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Posted: 12/30/2005 6:30:25 PM EDT
This should be good. gun control, the myth... right now on 20/20
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:37:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 11:02:36 PM EDT by RockHard13F]
Doesn't start til 9 MST. I was very impressed. We need more reporters like that.


-Ben
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:38:24 PM EDT
John Stossel is the man!!!

Guns used 700,000 times a year in self-defense.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:38:31 PM EDT
John Stossel is the man!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:38:48 PM EDT
I won't spoil it for you but it's a must see......I just saw it....

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:39:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 6:39:37 PM EDT by ixy]
just watched

can't believe that was an Disney/ABC broadcast



ps thanks for the heads up
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:39:59 PM EDT
Amen!! A conservative in the media!!!

Wish there were more.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:40:04 PM EDT
A news journalist with some balls... I love it
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:40:29 PM EDT
Damn. Did I miss it?
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:40:34 PM EDT
Somebody copy it & post it in divx please!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:40:45 PM EDT
Thanks for the reminder......I just set my DVR to record it!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:41:15 PM EDT
Details please........Some of us are at work right now!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:43:19 PM EDT
CDC cannot show that gun control has decreased crime.

Criminals buy guns off the streets, not gun shops.

Most states are passing CCW.

just a few of the highlights.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:43:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By soowah:
Details please........Some of us are at work right now!



Quick report... Very well done...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:44:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sabretooth:
CDC cannot show that gun control has decreased crime.

Criminals buy guns off the streets, not gun shops.

Most states are passing CCW.

just a few of the highlights.




those are highlights, indeed!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:45:26 PM EDT
my favorite was the convicts that said they were more afraid of a citizen with a gun than police....
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:45:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shooterken:
A news journalist with some balls... I love it



He's the only one. He doesn't pull punches, regardless which side of the aisle he is takinga shot at. His journalistic integrity has been pretty solid for many years.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:47:13 PM EDT
He's cleaning the tree-hugger's clocks, too!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:47:25 PM EDT
Stossel is making the tree huggers look like fools.

IM LOVIN THIS!!!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:48:35 PM EDT
(correct if i'm wrong on this)

Stossel quoted statistics which indicate that the majority of "gun violence"
is justified self-defense
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:48:47 PM EDT
more forest now than in 1929.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:49:35 PM EDT
That was refreshing for a change, I missed it last time around but I'm glad I got home from work early enough to catch it.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:51:40 PM EDT
My wife isn't anti-gun but I wouldn't call here pro gun either. This report helped open her eyes.

Very well done.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:52:59 PM EDT
GRRRR!!! All I got to see was a bunch of hairy shirtless old guys swimming in cold water!!!!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:55:38 PM EDT
NICE! We need more journalists with ethics and common sense.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:57:18 PM EDT
maybe we could take this opportunity to take a friend shooting
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:59:09 PM EDT
Good Job, Truth being said....finally.

Me, my 11 year old daughter and 6 year old son are joining the Polar Bear Club Sunday!!!!!!
Wife thinks we are nuts....LOL

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:00:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
(correct if i'm wrong on this)

Stossel quoted statistics which indicate that the majority of "gun violence"
is justified self-defense



Almost all the data collected by the CDC is cumulitave. Meaning ALL shootings including LEO involved shoots, suicide, murder and self-defense are loaded into the database. I don't know but I would suspect that LEO shoots would be considered self defense. <shrug> It would be interesting to see the breakdown though.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:02:12 PM EDT
I had the GREAT pleasure of hearing John Stossel speak at the 25th Anniversary of the Cato Institute.

Oh, look, they even mentioned the show!

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:04:44 PM EDT
Too bad I missed it
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:06:08 PM EDT
Out-F'in-Standing.... the whole show was great. About damn time.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:09:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:

Originally Posted By soowah:
Details please........Some of us are at work right now!



Quick report... Very well done...





SLOW DOWN! TOO MUCH INFO! YOU SHOULD CUT THAT DOWN FOR US WITH A.D.D!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:09:29 PM EDT
Anyone know if it will be reaired for those of us who missed it? If so date and time? Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:09:50 PM EDT
Lets show our support of this guy. Check out this link
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/forum?start=0&forumID=17&byThread=true
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:10:46 PM EDT
Missed it I was busy driving to work.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:11:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shooterken:
Lets show our support of this guy. Check out this link



made hot!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 7:12:44 PM EDT
Thanks bulldog1967




Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By shooterken:
Lets show our support of this guy. Check out this link



made hot!

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 9:25:42 PM EDT
Speaking of doing the polar bear....coldest swim ever was 32 degrees in the meltwater pool of a glacier at 13,000 feet above Simplon Pass, Switzerland, on a dare. Lasted about 2.5 minutes...an eternity treading water while stuttering 't-t-t-t-take the bl-bl-bloody ph-ph-photo gr-graph you i-i-nimcompoop!

Also witnessed Swiss helos delivering what looked like boxes of provisions to fixed positions on the side of apparently sheer clifts... the Swiss are still well armed- insanely well armed... come TEOTWAWKI, they will be OK 1, 2, maybe 3 years post event, eating fresh bread, eating cheese and drinking fine wines while the rest of EU implodes in 3rd world savagery.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 9:47:03 PM EDT
The FBI has police shootings and non-police self-defense shooting stats in their UCR each year, if you want the raw numbers.

Stossel's book is good too, although brief and light on details. Basically the rest of broadcast "journalists" don't like him anymore...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 9:47:37 PM EDT
From John Stossel's "Myths, Lies, and Straight Talk"



http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123606



MYTH # 5 — Guns Are Always Bad for Us

America is notorious for its culture of gun violence. Guns sometimes do cause terrible harm, and many kids are killed every year in gun accidents. But public service announcements and news stories make it seem as if the accidents kill thousands of kids every year.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, fewer than 100 kids 15 and under are killed in gun accidents every year. Of course that's horrible, and I understand why demonstrators say we need more gun control.

But guess what? The Centers for Disease Control recently completed a review of studies of various types of gun control: background checks, waiting periods, bans on certain guns and ammunition. It could not document that these rules have reduced violent crime.

The government wants to say regulations and laws like the Brady Gun Control Law are making a difference, but they aren't. Some maximum security felons I spoke to in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them.

A Justice Department study confirmed what the prisoners said. But get this: the felons say that the thing they fear the most is not the police, not time in prison, but, you, another American who might be armed.

It's a reason many states are passing gun un-control. They're allowing citizens to carry guns with them, it's called concealed carry or right to carry. Some women say they're comforted by these laws.

But many people, including Rev. Al Sharpton, are horrified at the idea of concealed carry laws, and predict mayhem if all states adopt these laws.

But surprise, 36 states already have concealed carry laws; and not one reported an upsurge in gun crime.



**********

Steve

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:36:39 PM EDT
TRUE gun control is hitting what you are aiming at.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:41:40 PM EDT
Im just tuning in, got back from that Giesha movie and it was good. Opened this thread and found out about the show half way into it, if it comes back on tonight Ill record the whole thing.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:26:46 AM EDT
Hopefully someone will cap this and get a torrent going
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:10:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 11:13:25 AM EDT by ACK]
Check this out:

ABC Stossel's messabe board

This is fun stuff. I like the comment where an anti gunner is challenged to place a sign in front of their home proclaiming it as a "GUN FREE HOME" LOL
Anti Gunners are getting smacked.

We have "Protected by S&W, COLT, GLOCK..." I've get to see a "GUN FREE HOME" posted anywhere.

The ABC forum appears to be a good soap box for our cause. Please join the forum and see if we can make a difference or get banned

Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:17:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
Amen!! A conservative in the media!!!

Wish there were more.



Actually, he's a Libertarian. I remember him saying on a show once that hookers and drugs should be legal. I wish I could've saw this 20/20.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:37:07 AM EDT
Copy and Paste for story


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123606
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:43:30 AM EDT
I like this...this is great, as it is bringing out the anti's to get properly trounced in an open forum instead of either side preaching to the choir on our respective websites.

Oh the sweet sound of blood vessels popping in a libtard's head resonating over the interweb.



Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:53:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
John Stossel is the man!



Yes he is!
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 11:53:45 AM EDT
Gotta tag this.
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