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Posted: 12/30/2005 2:24:23 PM EDT
U.S. Census: South Carolina "Most Violent" State
ASHLEY ROWLAND
Chattanooga Times Free Press



Tennessee is the fourth-most violent state in the nation, and many other southern states aren't far behind, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

But local law enforcement officials and experts say the rankings don't mean Chattanooga or Knoxville are more dangerous than larger cities such as New York City or Detroit.

"They're not meant to compare one city to another as much as to show trends in overall areas," Knoxville FBI spokesman Gary Kidder said.

Most states in the Southeast ranked among the top 25 states in per-capita violent crime, including South Carolina at No. 1, Florida at No. 2, Louisiana at No. 7, North Carolina at No. 20, Georgia at No. 21 and Alabama at No. 22.

The census list was compiled using FBI crime statistics from 2003.

In Tennessee, 730 violent crimes were committed per 100,000 residents. Those crimes included murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

South Carolina had 794 violent crimes per 100,000 residents. North Dakota, the least violent state, had 78 violent crimes per 100,000 residents, according to the Census Bureau.

Jean O'Neal, director of research for the National Crime Prevention Council, said the rankings don't give a clear picture of how bad crime is in an area.

"People who understand those numbers are very leery of playing that kind of ranking game," she said.

Ms. O'Neal said some police departments and states don't report their crime statistics to the FBI, and many crimes go unreported. And if community leaders -- mayors, police chiefs, or prosecutors -- begin pushing for residents to report crimes, there may be a surge in the number of offenses on the books, she said.

Hamilton County Sheriff John Cupp said he was surprised by Tennessee's ranking.

"As I travel about the country, I see lots of violence in other places and in larger cities. I just don't hear that much from other (Tennessee) sheriffs when I meet with them," he said.

Chattanooga Police Chief Steve Parks said he wasn't familiar with the statistics behind the rankings, and that Chattanooga had a "pretty good year, crimewise" in 2003.

The South always has had higher rates of violent crime than the rest of the country, said Roger Thompson, associate professor of criminal justice at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. He listed more people owning guns and the state's warm climate as reasons.

"People can be out and about and sociable far more in the Southern states than they can in the Northern states," he said. "We can be outside 12 months out of the year, whereas in Iowa, they are hibernating."

Still, Dr. Thompson questioned the rankings. He said there isn't a uniform system for reporting crime data, and politics could affect what some cities report.

"I find it hard to believe that California, New York and other states are not out there in the lead," he said. "I can't imagine that we are far and above other urban centers that are more active in criminal activity."

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:38:29 PM EDT
It should be well established by the article how little the results being given by the article actually mean.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:45:18 PM EDT


U.S. Census: South Carolina "Most Violent" State
ASHLEY ROWLAND
Chattanooga Times Free Press


The South always has had higher rates of violent crime than the rest of the country, said Roger Thompson, associate professor of criminal justice at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. He listed more people owning guns and the state's warm climate as reasons.



Or maybe the answer lies in your regions demographics.


"People can be out and about and sociable far more in the Southern states than they can in the Northern states," he said. "We can be outside 12 months out of the year, whereas in Iowa, they are hibernating."





That doesn't much account for the high crime rates in northern cities now does it?

Another socialist jerkoff talking out his PC ass.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:48:27 PM EDT
SC? Violent?

What a load of horeshit! I oughta drive up to Chatanooga, and kick this moron's teeth down their fucking throat, the stupid sack of shi...

I mean...uh...never mind. We're a peace-lovin' bunch down here. Really.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:48:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
U.S. Census: South Carolina "Most Violent" State
ASHLEY ROWLAND
Chattanooga Times Free Press



Tennessee is the fourth-most violent state in the nation, and many other southern states aren't far behind, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.....


....In Tennessee, 730 violent crimes were committed per 100,000 residents. Those crimes included murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.








Of course, if you remove Memphis and its crime from the report, Tennessee is one of the safest states in the US.





Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:52:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
U.S. Census: South Carolina "Most Violent" State
ASHLEY ROWLAND
Chattanooga Times Free Press



Tennessee is the fourth-most violent state in the nation, and many other southern states aren't far behind, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.....


....In Tennessee, 730 violent crimes were committed per 100,000 residents. Those crimes included murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.








Of course, if you remove Memphis and its crime from the report, Tennessee is one of the safest states in the US.








Remove Miami, Tampa and Ft. Myers from Fl and things change dramatically.
ESPECIALLY Miami.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:20:28 PM EDT
How shall I put this so as to be politically correct... Let's just say the violence is localized and doesn't spill out (for the most part). It doesn't spill out because concealed carry is a right.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:23:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:


"People can be out and about and sociable far more in the Southern states than they can in the Northern states," he said. "We can be outside 12 months out of the year, whereas in Iowa, they are hibernating."





That doesn't much account for the high crime rates in northern cities now does it?

Another socialist jerkoff talking out his PC ass.



He is right to a degree. When its hot and muggy out, there are a lot more problems than there are when its subzero and everyones staying inside just trying to stay warm.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:28:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

"People can be out and about and sociable far more in the Southern states than they can in the Northern states," he said. "We can be outside 12 months out of the year, whereas in Iowa, they are hibernating."

That doesn't much account for the high crime rates in northern cities now does it?

Another socialist jerkoff talking out his PC ass.


+1.

What a dipshit. Hello??? Chicago, Boston, Washingto D.C. and NYC ring a bell???
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:30:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
He is right to a degree. When its hot and muggy out, there are a lot more problems than there are when its subzero and everyones staying inside just trying to stay warm.


In the same way I'm right when I say crime is much lower in New Orleans right now due to bad weather this fall.

So what? Is this some sort of revelation?
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:30:40 PM EDT
In SC where my uncle was killed they got off pretty light
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:31:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:


"People can be out and about and sociable far more in the Southern states than they can in the Northern states," he said. "We can be outside 12 months out of the year, whereas in Iowa, they are hibernating."





That doesn't much account for the high crime rates in northern cities now does it?

Another socialist jerkoff talking out his PC ass.



He is right to a degree. When its hot and muggy out, there are a lot more problems than there are when its subzero and everyones staying inside just trying to stay warm.



To a degree. No doubt there are crime spikes in hot weather but that is not all that ccounts for criminal activity.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:37:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
In SC where my uncle was killed they got off pretty light



When I lived in SC(3 1/2 years) one of my friends was murdered right in front of me.
The incident was definitely racially motivated but my friend was white and the perps were black. The one who stabbed him got 2 1/2 years.
It got 3 paragraphs on page 4 of the local paper.

FWIW, it happened on a cool night in October.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:45:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
He listed more people owning guns and the state's warm climate as reasons.



Ban sub-tropical climates... for the children!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:54:50 PM EDT
Here's an important factoid to consider.

How many crimes in large urban areas go unreported?

Big city folks don't even bother calling in a LOT of things. I remember living in downtown Ft. Lauderdale and nobody would call in crack dealers and prositutes because they were so common. In SC I bet the cops get called for loud music.

Also in big cities, as it is here with Sheriff Ken Jenne, there is a strong push to NOT start a case file unless they HAVE TO. When I was attacked by pit bulls a couple years ago the responding officer didn't want to start a case because I managed to not get bit.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 4:04:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 4:05:05 PM EDT by thompsondd]
Did anybody mention the fact that no one lives in any other part of the country anymore???? About 75% of the current population of the modern south is transplants which starting moving here in the late 70s / early 80s and continue to pour in like Mexicans crossing into Texas and Kali????

And they moved / are moving here because of all the NICE reasons the South has to offer.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:24:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 5:24:59 PM EDT by legonas]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Here's an important factoid to consider.

How many crimes in large urban areas go unreported?

Big city folks don't even bother calling in a LOT of things. I remember living in downtown Ft. Lauderdale and nobody would call in crack dealers and prositutes because they were so common. In SC I bet the cops get called for loud music.

Also in big cities, as it is here with Sheriff Ken Jenne, there is a strong push to NOT start a case file unless they HAVE TO. When I was attacked by pit bulls a couple years ago the responding officer didn't want to start a case because I managed to not get bit.



i know for a fact they do. people dont do that everywhere?

is the defination of a violent crime the same in SC as it is everywhere? are things like CDV considered violent crimes?

and then some internet research...

"In the year 2000 South Carolina had an estimated population of 4,012,012 which ranked the state as having the 26th in population. For that year the State of South Carolina had a total Crime Index of 5,221.4 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 5th highest total Crime Index. For Violent Crime South Carolina had a reported incident rate of 804.9 per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 2nd highest occurrence for Violent Crime among the states. For crimes against Property, the state had a reported incident rate of 4,416.5 per 100,000 people, which ranked as the state 9th highest. Also in the year 2000 South Carolina had 5.8 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 18th highest rate for Murder. South Carolina’s 37.7 reported Forced Rapes per 100,000 people, ranked the state 18th highest. For Robbery, per 100,000 people, South Carolina’s rate was 146.6 which ranked the state as having the 14th highest for Robbery. The state also had 614.8 Aggravated Assaults for every 100,000 people, which indexed the state as having the 1st highest position for this crime among the states. For every 100,000 people there were 969.3 Burglaries, which ranks South Carolina as having the 7th highest standing among the states. Larceny - Theftwas reported 3,068.1 times per hundred thousand people in South Carolina which standing is the 9th highest among the states. Vehicle Theft occurred 379.0 times per 100,000 people, which fixed the state as having the 23rd highest for vehicle theft among the states. " www.disastercenter.com/crime/sccrime.htm
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:04:38 AM EDT
Its hard for violent crime to go under reported. Anytime a victim seeks treatment at a hospital or from the fire department/paramedics the police are notified. If it was a violent crime with injuries requiring medical care the police are going to find out about it.


Stuff like petty vandalism, simple assaults(bar fights), theft from vehicles go unreported/undereported.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:08:55 AM EDT
We shoots motherfuckers down here.

Fuck with us.





Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:12:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 6:12:54 AM EDT by Carter226]
HRMMM.......TN 4th. Its really quite nice up in these parts. He has his head up his ass......
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:22:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
How shall I put this so as to be politically correct... Let's just say the violence is localized and doesn't spill out (for the most part). It doesn't spill out because concealed carry is a right.

yup
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:39:51 AM EDT
This one happened in Myrtle Beach; shot in the head in a bar fight.

www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4305363
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 1:22:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 7:40:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
[To a degree. No doubt there are crime spikes in hot weather but that is not all that ccounts for criminal activity.


AllI can tell you is the call volume jumps in the summer. You can theorize what the explaination for that would be.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 7:51:39 PM EDT
AllI can tell you is the call volume jumps in the summer. You can theorize what the explaination for that would be.


well, duh, its all the violent northerners coming down for vacation, of course.
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