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Posted: 12/29/2005 7:36:37 AM EDT
On the news they are trying to add a $2.60 tax to a pack in CA, making the average cost of a pack close to $7.00.

Do you quit, cut down or just keep on buying?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:37:48 AM EDT
I smell opportunity!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:42:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



I see more people moving out of Commiefornia.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:43:50 AM EDT
No matter what price on Dec 31 I am done.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:43:52 AM EDT
When I started smoking I lived in Michigan and cigarettes were $1/pack. I kept smoking through about half a dozen tax hikes until they were about $5 a pack. Now I live in Texas where cigarettes are about $3.50/pack.

My point, price hasn't stopped me from smoking yet. When I quit again it will be because I want to stop smoking, not because of the price.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:44:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bubblehead597:

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



I see more people moving out of Commiefornia.



They didn't move when their guns were outlawed. Is the cigarette addiction that strong?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:45:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
No matter what price on Dec 31 I am done.




Same here.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:45:49 AM EDT
thats about what they are in Chicago, Cook County. I quit when they hit about $4---Seems like years ago. Money saved went to a better habit
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:46:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 7:47:49 AM EDT by Merrell]

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



Yup. Look for smuggling smokes to get even bigger.

(glad I quit, btw, can't imagine paying $5 a pack let alone $7 -

by the numbers...

Price per Pack / Yearly Cost (pack a day) / Yearly Cost (2 packs a day)
$2.00 $730.00 $1,460.00
$2.50 $912.50 $1,825.00
$3.00 $1,095.00 $2,190.00
$3.50 $1,277.50 $2,555.00
$4.00 $1,460.00 $2,920.00
$4.50 $1,642.50 $3,285.00
$5.00 $1,825.00 $3,650.00
$5.50 $2,007.50 $4,015.00
$6.00 $2,190.00 $4,380.00
$6.50 $2,372.50 $4,745.00
$7.00 $2,555.00 $5,110.00
$7.50 $2,737.50 $5,475.00
$8.00 $2,920.00 $5,840.00
$8.50 $3,102.50 $6,205.00
$9.00 $3,285.00 $6,570.00
$9.50 $3,467.50 $6,935.00
$10.00 $3,650.00 $7,300.00

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:47:02 AM EDT
We'll just have to start breaking into your homes for cigarette money....easy as that.


(actively quitting for the past six months)
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:47:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
No matter what price on Dec 31 I am done.



+1
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:47:47 AM EDT
Way back when I was a kid working in a gas station we sold cig's for $.50 a pack, now they cost more than that for each cigarette.



<----cold turkey 16 yrs ago.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:48:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



W'e're talking about the same California that's right next to Mexico, right?

I'm just checking.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:49:27 AM EDT
That's like asking at what price for a box of bullets would you quit shooting? The answer will be different for each individual. My answer is "when I can no longer afford it".
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:51:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
No matter what price on Dec 31 I am done.





I've neeeeeeeever said that before!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:06:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:15:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lockedon:
We'll just have to start breaking into your homes for cigarette money....easy as that.




Most break ins of carry outs after hours are for cigs now...
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:17:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:

Originally Posted By Bubblehead597:

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



I see more people moving out of Commiefornia.



They didn't move when their guns were outlawed. Is the cigarette addiction that strong?



You must not live in a state that is being repopulated by "ex" Commifornians.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:18:18 AM EDT
I quit a couple years ago.

Cig prices at their current level are beyond reason.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:18:25 AM EDT
probably 10 bucks.

Oh wait a minute, I was smart enough to never start smoking
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:18:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 8:19:09 AM EDT by TheRedHorseman]
this "saving people from themselves through taxation" is the biggest bullshit lie ever. the state doesnt care about the smokers they just want the money
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:22:45 AM EDT
Uhm, don't people know that they can grow their own tobacco and roll their own smokes? Has that bit of information been forgotten?

I guess for the same reason that people wont roll their own eggrolls or fry their own doughnuts, they wont make their own smokes.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:24:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



Black market opportunity?

For the average smoker I'd think saving the equivalent of a car payment (or the gasoline bill) would do the trick. I sure wish EVERYONE would quit smoking and ride a bike and bankrupt CA.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:26:51 AM EDT
When they hit 87 dollars a pack, I'm QUITING!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:27:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I smell opportunity!



Black market opportunity?

For the average smoker I'd think saving the equivalent of a car payment (or the gasoline bill) would do the trick. I sure wish EVERYONE would quit smoking and ride a bike and bankrupt CA.



That wouldn't work. They'd just tax the assumed miles you rode your bike!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:28:35 AM EDT
My Dad paid with his life 2 years ago. I miss him...

For all the smokers out there, especially with kids,
think of them next time you light one up and see if
it's worth it. The choice is ultimately yours.

For my Dad, he figured the damage was done and
what was the point of stopping. Well, if he would have,
I might be watching the OU game with him tonight.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:30:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
My Dad paid with his life 2 years ago. I miss him...

For all the smokers out there, especially with kids,
think of them next time you light one up and see if
it's worth it. The choice is ultimately yours.

For my Dad, he figured the damage was done and
what was the point of stopping. Well, if he would have,
I might be watching the OU game with him tonight.



and do you think that taxing him more would have saved him?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:31:51 AM EDT
When I quit they were $3.00. At the time I was trying to decide on a Leupold VX II or a VXIII for my deer rifle. When I realized I would smoke the price difference in only 30 days I quit and bought the VX III. That was 5 years ago well worth the effort.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:33:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
My Dad paid with his life 2 years ago. I miss him...

For all the smokers out there, especially with kids,
think of them next time you light one up and see if
it's worth it. The choice is ultimately yours.

For my Dad, he figured the damage was done and
what was the point of stopping. Well, if he would have,
I might be watching the OU game with him tonight.



and do you think that taxing him more would have saved him?



No, I don't. People will pay what they can and sometimes can't afford.
The amount of tax doesn't really come into play IMO. If somebody
wants something bad enough, anything, they will pay for it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:35:32 AM EDT
Indian casinos will make a killing and the state will bring in less money as a result.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:37:18 AM EDT
... What's so magical about December 31?

... Why wait until then?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:40:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:48:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... What's so magical about December 31?

... Why wait until then?



Yeah! I'm quitting drinking as soon as I run out! On the other hand, I quit smoking about 700 times, 700 days in a row, before it "took."

WW's right. You should start failing right now. You know the old saying: Increase your failure rate to increase your success rate.

Oh, my answer to the topic: $0.60 a pack. That's what they cost (in money anyway) when I quit.
Cy
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:07:50 PM EDT
I'll quit when they hit $1 a pack...

...oops, that's right. I DID quit when they hit $1 a pack, about 20 years ago
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:23:43 PM EDT
Have quite for eight weeks now and I will never go back.

They are not like cigarettes were thirty years or even ten years ago.

So many cancer causing agents and poisons somthing like over a hundred just waiting to do you in.

They are nothing more than a debilitating slow suicide.

The older you get the more damage is done.

The upside is extra money to buy guns and outdoor realated gear with.

Sounds and feels like a better deal to me!!!

Hopefully the comming new year will produce many resolute non-smokers here at arfcom.

There is perscription medical care available and the nicotine patch theropy has been sucsessfull for me.

Good Hunting!

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:29:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
probably 10 bucks.

Oh wait a minute, I was smart enough to never start smoking



Me too.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:30:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Uhm, don't people know that they can grow their own tobacco and roll their own smokes? Has that bit of information been forgotten?



Can you add your own chemicals that keep you hooked too?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:34:41 PM EDT
A smoker (or any addict) gets the one thing he or she wants most over and over and over again, 10 or 20 or 30 or even 40 times a day.

A smoker is killing him or herself, and knows it, but still smokes.

You really think money is even a consideration?

The better question is at what price do smokers start commiting crimes to feed their habit.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:37:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
On the news they are trying to add a $2.60 tax to a pack in CA, making the average cost of a pack close to $7.00.

Do you quit, cut down or just keep on buying?



I would keep on smoking just to piss them off.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:48:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
A smoker (or any addict) gets the one thing he or she wants most over and over and over again, 10 or 20 or 30 or even 40 times a day.

A smoker is killing him or herself, and knows it, but still smokes.

You really think money is even a consideration?

The better question is at what price do smokers start commiting crimes to feed their habit.



The more profitable the black market is, the larger it gets. Same goes for alcohol, cigarettes, grugs, guns, prostitution, porn, anything else deemed "bad". True, raising the taxes will cause some people to quit, but if enough people do that, the .gov will start whining about loss of revenue. They are already starting to whine about loss of revenue from gas taxes due to more efficient cars. Consider that many places give tax breaks for hybrids, but are now reconsidering that since they are losing money on them.

Always remember: The more money the government controls, the more control they have over the money, and the more control they have over YOU.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:33:47 PM EDT
Free your mind. Please read the following.

In Defense of Smokers:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm
http://www.lcolby.com/


And don't pay taxes on your freedom:
http://www.cheap-cigarettes-sale.com/
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:39:51 PM EDT
i go through about a pack every three months. i don't inhale, just puff on it like a cigar. there ARE people out there who smoke for the taste and not the nicotine

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:46:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
i go through about a pack every three months. i don't inhale, just puff on it like a cigar. there ARE people out there who smoke for the taste and not the nicotine




And there are people who buy Playboy magazine for the articles.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:47:24 PM EDT
Started smoking when they were roughly $.75-1.00 a pack. They are now aound $2.75 a pack if you buy them by the carton.

My take is that the smokers in Kali will simply buy over the internet, no tax....just that simple.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:50:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
A smoker (or any addict) gets the one thing he or she wants most over and over and over again, 10 or 20 or 30 or even 40 times a day.

A smoker is killing him or herself, and knows it, but still smokes.

You really think money is even a consideration?

The better question is at what price do smokers start commiting crimes to feed their habit.



Hell some are doing it now!
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