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Posted: 12/29/2005 5:42:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:47:59 PM EDT
they're just practicing to be ready in the event of an economic downturn.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:48:06 PM EDT
Ohhh yea man......technology sucks, it's ruining the world man.....BTW, here's our website that you need a computer to see.
A computer that generated waste being made, is a throw away item and needs energy to work.
Yea man, go green man.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:53:58 PM EDT
You know, they did say one thing I agree with.

If we took the soy beans our farmers grow and press the soy oil out of it, then take the non-food corn and make ethenol, mix the two to make green diesel, we could still sell the soy paste left over to sell as food overseas AND reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as helping our environment.

I can't say I have a problem with that at all. Personally, I think this mode of fuel creation has been too long overlooked.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:10:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cwickgo9:
You know, they did say one thing I agree with.

If we took the soy beans our farmers grow and press the soy oil out of it, then take the non-food corn and make ethenol, mix the two to make green diesel, we could still sell the soy paste left over to sell as food overseas AND reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as helping our environment.

I can't say I have a problem with that at all. Personally, I think this mode of fuel creation has been too long overlooked.



Probably because it's a net energy loser.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:14:16 PM EDT
Some of their points are good, but the problem with folks that "into" an alternative lifestyle is that they begin to address their beliefs with religious fervor, and expect that they can dictate to you what you can buy. Folks like that managed to keep new retail development in my town at bay for years, forcing people to drive to neighboring communities for many goods commonly available elsewhere.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:16:39 PM EDT
Damnit I hate a hippy.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:17:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:20:56 PM EDT by Headlice]


^
Do you have to look like you rolled out of a dumpster to be a freegan?

ETA: Holy crap. They actually have a picture gallery titled "Pictures of Dumpstered Goodies"....this is food they dig out of garbages and eat.

Link to the pics: freegan.info/?page=Pictures
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:36:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By cwickgo9:
You know, they did say one thing I agree with.

If we took the soy beans our farmers grow and press the soy oil out of it, then take the non-food corn and make ethenol, mix the two to make green diesel, we could still sell the soy paste left over to sell as food overseas AND reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as helping our environment.

I can't say I have a problem with that at all. Personally, I think this mode of fuel creation has been too long overlooked.



Probably because it's a net energy loser.



Costs more energy to produce than what it produces?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:37:59 PM EDT
yep. the EROEI (energy returned on energy invested) is negative. to grow all those soybeans, you need fertilizer, water, pesticides, diesel for the tractors, etc etc etc.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:42:28 PM EDT
Gee, hard to imagine somebody throwing this away...



Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:27:29 PM EDT


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:33:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By cwickgo9:
You know, they did say one thing I agree with.

If we took the soy beans our farmers grow and press the soy oil out of it, then take the non-food corn and make ethenol, mix the two to make green diesel, we could still sell the soy paste left over to sell as food overseas AND reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as helping our environment.

I can't say I have a problem with that at all. Personally, I think this mode of fuel creation has been too long overlooked.



Probably because it's a net energy loser.



Bullshit. Do a Google search on "Life Cycle Inventory on Biodiesel". It's an NREL study by Sheehan et al, BD is much more effiecient, life cycle wise, than petroleum diesel.

Merlin
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:39:09 PM EDT
Damn hippies.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:44:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Ohhh yea man......technology sucks, it's ruining the world man.....BTW, here's our website that you need a computer to see.
A computer that generated waste being made, is a throw away item and needs energy to work.
Yea man, go green man.


Yep, just like all the envirofreak stickers plastered all over some old, smoking, polluting POS car (usually a beat up VW, Volvo, or Subaru).
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:56:07 PM EDT
A rich nation has the luxury of its some of its citizens being completely unproductive and worthless.

At what percentage do we say, "enough," or will our more motivated and tougher enemies eventually do us in as a result of our internal weakness?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:06:46 PM EDT
I like the part about squatters. Oops, the building just caught on fire with all the freegans inside....
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:14:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merlin:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By cwickgo9:
You know, they did say one thing I agree with.

If we took the soy beans our farmers grow and press the soy oil out of it, then take the non-food corn and make ethenol, mix the two to make green diesel, we could still sell the soy paste left over to sell as food overseas AND reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as helping our environment.

I can't say I have a problem with that at all. Personally, I think this mode of fuel creation has been too long overlooked.



Probably because it's a net energy loser.



Bullshit. Do a Google search on "Life Cycle Inventory on Biodiesel". It's an NREL study by Sheehan et al, BD is much more effiecient, life cycle wise, than petroleum diesel.

Merlin



I've posted this before somewhere with links to the data, but the total annual carbon uptake(fixing atmospheric CO2) of all vegetation on the planet is equivelent to about .25% of our annual demand for hydrocarbons.

If biodiesel could sustainably replace petroleum,even by utilizing the entire produce of the planet, Co2 levels in the air wouldn't be rising, because the CO2 emissions would be fixed faster than they were created.

It's all carbon mining, it's just a question of where it's being mined from.

Topsoil is the very worst place to be mining carbon for fuel.

It takes literally millenia to build enough topsoil for agriculture, and we're already running into shortages in agricultural areas because tillage and harvesting depletes it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:16:40 PM EDT
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think they said that they plan on caring for thier families better by being unemployed.hat

Peace man.hippie.gif
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:48:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Damnit I hate a hippy.




personally i dont have a problem with most hippies .

688
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:12:41 AM EDT
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