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Posted: 12/29/2005 5:28:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:37:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:42:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:43:17 PM EDT by thompsondd]


I needed a laugh....
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:48:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:52:34 PM EDT
That's........ uh.........


Wow.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:53:51 PM EDT


wow...straight tactical yo. either the purchaser of that rifle is blind in one and can't see out the other, or well...I don't even know....just yeah. okay.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:55:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:55:56 PM EDT



Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:56:28 PM EDT
Impressive most impressive
I did have a customer have us a mount a 6-24 BSA on a ruger PC9 once
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:57:51 PM EDT
That just might be the hot setup for an entry gun!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:57:54 PM EDT
I wonder if the fella that owns that is a member here bless his heart
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:58:12 PM EDT
OMGWTFLOLBBQ????????!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:58:23 PM EDT
I think I threw up in my mouth a little.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:59:25 PM EDT
Bad Ass.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:05:06 PM EDT by Robert2011]

Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:07:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
A 6-24x scope with a flashlight!



AND a laser.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:08:34 PM EDT
Thats a hardcore WASR 10 sitting there on the counter, I wonder if its got a better trigger (pull, bang!,slap, "ouch!") than any AR too!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:21:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



So Robert, that is a what...... a 4 or 5 minute group? It still can't hold a candle to a well-built AR IMHO.

Flame suit on.....

SRM
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:35:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



My only question is; You're joking right?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:37:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:40:21 PM EDT
[paris hilton]thats hot[/paris hilton]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:42:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SRM:

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



So Robert, that is a what...... a 4 or 5 minute group? It still can't hold a candle to a well-built AR IMHO.

Flame suit on.....

SRM



That's 10 cent Russian ammo. Can anyone do that with 10 cent AR ammo?

That's also a 10rd group, not the BS 3rd groups I see here all the time. How tight are the best 3rds in my target?

That was done with a 3.5x rusky scope, not a $800 Leupy dialed at 10x or more.

If I set up a dozen targets at a time and only shoot 3rd groups it's only a matter of time before I'll have one with them all touching. That's why I shoot 10rd groups, the only true test. That target cost a dollar a shoot! Can your AR beat that for $1 ?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:42:42 PM EDT
Night Predator Calling setup...

You guys need to get out more.

Eric
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:58:27 PM EDT
Can you imagine one of these scopes on that AK?

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:04:21 PM EDT






Who's this one for? Carl?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:07:53 PM EDT
tag


because thats hilarious


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:09:32 PM EDT


Hey. Random gun store pics from a gun store I have actually been to!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:10:02 PM EDT

I've used a 6-20x on AKs when I was doing accuracy testing years ago. I probably would have kept at it except my bolt froze when a defective receiver began disintegrating. It took months to get that AK fixed, so I put the scope on a Ruger 10/22 after that and hit the 300 yard range.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:16:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 7:35:11 PM EDT by Grunteled]

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



I don't want to seem an ass but my used, off the rack, run-of-the-mill, DPMS rifle will easily put 10 rounds into 2". 3" or so with irons and some time. Repeatable and not hard to accomplish. With reloads that shrinks a bit, with Wolf it opens up quite a bit.

Now if that's from a standing or kneeling position then it's pretty good in my estimation. If that's from a bench, it's nothing exciting. If you want pictures of my 10 round groups I can probably dig them up.

Putting a scope like that on an AK is just a waste of money unless you simply can't see target for eyesight reasons, or you for some reason what to know the very limits of the rifles accuracy.

ETA: I'm not dogging your target so don't take it that way.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:22:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Can you imagine one of these scopes on that AK?

www.nightforceoptics.com/full_size/scopes/popup03_benchrest.jpg-4176995f5b391



I wanna put this USO on that AK...

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:24:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:

Originally Posted By SRM:

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



So Robert, that is a what...... a 4 or 5 minute group? It still can't hold a candle to a well-built AR IMHO.

Flame suit on.....

SRM



That's 10 cent Russian ammo. Can anyone do that with 10 cent AR ammo?

That's also a 10rd group, not the BS 3rd groups I see here all the time. How tight are the best 3rds in my target?

That was done with a 3.5x rusky scope, not a $800 Leupy dialed at 10x or more.

If I set up a dozen targets at a time and only shoot 3rd groups it's only a matter of time before I'll have one with them all touching. That's why I shoot 10rd groups, the only true test. That target cost a dollar a shoot! Can your AR beat that for $1 ?



Don't get me wrong, that is a nice group.

Many of the targets I shoot at have a 1MOA x ring and a 2 MOA ten ring. My service rifles have the ability to keep 10 rounds in the x ring (I wish I did). I'll admit that I am using better ammo, but with handloads, the cost is something like $0.15-0.2 per round. I shoot with iron sights.....meaning no glass at all.

I am not that good of shot.....yet. Most of the shooters on the comp board could easily beat me like a red-headed step-child. A top athlete will use the best available gear......ever wonder why no one wins the national championship with an AK?

We are comparing apples to oranges. If you don't mind, I'll e-mail you a couple of practice groups. The load was a 52 grain sierra, 24.5 grains of h335 and a cci primer in lake city brass. Distance was 100 yards, rapid fire prone. This means I started from standing with an unloaded rifle, laid down loaded the rifle, fired two, changed mags, shot the remaining 8 and was done in 70 seconds. Note the first group was out of the black. I made a sight correction and shot the target again.

Come on out and try it!

SRM
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:25:12 PM EDT
Needs that scope to hit the broad side of a barn?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:38:27 PM EDT
How much you wanna bet that the owner of that AK has
a big ass wing bolted on the decklid of his Neon
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:43:29 PM EDT
Between the $300 that he paid for the rifle, the $350 he probably paid for the scope and whatever he paid for all the other shit he could have gotten himself a really nice gun.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:56:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 7:57:04 PM EDT by GiggleSmith]

Originally Posted By nf9648:

Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Can you imagine one of these scopes on that AK?

www.nightforceoptics.com/full_size/scopes/popup03_benchrest.jpg-4176995f5b391



I wanna put this USO on that AK...

img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/scope-eye/01242.jpg

Good idea!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:01:39 PM EDT
Truly, truly funny. My first long arm (I was 27 or 28) was an SKS. I put a Fiberforce, detachable mags, a 3x9x40 Nikon (!) scope, and a shell deflector on the carbine, only to discover that I couldn't hit shit with it at 200 yards.

Perhaps it was the Chinese ammo I was using?


I've learned a couple of things about guns since then.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:29:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:
Truly, truly funny. My first long arm (I was 27 or 28) was an SKS. I put a Fiberforce, detachable mags, a 3x9x40 Nikon (!) scope, and a shell deflector on the carbine, only to discover that I couldn't hit shit with it at 200 yards.



When I posted about my SKS accuracy problems I was told everything from, "I've never seen one that bad," to "It's not the gun it's the shooter." "It's a tack driver," don't you know.

I have three SKS's that sit on the rack because the best I ever got was horrendous at 50 yards.

I also got slapped around for selling off a Vepr that was all over the place at 200 yards. It was also unreliable and that was a bigger factor in its departing from my rack.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:29:22 PM EDT
OK, lemme try.....



SRM
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:39:58 PM EDT
Diane Fienstein would love to fondle that during a press conference...
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:45:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
Diane Fienstein would love to fondle that during a press conference...

I’d like to see a grizzly fondle Fienstein during a press conference.
PETA wouldn’t like that, though.

But, then again, since when do we care about PETA?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:21:56 PM EDT


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:18:20 PM EDT
Ok thats like putting a turbo and nitos system on a GEO Metro
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:00:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
Diane Fienstein would love to fondle that during a press conference...

I’d like to see a grizzly fondle Fienstein during a press conference.
PETA wouldn’t like that, though.

But, then again, since when do we care about PETA?



PETA would only make a stink if she used her CCW against the poor, defenseless, and hungry bear.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:44:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 12:48:09 AM EDT by moneyshot]
Tell the owner next time hes at the range to remove the scope, and chuck it at the target, he'll get better results.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:31:43 AM EDT
The AK with scope is a hoot for sure. But I'm more stunned that someone in this thread is actually implying that they are getting accuracy as good or better from their AK at 100 yards than the average AR will do. One platform is a jeep, the other a sports car. Nothing wrong with the jeep at all if you use it in the manner it's intended, but you don't use a jeep in a road race.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:40:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 7:02:22 AM EDT by garandman]

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Here is one of my 100 yard (yes, 100 yards) AK targets. Yes that's a 10 shot AK group, not a 3 shot AR BS group. Any questions?
www.hunt101.com/img/347541.JPG



Other than the one flyer, your AK is shooting minute of Rosie O's ever expanding butt.

Link Posted: 12/30/2005 6:42:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:

Originally Posted By samsong:
Truly, truly funny. My first long arm (I was 27 or 28) was an SKS. I put a Fiberforce, detachable mags, a 3x9x40 Nikon (!) scope, and a shell deflector on the carbine, only to discover that I couldn't hit shit with it at 200 yards.



When I posted about my SKS accuracy problems I was told everything from, "I've never seen one that bad," to "It's not the gun it's the shooter." "It's a tack driver," don't you know.

I have three SKS's that sit on the rack because the best I ever got was horrendous at 50 yards.

I also got slapped around for selling off a Vepr that was all over the place at 200 yards. It was also unreliable and that was a bigger factor in its departing from my rack.



I've never had an accurate SKS. Both of mine look like that 100yd target at 50yds and that is the best they will do. My friend has a Russian SKS that he can do wonders with. He can shoot it better than his Bushmaster sometimes.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:05:42 PM EDT
Robert2011, you need to bring some of your M14 battle zero targets and shoot with this guy.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193351
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 12:58:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2006 1:10:41 PM EDT by garandman]
The only real way to get decent hit probability and accuracy with the Ak is to ....


....use the bayonet.

Link Posted: 1/1/2006 1:04:59 PM EDT
I Wish I had taken a picture of the 30 rounds of WWB I rapid fired into a 100 yard target a few weeks back all 30 rounds were closer together than that 10 round group.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 1:07:21 PM EDT
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