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Posted: 12/29/2005 9:01:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 9:46:08 AM EDT by elkmontarms]
This may be a dupe. I heard about this list on a talk station today during my lunch. Don't shoot the messenger, I am only listing this because I thought it was a wild read no matter what you think of 9/11/2001. Some of these stories really make you think? God Bless and Happy New Year......


150+ 9/11 Smoking Guns

Found in the Mainstream Media




Last updated: 12/22/05 | http://www.geocities.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html



PLANNED BEFORE, FUTURE IDEAS...

1962 - US military drafted plans (Operation Northwoods) to commit terror in US cities and kill innocent Americans to trick public into supporting war against Cuba. (ABC)

March '01, X-Files spin off show depicts US plot to hijack a Boeing 727 and crash it into WTC to blame foreign terrorists to provoke war. (FOX)



PREPARATION...
'99, NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon. (USA Today)

Oct. '00, Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (Army)

April '01, NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)

Aug '01, Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (Der Spiegel, Raytheon)

Sept. '01, 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for Operation Swift Sword and will help US in attacking OBL. (BBC, Telegraph)

US pulls the plug on Muslim websites days before 9/11. (Guardian)

Sept. 7, Jeb Bush puts the FL National Guard on alert. (MyFlorida.com, WorldNetDaily)

FEMA rescuer says he was deployed to NYC night before 9/11. (CBS video)

FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC the day after 9/11. (9/11 Commission, NYC.gov)

Sept. 11, Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (Connection Newspapers)

Sept 11, an airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (MDW, DC Military)

PRIOR KNOWLEDGE...
Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts three months before 9/11. (CBS)

Sept. 3, author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (Ananova)

Sept. 4, an Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)

Sept. 8, Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (Leatherneck)

Sept. 10, group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of security concerns. (Newsweek)

San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning eight hours before attacks. (SF Chronicle)

Employees at Israeli instant messaging company received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (Haaretz, Washington Post)

Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer) and later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (Telegraph)

White House staff given Cipro on 9/11, full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (Washington Post)

DECOYING, STAND DOWN...
Sept. 9, NORAD conducts operation "Northern Vigilance," planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to the Alaskan region. (NORAD, Toronto Star)

Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission morning of 9/11. (Aviation Week)

Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert on 9/11. (Newsday, USA Today)

US intel agency planned exercise to simulate plane crash into government building morning of 9/11. (Boston Globe, USA Today)

NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (Aviation Week, New York Observer)

FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (FAA, Time)

Shootdown authorization was not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed. (9/11 Commission, Seattle Post)

Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were total of four wargames on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning. (C-SPAN)

WTC ATTACK...
WTC landlord leased the entire WTC complex 6 six weeks before the attacks. (CBS, Washington Times)

WTC officials recently took steps to secure towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center (Newsday)

Two week heightened security alert at WTC is lifted and bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed days before 9/11. (Newsday)

Occupant in WTC says weeks before attacks they had "unusual" amount of evacuations from WTC and says he thinks "they had an inkling something was going on." (Time)

6:47am, WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on an 8 hr TEST mode which any alarms received are ignored. (NIST)

Basement worker of North WTC North hears explosion below him, then a rumble above him, then saw severely burnt man come out of basement elevator. (CNN)

CEO from South WTC is invited to early morning charity event at Offutt AFB hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted to TV by military officers and sees 2nd plane crash into her offices. (Forbes, SF Business Times)

A missile was reportedly launched from the Woolworth Building near the WTC. (NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)

Rudy Giuliani says he was told South WTC was going to collapse. (ABC)

WTC landlord says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to "pull it" and after they "decided to pull," they all watched the 7 collapse. (PBS video)

Four WTC rescuers say they were waited around for WTC 7 to collapse. (New York Times)

The collapse of the 47 story WTC 7 skyscraper hardly gets any media attention. (New York Times)

WTC 7 becomes first steel high-rise building in history to collapse solely from an alleged fire. (Chicago Tribune, Stanford Report)

Passport is found belonging to alleged hijacker who's plane crashed into WTC. (CNN)

Company hired to help clean up Ground Zero is control demolition experts, Controlled Demolition Inc. (Waste Age)

FEMA report concludes specifics of WTC 7 fires and how they caused it to collapse remain unknown and call for further investigation. (FEMA)

WTC surveillance tapes missing. (Fort Wayne Sentinel/AP)

Preliminary tests show steel quality did not contribute to twin towers' collapse. (Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)

Fire in 56-story Venezuelan skyscraper spreads over 26 floors and burns for over 17 hours, but does not collapse. (CBS)

WTC Ground Zero workers claim they helped FBI find 3 of the 4 black boxes from planes that struck WTC, contradicting official accounts that none were found. (Philadelphia Daily News)

WTC landlord profits over $1.5 billion from his entire WTC being destroyed. (ABC, Wall St Journal)

PENTAGON ATTACK...
Emergency equipment for Pentagon's emergency plane crash plans were already out of storage for inventory check before Pentagon crash. (Army)

Sept. 10, Pentagon medic is on the phone with FBI talking about who has command of their emergency plane crash plan. (Army)

Hours before crash, a Pentagon medic was studying disaster plan based on unlikely scenario of a plane crashing into building. (Washington Post)

Flight 77 is piloted by ex-Navy fighter pilot who worked on anti-terrorism strategies in same area of Pentagon hit by his plane and a passenger on board is an ex-Navy Admiral, jet fighter pilot, and American Airlines captain who also worked at Pentagon. (Newsday, Washington Post)

Flight 77's radar stops near Ohio/Kentucky border and is the only one of the four hijacked planes that wasn't able to be tracked all the way. (Flight Explorer, Washington Post)

Multiple fire and medical units dispatched near Pentagon minutes before crash for high-rise apt. fire that was reported out when 1st responder arrived. (Arlington County, Fire Engineering)

Pentagon crash happened right in the middle of the only section being renovated to bolster it against an attack which severely limited damage and loss of life. (USA Today, Army)

Rumsfeld announces Pentagon lost track of $2.3 trillion the day before it gets hit (CBS, DoD) attacks came near end of fiscal year & important budget information was located in the damaged area (Arlington County) large number of fatalities at Pentagon were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts (Pitt Post-Gazette)

Gas station and hotel's security cameras recorded Pentagon crash, but FBI arrived within minutes and confiscated films. (CNN, National Geographic)

Alleged Flight 77 hijacker pilot was described as a horrible pilot and wasn't on the flight manifest. (CBS, NY Times)

Live at Pentagon crash, CNN reporter says there's no evidence a plane crashed anywhere near the building. (CNN)

Boy on Flight 77 is lectured by military father about dying who subsequently takes 'rare day off' from working in same area of Pentagon that son's plane will later crash into. (MSNBC)

Student ID of Flight 77 hijacker reportedly found at Pentagon, still able to read his name on it. (9/11 Commission)

Pentagon construction worker says on Larry King Live that plane that hit Pentagon had 'fewer engines' than the other 9/11 planes. (CNN)

PENNSYLVANIA CRASH...
June '01, a major terrorist exercise (Mall Strike 2001) is conducted in a PA county next to the one where Flight 93 crashes. (FEMA, PittsburgLive)

Flight 93 reportedly lands at a Cleveland airport, adjacent to NASA Glenn Research Ctr, due to a bomb scare after a man over Flight 93's intercom says a bomb is on board and the plane will be "returning to the airport" at about the time it is flying over Cleveland. (WCPO-TV, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was shot down in speech. (CNN)



ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN...
'94, US intel warned that terrorists might attack US using airplanes as weapons (CNN, CBS) and was warned in '95 of plot to hijack planes and attack the Pentagon and CIA headquarters. (CNN)

CIA had low-level spies inside Al Qaeda three years before attacks. (Reuters)

Five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers receive training at secure US military bases. (MSNBC)

Jan. 2000, CIA information about 2 alleged 9/11 hijackers in San Diego is squelched before reaching FBI. (LA Times)

US agents told to back off bin Laden's soon after Bush becomes president. (Ananova)

June '01, convicted terrorist provided US with specific info about a terrorist attack, some was used in Aug. 6th memo. (Newsweek)

June 2001, Dept. of Defense changes hijacking rules, first time since 1997. (DoD)

July 2001, suspected 9/11 mastermind receives US visa despite '96 terrorist indictment. (ABC)

Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9/11. (WorldNetDaily)

July '01, briefing for senior US officials warns of spectacular attacks by terrorists with little or no warnings. (CNN)

Aug '01, Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks. (Telegraph)

Aug '01, Taliban warns US of huge attack from bin Laden. (BBC)

Aug 6, CIA memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" warns Bush of attacks and plane hijackings in the US by OBL. (ABC, FOX)

FAA chiefs received 52 warnings in 6 months time period before 9/11. (New York Times)

All 4 hijacked planes were well below normal passenger loads, averaging only 27% full. (CNN, Washington Post)

FBI whistle-blower says bosses ignored 9/11 warnings. (Time)

FBI translator Sibel Edmonds: 'I Saw Papers That Show US Knew al-Qaida Would Attack Cities With Airplanes' (Independent UK)

9/11 Commission Chairman: 'Attack Was Preventable.' (CBS)

COVER-UP...
Ari Fleischer claims that Bush received no warnings about the attacks. (White House)

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani bans all video and photography at Ground Zero. (Boston Globe)

President Bush (White House), Gen. Richard Myers (DoD), Condoleezza Rice (CBS), Sect. Mineta and some NORAD officials all deny anybody was aware of the idea that terrorists would use airplanes as weapons. (Seattle Post)

Five months after 9/11, Pentagon security photos of crash are released, but Pentagon says gov't didn't 'officially' release them. (CNN)

Bush Administration oppose a 9/11 investigation. (CBS)

Bush names former Henry Kissinger to head 9/11 investigations. (CNN, CBS)

Bush names Homeland Security Project Co-Chair who has business link to husband of OBL's sister to head 9/11 panel. (Fortune)

9/11 investigations get only $3 million budget and 16 month time frame. (Washington Times)

White House refuses to release 900-page Sept. 11 congressional report. (Miami Herald)

9/11 panel criticizes Defense, Justice dept's for not cooperating fully and CIA, FBI for intimidating witnesses. (ABC, Guardian)

White House, CIA kept key portions of 9/11 report classified dealing with Saudi Arabia and reject Saudi requests to declassify. (Washington Post, Reuters)

9/11 Commission has to interview two of it's own members about attacks. (UPI)

Bush and Speaker Hastert oppose granting more time for 9/11 Commission. (Washington Post)

Bush Admin gags Sibel Edmonds from speaking to 9/11 Commission about attack foreknowledge. (Independent UK)

Bush, Cheney meet together behind closed doors with 9/11 Commission without recorders, stenographer, or being under oath. (CNN)

FAA manager mangled, cut, and destroyed 9/11 tapes. (Washington Post)

9/11 report shows much of common wisdom about 9/11 was wrong. (9/11 Commission, Straights Times)

Alleged 9/11 mastermind and 10 other Al Qaeda suspects "missing" in US custody. (San Jose Mercury)

NORAD takes their 9/11 response timeline off website after US Senator accuses them and FAA of lying. (NORAD, Star Tribune)

Inquiry begins about unreleased 9/11 report about civilian, military response timeline and will stay unreleased until after elections. (NY Times)

Alleged 9/11 hijacker rented room from FBI informant, FBI covered fact up. (Village Voice)

Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by airlines industry. (9/11 Commission, CBS)

CULPRITS...

Of the 18 PNAC members who urged the US to remove Saddam in '98, 10 will be in the new Bush Admin. (ABC)

Sept. 10, Former Pres. and ex-CIA dir. Bush Sr. met with Osama's brother at Carlyle Group meeting in D.C. (Washington Post) and is at the White House morning of attacks. (CBS)

Sen. Graham, Rep. Goss, and other US Intel committee members have meeting morning of 9/11 with Paki ISI director who had authorized $100,000 wire transfer to Atta. (Wall St Journal, Washington Post)

Elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic is seated near all hijackers on Flight 11. (WorldNetDaily)

Bush twice says he saw WTC plane crash live on TV at Booker Elementary. (Boston Herald, White House)

Bush proceeds with scheduled reading event after Rice tells him a commercial plane hit the WTC. (9/11 Commission)

Chief of Staff Card whispers to Bush about 2nd WTC crash and says 'America is under attack' and immediately leaves without seeing if Bush would respond. (Boston Herald)

After being told of attacks, Bush picks up book and reads with kids for 11 mins and after finishing, takes a few questions from kids before leaving. (FOX, St. Petersburg Times)

Bush gives speech at school exactly the same time he was scheduled to make speech there day before. (Federal News Service)

Solicitor Gen. Ted Olson--who has admitted the US gov't lies and helped stopped FL recount that sealed '00 Bush win--claims wife Barbara called him collect from Flight 77 twice and is sole source that hijackers used box cutters. (9/11 Commission, MSNBC, USA Today)

Israeli spies caught celebrating while filming themselves with WTC burning in background and later arrested and found with boxcutters, multiple foreign passports, maps linking them to the attack, explosives detected, and large amount of cash in their white van (ABC, The Forward, Bergen Record)

Sept. 6, large put options placed on United, American Airlines, Boeing and some purchases made through bank which used to be headed by Exec. CIA Director Buzzy Krongard. (Chicago Tribune, SF Chronicle)

Bush is never evacuated by Secret Service from School. (Globe & Mail)

Air Force Gen. Myers claims was never informed 2nd WTC crash and only became aware of it about same time Pentagon hit. (DoD)

Former Israeli PM Netanyahu is asked what 9/11 attacks meant Israeli/US relations and he replies "It's very good." (CBS)

Bush Admin allows Bin Laden family and top Saudi officials to evacuated from US before general public flight restrictions were lifted. (NY Times, Tampa Tribune)

Bush signs Airline Transportation Stabilization Act which if 9/11 victim's families except, they can't sue airlines or US gov't for any reason. (Gurdian, LA Times)

Rumsfeld says in a magazine interview that Pentagon was hit by a "missile." (DoD)

Bush refers to 9/11 as "an interesting day." (White House)

Madrid bombings happen exactly 911 days after 9/11. (News 24, Snopes.com)

MOTIVES...
1998, PNAC calls for a war in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein who they say threatens Israel and the world's oil supply. (ABC, PNAC)

Sept. 2000, PNAC calls to increase US defense budget, but says won't happen absent a catastrophic event like a "new Pearl Harbor." (ABC, PNAC)

Sept. 5, Rumsfeld asks the Senate to approve new '02 defense budget which has largest spending increase since the mid 80's. (DoD)

Council on Foreign Relation member Gary Hart says 9/11 attacks is chance for Bush to carry out a "new world order." (CFR)

Only 1 1/2 months after 9/11, the 342 page USA PATRIOT ACT is signed into law. (White House)

Dept. of Homeland Security is created to lead the fight against domestic terrorism. (CBS)

Poll Cites GOP Gains Since 9/11. (Washington Post)

Afghanistan
1997, Taleban are in Texas for talks with Unocal about an Afghan pipeline (BBC); Feb '98, Unocal rep testifies before congress that an Afghan pipeline can't happen without a single stable Afghan gov't and asks the US to use it's influence to end conflicts there (US House of Reps); Aug. '98, Unocal suspends Afghan pipeline activities because of deteriorating political conditions there (Unocal), then drops out of Afghan pipeline consortium in Dec '98. (Unocal)

1999, US paid entire annual salary of Taliban gov'tl in hopes to secure a stable Afghan gov't to allow US companies to build a pipeline there to connect to the Caspian Sea. (SF Chronicle)

July 2000, Taliban bans cultivation of opium poppies in Afghanistan. (BBC)

May 2001, US gives $43 million to Afghanistan and becomes their largest donor two years in a row. (CNN)

July 2001, US plans an attack on OBL and the Taliban. (BBC, Guardian)

U.S. OK’d a plan the day before 9/11 to topple the Taliban and expel OBL. (MSNBC)

Dec. 2002, Afghan gas pipeline deal signed. (BBC, SF Chronicle)

By 2005, Afghanistan opium production surges. (USA Today)

Iraq
Bush had pre-9/11 Iraq war plan according to Treasury Dept memo (CNN), Bush made plans for ousting Saddam and for Iraq's oil before 9/11 (BBC)

Barely 5 hrs after the Pentagon crash, Rumsfeld begins strike plans against Iraq. (CBS)

Bush admin was warned statements that Iraq trained Al Qaeda in weapon making was fabricated, yet they would later use same statements as foundation for military action in Iraq (NY Times, AFP), poll later finds 70% Americans believe Saddam-9/11 link (CNN, White House), Downing Street Memo warned Saddam not a threat and US fixed intel around their war policy (London Times, Washington Post), CIA report later concludes no WMD's in Iraq as Bush used to help justify war (CNN, BBC)

White House officials say privately 9/11 was main reason for war in Iraq (ABC), Bush says US is in Iraq because of 9/11 attacks. (CNN, White House)

PATSIES...
July '01, OBL wanted by US since '98, undergoes medical treatment at the American Hospital in Dubai and is met by the local CIA chief. (Guradian)

May '01, several alleged jackers seen at Vegas Strip clubs (SF Chronicle); Sept. 7, Atta seen 'wasted' at FL bar. (St. Petersburg Times); Sept. 10, Atta and two Arab men spew anti-American sentiments at FL strip club, spend hundreds on drinks and lap dances, and copy of Quran and business card are left behind. (USA Today)

Sept. 10, OBL undergoes kidney dialysis at Pakistani military hospital in which a "secret team" replaces regular urology staff. (CBS)

CIA says 1st WTC plane crash was an attack and Dir. Tenet blames OBL for attacks even before 2nd plane crashes (ABC) and the US is claiming Osama bin Laden is behind the attacks before the day is over. (ABC, The Post)

Taliban rulers condemn attacks and says Bin Laden didn't have the means to carry out such well-orchestrated attacks. (TCM News)

7 of alleged 19 hijackers are reported alive, FBI Director admits some identities are in doubt. (BBC, LA Times)

Hijacker remains from Flight 77, 93 hijackers were identified at same military base and by a "process of elimination." (CBS)

Dec 2001, Osama bin Laden reportedly dies. (FOX, Mirror UK, NY Times)

Dec 2001, Pentagon releases poor quality video showing 'OBL' bragging about attacks, but is seen writing with right hand which FBI says he's left-handed, wearing a gold ring and watch which are forbidden in Islam, and Bush Admin uses this video to vindicate US invading Afghan. (USA Today, FBI)

Video of OBL admitting to attacks is released 4 days before '04 election and gives Bush a boost in polls. (ABC, NY Daily News, Zogby)

Secret FBI report doubts Al Qaeda can stage another 9/11-type attack and says it knows of no sleeper cells in US. (ABC)

Mohammed Atta's father says Atta called him on the phone on Sept. 12. (Guardian)

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:08:06 AM EDT
so its now a Israeli-bush-rove-haliburton conspiracy?

you DU types are getting old
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:10:38 AM EDT
This ought to be good.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:10:41 AM EDT
I tend not to taking posting from a FREE Geocities website all that seriously.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:10:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:
This may be a crock of shit.



Fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:11:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:14:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
This ought to be good.



That's why I posted it...LOL

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:14:39 AM EDT
My god, is it TinFoil hat day??
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:16:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 9:21:03 AM EDT by NonConformist]
I still think the actions of Israeli's are kinda suspiciouse. Not saying they had a hand in it, but maybe they knew something and didn't, for whatever reason, pass it along to us
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:17:20 AM EDT
YOU might want to mention that in the original link, all the comments are hot-linked to the source of the comment......

Mike

ps - you'll get no-where posting this information around here though, as folks around here don't buy into any of it
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:23:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:24:59 AM EDT
Loosen your tinfoil.

No amount of six degrees of freedom is enough to pull this "stuff" together. There IS no VRWC to start a war, take over the world and put Bush in office. This is all simply BS.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:27:38 AM EDT


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:28:51 AM EDT
Zzzzzzzzz
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:30:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 9:32:36 AM EDT by elkmontarms]

Originally Posted By coburn:
Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths



Look who wrote that Popular Mech article!!!

REPORTING: Benjamin Chertoff, Davin Coburn, Michael Connery, David Enders, Kevin Haynes, Kristin Roth, Tracy Saelinger, Erik Sofge and the editors of POPULAR MECHANICS.
PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.

Guess whos son that is? I would not put much stock in a article written and controled by the Homeland Security Cheifs son!!! How can that not be biased?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:32:29 AM EDT
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:34:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:37:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.



Like I said at the top of the post PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!!!!!. I never said I even agreed with any of the above info. I was just posting the story for all of our info from what they were talking about on the radio. I did not write it for Gods sake. I never suggested at any time "that our administration planned 9/11". What gives with some of you?

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:40:53 AM EDT
popcorn
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:41:29 AM EDT


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:50:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.



Like I said at the top of the post PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!!!!!. I never said I even agreed with any of the above info. I was just posting the story for all of our info from what they were talking about on the radio. I did not write it for Gods sake. I never suggested at any time "that our administration planned 9/11". What gives with some of you?




Wish you would have IMed me first I could have given you the heads up that they would have gone after you for delivering the message. Yeah, this gets posted once every couple of months.

You know that if you could go back in history books and decipher things people could come up with a "conspiracy theory" on Pearl harbor.

This is the problem with today's society is that we "read into" things and take them at face value over FACT. Liberals are VERY good at that. Why do you think these Anti-gunners are tearing apart the second Amendment deciphering the INTENT of the founding fathers?

Although I do have to say that this is the most elaborate post on this topic.

the one thing though the other side has not answered is this. IF the government was in on this, You know how many people would have been in on it? THOUSANDS! And you CANNOT keep all those peoples mouths shut. People's conscience would have gotten the better of them by now.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:51:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By coburn:
Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths



Look who wrote that Popular Mech article!!!

REPORTING: Benjamin Chertoff, Davin Coburn, Michael Connery, David Enders, Kevin Haynes, Kristin Roth, Tracy Saelinger, Erik Sofge and the editors of POPULAR MECHANICS.
PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.

Guess whos son that is? I would not put much stock in a article written and controled by the Homeland Security Cheifs son!!! How can that not be biased?



Hey, you are the one that said don't shoot the messenger.

If Sarah Brady came out and said that "Guns don't kill people, people do" Would she be wrong? Just because a person has a name and a relation to a certain person, does that make them incapable of telling the truth.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:57:07 AM EDT

Found in the Mainstream Media


that's as far as i got.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:59:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.



Like I said at the top of the post PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!!!!!. I never said I even agreed with any of the above info. I was just posting the story for all of our info from what they were talking about on the radio. I did not write it for Gods sake. I never suggested at any time "that our administration planned 9/11". What gives with some of you?




Wish you would have IMed me first I could have given you the heads up that they would have gone after you for delivering the message. Yeah, this gets posted once every couple of months.

You know that if you could go back in history books and decipher things people could come up with a "conspiracy theory" on Pearl harbor.

This is the problem with today's society is that we "read into" things and take them at face value over FACT. Liberals are VERY good at that. Why do you think these Anti-gunners are tearing apart the second Amendment deciphering the INTENT of the founding fathers?

Although I do have to say that this is the most elaborate post on this topic.

the one thing though the other side has not answered is this. IF the government was in on this, You know how many people would have been in on it? THOUSANDS! And you CANNOT keep all those peoples mouths shut. People's conscience would have gotten the better of them by now.




I agree with you on the 9/11 topic. I was just posting this to pass along the info. I did not mean to start a shit storm for Gods sake.....
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:03:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 10:03:31 AM EDT by jkstexas2001]
The powers that be, including the President, would have to have the moral sensibilities of a Hitler to have knowingly planned such a thing, or allowed it to happen. I don't buy it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:04:18 AM EDT


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:05:49 AM EDT
If you didnt want a shit storm then why did you post lies?

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:15:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 10:17:06 AM EDT by elkmontarms]

Originally Posted By DarkHalf:
If you didnt want a shit storm then why did you post lies?




Some folks, like this guy must have the criticial thinking skills of a 1st grader. Like I am saying for the 3rd or 4th time I did not write this or even support all the claims. I just posted it for all of us to read. By your thinking if you posted info on a article or link on a new gun ban then you would be anti-gun.

Some of this may be lies, but many are facts that you can research for yourself. I don't trust the main stream media on most issues but they can't all be BS out of 150 documented news articles from many sources.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:20:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:27:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:29:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By DarkHalf:
If you didnt want a shit storm then why did you post lies?




Some folks, like this guy must have the criticial thinking skills of a 1st grader. Like I am saying for the 3rd or 4th time I did not write this or even support all the claims. I just posted it for all of us to read. By your thinking if you posted info on a article or link on a new gun ban then you would be anti-gun.his.



Okay, I can understand that. But do you REALLY think that posting BS info is worth discussing?

It's kind of like discussing what color the sky is.

We all know it is blue, so why is a discussion even needed unless you believe at least SOME of it/

And I can see that you don't trust the main stream media, but you trust a site from Geocities?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:30:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By madman_kirk:
elkmontarms= du . mmk



Trust me I am far from any DU type. Get a clue......
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:31:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CFII:
My god, is it TinFoil hat day??




As a matter of fact, it is.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:34:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.



Like I said at the top of the post PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!!!!!. I never said I even agreed with any of the above info. I was just posting the story for all of our info from what they were talking about on the radio. I did not write it for Gods sake. I never suggested at any time "that our administration planned 9/11". What gives with some of you?




Wish you would have IMed me first I could have given you the heads up that they would have gone after you for delivering the message. Yeah, this gets posted once every couple of months.

You know that if you could go back in history books and decipher things people could come up with a "conspiracy theory" on Pearl harbor.

This is the problem with today's society is that we "read into" things and take them at face value over FACT. Liberals are VERY good at that. Why do you think these Anti-gunners are tearing apart the second Amendment deciphering the INTENT of the founding fathers?

Although I do have to say that this is the most elaborate post on this topic.

the one thing though the other side has not answered is this. IF the government was in on this, You know how many people would have been in on it? THOUSANDS! And you CANNOT keep all those peoples mouths shut. People's conscience would have gotten the better of them by now.




I agree with you on the 9/11 topic. I was just posting this to pass along the info. I did not mean to start a shit storm for Gods sake.....



LOL! Yeah this is one... the abortion issue is another one, lets see 9mm vs 45 is another one... then again I have been here for years so I know what starts shit storms... Another topic that does just so happens to have just started today as well... TWA Flight 800!

Just for shits and giggles when it gets slow, I start "Is Wolf ammo any good?" that gets shit going for a bit. Gets people talking and debating... its a safe one that wont really hurt anyone. IT will fade.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:37:13 AM EDT
All that and Tom Clancy isn't mentioned??? WTF?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:42:37 AM EDT
Did you take your pills today?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:50:36 AM EDT
There is one major truth about 9/11 that I have never seen any resolution about.

There was a very large short trade of some WTC tenant companies and airline stocks the day before, which originated in Europe. It got reported on immediately following the attack, and I know it was reported on because I followed it keenly. Then the news about it disappeared.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:55:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
There is one major truth about 9/11 that I have never seen any resolution about.

There was a very large short trade of some WTC tenant companies and airline stocks the day before, which originated in Europe. It got reported on immediately following the attack, and I know it was reported on because I followed it keenly. Then the news about it disappeared.



my bet is it was the money managers for Bin Laden's money.

commit the biggest terrorist attack in US history and make some cash for the next operation.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:18:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
There is one major truth about 9/11 that I have never seen any resolution about.

There was a very large short trade of some WTC tenant companies and airline stocks the day before, which originated in Europe. It got reported on immediately following the attack, and I know it was reported on because I followed it keenly. Then the news about it disappeared.



Al Qaeda interests short traded stock in a number of companies that would have been negatively influenced by the 9/11 attacks. This is well documented. Unfortunately, we did not put 2 and 2 together in time. There are a number of times we have have received information that would have warned us in advance of attack had we only have properly understood what it meant in time. It is well documented that a child from a middle eastern family pointed to the Trade Towers from a classroom window the week before the attack and said that they would be gone next week. Snopes validated it. He was interviewed by the FBI the week after the attack.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:21:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
There is one major truth about 9/11 that I have never seen any resolution about.

There was a very large short trade of some WTC tenant companies and airline stocks the day before, which originated in Europe. It got reported on immediately following the attack, and I know it was reported on because I followed it keenly. Then the news about it disappeared.



Al Qaeda interests short traded stock in a number of companies that would have been negatively influenced by the 9/11 attacks. This is well documented. Unfortunately, we did not put 2 and 2 together in time. There are a number of times we have have received information that would have warned us in advance of attack had we only have properly understood what it meant in time. It is well documented that a child from a middle eastern family pointed to the Trade Towers from a classroom window the week before the attack and said that they would be gone next week. Snopes validated it. He was interviewed by the FBI the week after the attack.



Interesting. Regarding the money thing that BenDover mentioned -- WTH haven't we "followed the money" and put the hurt on some of the money-managing middlemen?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:28:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jblachly:
Interesting. Regarding the money thing that BenDover mentioned -- WTH haven't we "followed the money" and put the hurt on some of the money-managing middlemen?



We have. Read Richard Miniter's book Disinformation for some details about Al Quaeda's finances.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:29:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By coburn:
Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths



Look who wrote that Popular Mech article!!!



People smarter than you?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:30:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DarkHalf:
If you didnt want a shit storm then why did you post lies?





Piss off newbie!

AB
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:30:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:31:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Al Qaeda interests short traded stock in a number of companies that would have been negatively influenced by the 9/11 attacks. This is well documented.



Funny how it's hard to find any good info about the matter, if it has been so 'well documented'...



It is well documented that a child from a middle eastern family pointed to the Trade Towers from a classroom window the week before the attack and said that they would be gone next week. Snopes validated it.



I couldn't find that at Snopes. Help me out?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:39:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 11:41:13 AM EDT by jkstexas2001]

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Al Qaeda interests short traded stock in a number of companies that would have been negatively influenced by the 9/11 attacks. This is well documented.



Funny how it's hard to find any good info about the matter, if it has been so 'well documented'...



It is well documented that a child from a middle eastern family pointed to the Trade Towers from a classroom window the week before the attack and said that they would be gone next week. Snopes validated it.



I couldn't find that at Snopes. Help me out?



You are starting to get under my skin. I know for a fact it was on Snopes, I read it myself. The fact that they have chosen to remove it means nothing. Here is what was written in Snopes, word for word, before it was pulled (probably for political correctness reasons). It was given "CONFIRMED" status, because they had checked with the NYPD, who confirmed they had sent a detective to talk to the teacher, who confirmed that what is written below actually occurred.
www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4097



Last October, crime reporter Jeffrey Scott Shapiro discovered (and confirmed) very troubling evidence that the Arab Muslim communities of New Jersey and New York had prior knowledge of the September 11 attacks.

"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a young Palestinian, seemed captivated as he stared out the window across Brooklyn toward the lower downtown area of Manhattan.

"Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Antoinette DiLorenzo didn't take her student's comment all too seriously. Of course the twin towers would be there next week, she assured him. The student shook his head and reiterated his prediction until his 15-year old brother, a sophomore, elbowed him and told him to be quiet. "He's just kidding," the older boy said politely.

Five days later at 8:45 a.m., DiLorenzo heard a loud explosion from the north. Thunderstruck, she turned to the window and eventually watched both towers collapse into shattered glass and crumbled steel.

Considering what we’ve seen on Muslim discussion boards like ClearGuidance.com even after September 11, it’s not far-fetched at all to think that hints about the upcoming attacks may have been out there on the net, or spread by word of mouth at Friday prayers.

And it’s also very troubling that investigations into these rumors have apparently gone nowhere. Crippled again by political correctness?




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Regarding the other story, I recall reading, I believe it was in the Wall Street Journal, an article listing the stocks in question. There were a VERY LARGE number of shares, particularly in Airline companies, that were sold short the week prior to 9/11, by overseas interests, some in Saudi Arabia.

I remember these things very clearly.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 11:47:02 AM EDT
Read this Tomislav, if you dare


http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3955

Prior Knowledge Of Sept. 11 Not Just Urban Legend
By Jeffrey Scott Shapiro


"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a young Palestinian, seemed captivated as he stared out the window across Brooklyn toward the lower downtown area of Manhattan.

"Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Antoinette DiLorenzo didn't take her student's comment all too seriously. Of course the twin towers would be there next week, she assured him. The student shook his head and reiterated his prediction until his 15-year old brother, a sophomore, elbowed him and told him to be quiet. "He's just kidding," the older boy said politely.

Five days later at 8:45 a.m., DiLorenzo heard a loud explosion from the north. Thunderstruck, she turned to the window and eventually watched both towers collapse into shattered glass and crumbled steel.

Many people believed this story was nothing more than an urban legend when they first heard it. Everyone has heard similar stories in the wake of such a disaster. Despite the almost unbelievable circumstances of the story, I was able to confirm it last October while working as a crime reporter for the Journal News, a New York-based Gannett newspaper. Catie Marshall, a spokeswoman for the New York City Board of Education, confirmed that school officials reported the incident to police and that the matter had since been taken over by the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force (FBI-JTTF).

New Utrecht High School was closed Sept. 12, 2001, but as soon as it reopened the following morning, a shaken DiLorenzo quietly approached a New York City Police Department (NYPD) school-safety officer in the school's first-floor lobby. Soon, a dozen investigators stormed the school, interrogating students and searching lockers.

After federal agents questioned DiLorenzo, police detectives questioned her fourth-period class to see if anyone else had heard the boy's comments. Once the detectives were finished, the boy and his brother forcibly were taken to the 62nd Precinct headquarters, where two investigators with the FBI-JTTF questioned them for several hours. Their father, who was in Israel at the time of the attacks, was scheduled to fly home Sept. 11 on a commercial airliner, but he was delayed when all flights to the United States were grounded.

"They asked us if we knew [Osama] bin Laden or if we knew the airline hijackers," the older brother told me. "They were convinced my brother was not only a part of the attacks but that he had helped plan them. They believed it, I could see it in their eyes."

The two boys were grilled for hours. By the end of the interviews, they had answered repeated questions about what they had said in class the week before.

"From the angle we were looking at, you could only see one of the trade towers because one was hidden behind the other," the older brother told me. "My brother likes attention, and so he called me over and pointed out the window toward the tower. He smiled at me and said, 'Do you know why you can only see one building? Because I blew the other one up.'"

The first time I heard the boy's explanation I considered that he was telling me the truth. But school officials said the boy's explanation about the twin towers simply didn't add up.

"You may not have been able to clearly see the gap between them, but you could certainly tell there were two buildings," one official told me.

My story was published Oct. 11, 2001, by the Journal News on page 7A. The editors' reason for publishing the story on the inside was that it was "sensitive" and could cause a great deal of "outrage and backlash." By the end of the day I was back to being a free-lancer.

The next day, Jonathan Alter published an online column for Newsweek.com that verified my story, and MSNBC repeatedly played an interview I had given Matt Lauer that morning on the Today show. Both the Daily News and the New York Post published follow-ups crediting the Journal News, and I received phone calls from media organizations from across the nation.

Both Dateline NBC and ABC's 20/20 invited me to their offices and asked me to do a follow-up with them. Unfortunately, no one from the school or police department was authorized to grant them an on-camera interview, which made it difficult for them to go forward. Luckily, an editor at a Manhattan-based magazine contracted me to stay on the story.

During my continued investigation I learned that the FBI-JTTF was investigating two other students in the New York metropolitan area for the same reason.

On Sept. 10, 2001, a sixth-grade student of Middle Eastern descent in Jersey City, N.J., said something that alarmed his teacher at Martin Luther King Jr. Elementary School. "Essentially, he warned her to stay away from lower Manhattan because something bad was going to happen," said Sgt. Edgar Martinez, deputy director of police services for the Jersey City Police Department. Initially, the Jersey City rumor was met with some controversy. The New York Times called it an unsubstantiated rumor, and both the Daily News and the Jersey Journal quoted a board of education official who denied that the boy had made any reference to the Sept. 11 attacks at all. Despite their reports, Martinez said the FBI-JTTF took over the matter for further investigation.

On Sept. 11, NYPD school-safety officers interrogated a Middle Eastern boy at Health Opportunities High School in the Bronx who had made similar comments that alarmed his teacher. Catie Marshall said the boy told his peers something as the school was being evacuated on Sept. 11.

"He warned them not to ride any city buses because he had been told at his mosque the week before to stay off all public transportation for a while," said one NYPD officer from the investigating 40th Precinct. "He said it wouldn't be safe." The FBI-JTTF since has taken over the matter.

One New Utrecht official told me that of the 509 Arab-American students who attend the school, many have come forward with their own stories about having prior knowledge. "Kids are telling us that the attacks didn't surprise them," she told me. "This was a nicely protected little secret that circulated in the community around here. I guess they were talking about it among themselves, but they didn't share it with us, at least not before the attacks."

According to students, many of their Arab-American peers were seen taking photographs of the crumbling twin towers from New Utrecht on Sept. 11. "Don't you think it's strange so many of them happened to take their cameras to school that particular day?" one student asked me.

I was beginning to get the picture. Both Brooklyn and New Jersey historically have been associated with terrorism. According to an FBI indictment against bin-Laden, al-Qaeda members used to operate secretly out of the now-defunct Alikifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, an office surrounded by Islamic schools and mosques. Today, the former organization's address has been stripped from the building and co-opted into a private business that sells Middle Eastern fragrances, incense, and hardbound copies of the Koran. Those familiar with the center told me that New Jersey-based Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman was a frequent visitor to the secret al-Qaeda hideout.

Police always have had concerns about sleeper agents in the area. They particularly were concerned by a story I had heard from several NYPD sources about an abandoned rental car that was parked in front of a mosque only a few blocks from New Utrecht.

The car had been rented under the phony name "Bomkr" from Logan International Airport in Boston shortly before the attacks. Investigators thought the name sounded a lot like "bomb car." The anonymous party rented several other cars from Logan, all of which either have disappeared or been abandoned. Police suspect the cars were used by al-Qaeda operatives to return to their home bases after the attacks.

I turned in my story to my editor who, after reading it, hesitated and then opted to pay me a kill fee instead. I called the New York Times Magazine. "I don't doubt the boy actually said these things," a top editor told me. "But we don't know why he said them."

I received a similar wave of responses from a variety of national magazines. I reflected on a conversation I had had with someone I knew at NBC who told me that Dateline actually had known about the New Utrecht incident before I published my story. "No one wanted to follow up on it," he told me. "They figured it either wasn't true or it would be too hard. They were only interested in the story after you broke it first."

It's been one year since I first began working this story. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about what that man at NBC said to me. Even Marshall admitted she was surprised that it took as long as it did for the New Utrecht story to get out and that she was even more surprised that more news agencies didn't follow up.

I don't have the resources to continue an ongoing investigation into who had prior knowledge of the attacks, but I am sure someone out there does. Many things have happened since I broke my first story. On Nov. 9, 2001, my sources informed me that the same boy who predicted the attacks told school officials there would be a plane crash on Nov. 12. I decided to inform an FBI agent I knew who told me that without specific information, there was little they could do.

Once again, the boy's prophecy came true.

Three minutes after American Airlines Flight 587 took off from JFK International Airport to the Dominican Republic, both its engines fell from its wings, dooming the plane to crash in Belle Harbor, located in the Rockaway section of Queens. Of the 260 people aboard, there were no survivors. To date, authorities suspect the crash was an accident. I'm not so sure.

Recently I learned the investigation into the New Utrecht incident had been closed because authorities were "unable to obtain any further viable information that would explain what really happened." School sources tell me DiLorenzo has "stood firm" on her account of the boy's comments.

There's a story out there. And it needs to be covered.

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an investigative reporter who spent several months covering the Sept. 11 attacks in New York City. He still is researching the issue of prior knowledge.

Copyright © 2002 News World Communications, Inc.

Related Links:

Source: Insight On The News


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Here is the GOOGLE cached version of the original article. It too has been pulled. The contents of the story have been verified, but it seems the story is being pulled, because it puts the local Arab-American community in a bad light.

216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:tISmBafYh10J:www.insightmag.com/main.cfm%3Finclude%3Ddetail%26storyid%3D273210+sno­pes+%22Scott+Shapiro%22+%22World+Trade+Center­%22&hl=en
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:38:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 12:41:23 PM EDT by BenDover]


Michael Chertoff DOES look like he just zapped in from the mother ship.





HMMMMMM.....
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:18:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
To EVEN INSINUATE that our administration planned 9/11 makes me want to ..... be glad you are not in the same room with me.



Like I said at the top of the post PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!!!!!. I never said I even agreed with any of the above info. I was just posting the story for all of our info from what they were talking about on the radio. I did not write it for Gods sake. I never suggested at any time "that our administration planned 9/11". What gives with some of you?




And now you start dancing…

Sure you suggested the Administration planned 9/11 that is implied in


Some of these stories really make you think?


WTF do you think “smoking gun” in your title suggests?

At least if you are going to play troll you ought to have a little backbone about it and not try and hide behind weasel words. Only thing worse than a troll is a spineless troll.

If you had been thinking you would not have posted that moronic crap.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:30:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:33:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By elkmontarms:
This may be is a crock of shit.



Fixed it for you.



Fixed it for both of you.
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