO!"

And close the door.
I never get repeats.

h=85%

Quoted: 10 AM is almost midday.While it may be annoying, most people are up and around living their lives by that hour. Its not like they came by at 0600.

yep

Recently we had twelve inches of snow which closed all area schools and many business.

I could not believe my eyes when I saw two JW's, one carrying two briefcases and the other a snow shovel!  I guess they were taking advantage of the weather to catch families at home.

i'm way too polite to those people.  i usually just kindly turn them down.

my brother, however, isn't quite the same way.  the last time bible thumpers showed up, he told them he couldn't talk because his wife and her girlfriend were in the bedroom fucking, and he had to go get in on it

They don't knock on my door anymore,since..."The incident".I guess news travels fast among them,they must have computers, email or even Nextels.Actually,I kinda miss them coming over and talking to me,they were my friends.

I just politely say "No thank" you and go on with my life.

I'll never understand why people let little things like this bother them that much. I am not a religious person at all but I know I don't like it when someone is rude to me so I try not to do it to anybody else.

I work with a JW and my direct supervisor is a JW and they are 2 of the best people I have ever worked with. They don't hassle anybody and I have sat and asked many questions about their religion. They have some good points but I told him he lost me on the not taking blood and not fighting for your country. I respect them because they strongly believe and have faith in something better. I struggle with faith.

Quoted: Quoted: 10 AM is almost midday.While it may be annoying, most people are up and around living their lives by that hour. Its not like they came by at 0600. For some people who work long hours during the week, Saturday and Sunday are their only opportunity to get a good night's sleep. Soliciting on the weekend at any time of day is rude.

10am is when I am going to bed after working 10p-8a..... they would get a very cranky me.
Which is actually, 1/2 hr from now.

No Expert

Quoted: In a city neighborhood with a posted no soliciting ordinance, when a solicitor chooses to continue to solicit despite being informed directly of the ordinance, one tends to question the real motivation involved.  If they need my assistance that is another issue. I don't need theirs. I never asked them to come to my congregation, and I don't expect to be chastised into theirs. Any uninvited stranger on your property is always at least a nuisance of not a possible threat.

My experience with people doing this in posted "No soliciting" areas.... is the same as th initial poster's... they claim they are "Not soliciting"...as they are not selling anything and believe they are doing "the lord's work".

as as another guy said.... they will come back, over and over.  My sister once when she was a teenager living at home gave them her name... each time they came back they would aske for her by name and annoy our parents.

My mother finally had the idea to but a sign on the mailbos...which I recreated later for my own house, it said simply:

"I respect your choise of religion, please have the courtesy to respect mine. Do not knock on the door. Do not ring the bell. Thank you"

It works.

No Expert

Quoted: You need "NO Tresspassing" signs.

And a large, mastiff like dog, frothing at the mouth on your front porch.

When I had my Mastiff, they (all solicitors, not just the religious ones) quickly got the hint and left without being asked.  Something about a 200# dog barking VERY LOUDLY at them really motivates them to get off public property.

Actually, my two current greyhounds are pretty effective too.  The FedEx man practically tosses the packages and runs away.  Heh heh heh.

Geoff

Quoted: They have changed the wording in the Bible to make it work for them.

And of course the James VI "translation" is perfect I suppose - the true word of God.

Quoted: My wife is near the end of her pregnancy, strict bed rest. I go to work this am and pick up breakfast on the way home. Park my car and as I am opening my door BBMuslim "student" rushes up my driveway and starts soliciting: Him - "excuse me, excuse me Allah Akbar" Me - "there is no soliciting in this neighborhood" Him - " I am not soliciting. I am asking people if they want to join in on bible readingsMohammed Jihad" Me - "If I did not invite you here, then you are soliciting. Turn around and go" Him - "Dirka, Dirka" This happened at 10am. Nothing is cool at 10am on a weekend, let alone on a holiday weekend. Weekends are MY time. Not anyone elses.

Maybe this is more palatable for the religiously inclined

Quoted: Excuse me, but I fail to see this as a big inconvienence. It couldn't have taken more than, what, 10 seconds, and then he was gone. He didn't act rude to you.  You asked him to leave and he left.

At initiation of contact I made it quite clear he was unwelcome, yet he persisted both verbally and continued to approach toward me

BTW, you are wrong about the definition of "soliciting".  Inviting someone to a free study is not soliciting.

According to city ordinance, solicitation is not limited to activities garnering monetary remuneration, but social, political, and belief oriented participation as well. It is quite clear.


I am quite surprised that this thread continues, mainly fueled by the religious aspect of the issue. The religious part was completely irrelevant to my concerns, which were more related to strangers intruding into my driveway under the pretense of "not soliciting" in a "no solicitation" community. It seems to be a convenient way to case some houses.

Just curious about how you guys would see me:

I am a special agent that conducts background investigations for DoD security clearances, mainly in Brooklyn and 'da Bronx', but going door to door nonetheless in a jacket and tie with a notepad and my badge and creds handy (probably makes a nice bullseye for a jihadist) as the usual methodology.  Some 10% of the time I have to explain through a closed door that I am not a JW, etc., another 10% of the time that I am NOT selling anything except their country's security.  I don't start "doing neighborhoods" until after 9 on weekdays, and they don't know I'm coming.  

Quoted: I am quite surprised that this thread continues, mainly fueled by the religious aspect of the issue. The religious part was completely irrelevant to my concerns, which were more related to strangers intruding into my driveway under the pretense of "not soliciting" in a "no solicitation" community. It seems to be a convenient way to case some houses.

And you sir, are being dishonest.

You are "surprised" at the "religious aspect of the issue"?

No, you're not.

Look at your chosen title to the thread:  "Bible beaters soliciting my house this morning at 10am- WTF?"

See?

You are the one that brought "religion" into the discussion.

If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant.

They dropped by when I worked nights and woke me up, I answered the dor really pissed, they didnt came back for 2 years.

Quoted:\ If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant.

People who solicit door to door are the only TRUE WORD OF GOD? By denying the counsel of the street pulpit then I am by a hater of Christians? Seems like an INCREDIBLE stretch of deductive logic. Time for me to go prepare pigs' blood and chicken heads for my noontime sermon as the Memorial Village High Priest of Santeria.

Quoted: ... If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant.

My church never taught me that ringing peoples' doorbells was a requirement for accepting Christ as one's personal savior.

Quoted: Quoted: ... If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant. My church never taught me that ringing peoples' doorbells was a requirement for accepting Christ as one's personal savior.

Mine neither.

But my quote has been taken out of context.

Please note what I originally wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I am quite surprised that this thread continues, mainly fueled by the religious aspect of the issue. The religious part was completely irrelevant to my concerns, which were more related to strangers intruding into my driveway under the pretense of "not soliciting" in a "no solicitation" community. It seems to be a convenient way to case some houses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you sir, are being dishonest. You are "surprised" at the "religious aspect of the issue"? No, you're not. Look at your chosen title to the thread: "Bible beaters soliciting my house this morning at 10am- WTF?" See? You are the one that brought "religion" into the discussion. If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant.

See?

I was discussing his dishonest protest that:

"I am quite surprised that this thread continues, mainly fueled by the religious aspect of the issue. The religious part was completely irrelevant to my concerns,..."

His thread title assured him that religion would be an aspect of the discussion.  He first brought it up, not me.

For a long time the local JW family would park outside and send thier 15-16 year old son in to pass out literature and sometimes he would talk a little...not a bad kid, and always polite, but one day I deceided to tell him "Let me tell you a little about an organization I am a believer in and give you some literature" and I grabbed some Army recruiting brochures off the counter.

Parents never brought him back by for some reason.

There is a special place in hell for solicitors, both door to door, and telphonic.  

If anyone comes knocking at my door without an invitation to peddle some product...they get one polite request to leave my property.  I don't care what your selling, Allah, tupperwear, Jesus, or edible underwear (true story from college.)  If I have to repeat myself, the second time isn't so polite.

My last apartment had a no-soliciting sign on the freaking door, but they'd still knock.  That sign, counted as my polite "pound sand" request.  Once I opened the door, it was game on.

.

I dont like people who come to my house uninvited, I usually fire the FOGAS(well mentally ateast)!!! The JW and Mormons are pushy, apparently if I dont believe in their New Bible I cant get to heaven and that just sets me off.

Quoted: Quoted: Excuse me, but I fail to see this as a big inconvienence. It couldn't have taken more than, what, 10 seconds, and then he was gone. He didn't act rude to you.  You asked him to leave and he left. At initiation of contact I made it quite clear he was unwelcome, yet he persisted both verbally and continued to approach toward me BTW, you are wrong about the definition of "soliciting".  Inviting someone to a free study is not soliciting. According to city ordinance, solicitation is not limited to activities garnering monetary remuneration, but social, political, and belief oriented participation as well. It is quite clear. I am quite surprised that this thread continues, mainly fueled by the religious aspect of the issue. The religious part was completely irrelevant to my concerns, which were more related to strangers intruding into my driveway under the pretense of "not soliciting" in a "no solicitation" community. It seems to be a convenient way to case some houses.

The Supreme Court has ruled (U.S. v. Kokinda) that soliciting IS limited to activities garnering monetary remuneration.  They ruled that people who pass out materials and ask for donations ARE considered soliciters and can be banned(think Hari Krishnas in airports a few years ago).  People who simply pass out materials or invite you to their church are NOT.  The text of the ruling:

"As residents of metropolitan areas know from daily experience, confrontation by a person asking for money disrupts passage and is more intrusive and intimidating than an encounter with a person giving out information.  One need not ponder the contents of a leaflet or pamphlet in order mechanically to take it out of someone's hand, but one must listen, comprehend, decide and act in order to respond to a solicitation."

The context of this ruling was an ordinance prohibiting solicitation at a Post Office.  As long as the "Bible-beaters" are on public property they are within their first amendment rights.  Now, when they step on your property it becomes a tresspassing issue, not one of solicitation.  

I'm not a lawyer, but as a preacher I do sometimes make calls on people in the neighborhood.  Most recently we handed out copies of the Gospel of John to people in our town.  Obviously, we skipped any places with "No Tresspassing" signs.

Personally, when the Mormon's and JW's come to my door I listen politely and ask questions about their faith.  Generally, I know more about it than they do and it can be quite fun.  For example, most Mormon's don't realize that when Joseph Smith was "martyred" he and his companion were both armed and Joseph got off 4 rounds.  IIRC he scored 4 hits on 4 people, but it was such a wimpy pistol all 4 survived.  Also there is quite a bit of debate among historians about who shot first.

When we were handing out our materials and people would indicate they were not interested, we'd say "Have a nice day" and move on.  If they indicated they were a member of a church, I would say "Tell pastor __________, hi"  

My .02.

I answer the door naked.

Quoted: If you hate "Bible Beaters", AKA "Christians", like myself, then at least be man enough to be honest about it in your rant.

A "bible beater" may be a Christian, but a Christian is not necessarily a "bible beater".

They definitely don't mean the same thing to anyone I know, although the original group that the "bible beater" phrase probably defined has been expanded to include just about anyone who pushes religion without an invitation.

Jim