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Posted: 12/29/2005 12:17:38 AM EDT
My ex-GF supervises in a manufacturing business. Most of the people she gets as noobs are 18 to 20'ish and the track record for them is abysmal.

Most don't have a fucking clue what the term "work ethic" means. They have no idea about little things like getting to work on time and the fact that you just can't take days off after you've been there a month. They get bored quickly and take little pride in doing anything well. Most can't seem to understand that having a job means a certain degree of subservience, that in exchange for getting paid, there are some basic rules that have to be followed.

She's also discovered that most of them don't have a clue as to how to deal with the social issues and hierarchy that goes with being part of a company. We're not talking Machivallian office politics here, just the basic "how to communicate and deal with your co-workers appropriately" issues.

It's sad and frighting to hear some of the tales she relates.


www.washtimes.com/upi/20051228-114609-1655r.htm

Workplaces prepare for Gen Y

Dec. 28, 2005 at 11:52PM

Workplace experts say Generation Y will need direction as the thundering herd enters the workplace.

The Chicago Sun-Times says the children of Baby Boomers have been heavily scheduled with activities for most of their lives and experts say they now need structure in a work world where it's scarce.

The newspaper said it's a generation that Steven Mintz, author of Huck's Raft: A History of American Childhood, says has been "coddled."

"This is going to be the most high-maintenance work force in the history of the world," said Bruce Tulgan, author of "Managing Generation Y."

Still, they are part of the "most savvy, capable, knowledgeable new generation of workers in history," said Tulgan, a Connecticut-based workplace consultant.

But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.

John Challenger, CEO of the Chicago-based Challenger, Gray and Christmas outplacement firm, said Gen-Y'ers "are looking for meaning in their jobs. They are not just looking for a job, but they want to do something significant."
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:34:13 AM EDT
Desperation has a way of making most people get their act together.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:40:03 AM EDT
I have a bunch of those here.

They are about worthless. Some do have a work ethic but most do not.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:53:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:59:35 AM EDT
Keep in mind that there are a good number of these Generation Y kids over in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more than a few who won't be coming home.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:22:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:
Keep in mind that there are a good number of these Generation Y kids over in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more than a few who won't be coming home.



Those are all the good ones...
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:58:56 AM EDT
I'm about 15 years beyond the generation-Y, but I can see the reasons for their attitude. Even back when I was in high school, the teachers would often point out how "the era of lifetime employment is over", and we were told to expect that we would probably be forced to change careers at least three times before we reached retirement age.

This is really the core of the situation:

...and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer....


Young people now are not told to value long-term job benefits, but instead to seek out immediate things like more pay, health insurance and flexible scheduling.
~~~
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:50:03 AM EDT
One more reason why I am ashamed of my generation. Experienced it first hand tonight at work. Had a new one that was supposed to start with me @ 1700 hrs. Never showed and never called. I'm thinking, this isn't some bs job at McDonalds whoever this person was wasted a lot of time and some department resources going through the hiring process only to not show up and especially not even call.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:59:59 AM EDT
THIS is the real SHTF. The socialist figured out over 40 years ago that attacking the American way of life from the outside would never truely succeed.

They tried all sorts of tactics, "equal opportunity" "Affirmative Action" "Ecology/Environmentalism", Litigation, politics, EVERYTHING to damage the wheels of business to bring America to her knees. For all their tireless efforts they still could not squash the American spirit.

40 years ago, my father was a teacher in NJ at the High School level and he saw the beginnings of this trash we are dealing with today.

Colleges that taught the next generation of teachers were INFESTED with liberals and socialist and worse. They came up with ideas such as "self-esteem" and the rest of the crap that children in publik skools are now subjected to. This way the socialists plan to bring the US down could work...

Wrap you brains around this.... If you create WHOLE GENERATIONS of workers with no MORAL base, no WORK ETHIC, no COMPETITIVE SPIRIT and totally self-involved and all about SELF GRATIFICATION, you can DESTROY the American workplace. No company will be safe and ALL companies will have to devote countless hours and countless dollars trying to recover from a workforce that is lazy, selfish, self-righteous and unable to cope with REAL LIFE.

Don't forget..... due to DECADES of .gov support and the litigious nature of our society.... These worthless workers will either look to support from YOUR TAX MONEY when they can't make it in the real world OR they will sue their employers into bankruptcy.

Just wait. But not long.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:08:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:30:02 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By Floppy_833:
I'm about 15 years beyond the generation-Y, but I can see the reasons for their attitude. Even back when I was in high school, the teachers would often point out how "the era of lifetime employment is over", and we were told to expect that we would probably be forced to change careers at least three times before we reached retirement age.

This is really the core of the situation:

...and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer....


Young people now are not told to value long-term job benefits, but instead to seek out immediate things like more pay, health insurance and flexible scheduling.
~~~



Pre-frickin-cisely. I'm at the tail end of Gen X and the head of Gen Y. We've been taught through both our education and through reality that companies declare banktrupcy to avoid paying pensions and that we should expect to have anywhere from 4-10 'careers' in our lives.

It's no excuse for not working hard or expecting better treatment than you deserve but don't go expecting extreme loyalty to the firm anymore.

This is not TEOTWAWKI any more than was presidential blowjobs, miniskirts or flappers.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:20:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:
THIS is the real SHTF. The socialist figured out over 40 years ago that attacking the American way of life from the outside would never truely succeed.

They tried all sorts of tactics, "equal opportunity" "Affirmative Action" "Ecology/Environmentalism", Litigation, politics, EVERYTHING to damage the wheels of business to bring America to her knees. For all their tireless efforts they still could not squash the American spirit.

40 years ago, my father was a teacher in NJ at the High School level and he saw the beginnings of this trash we are dealing with today.

Colleges that taught the next generation of teachers were INFESTED with liberals and socialist and worse. They came up with ideas such as "self-esteem" and the rest of the crap that children in publik skools are now subjected to. This way the socialists plan to bring the US down could work...

Wrap you brains around this.... If you create WHOLE GENERATIONS of workers with no MORAL base, no WORK ETHIC, no COMPETITIVE SPIRIT and totally self-involved and all about SELF GRATIFICATION, you can DESTROY the American workplace. No company will be safe and ALL companies will have to devote countless hours and countless dollars trying to recover from a workforce that is lazy, selfish, self-righteous and unable to cope with REAL LIFE.

Don't forget..... due to DECADES of .gov support and the litigious nature of our society.... These worthless workers will either look to support from YOUR TAX MONEY when they can't make it in the real world OR they will sue their employers into bankruptcy.

Just wait. But not long.



You better loosen up your tinfoil hat.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:27:15 AM EDT
This is nothing new. In the early 80's I was told that the average male changed careers 7 - 10 times during his lifetime. I'm only on number 5.

There will always be slackers.

Bob
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:29:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Floppy_833:
This is really the core of the situation:

...and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer....


Young people now are not told to value long-term job benefits, but instead to seek out immediate things like more pay, health insurance and flexible scheduling.
~~~



Maybe thats because corporations arent no longer look at employees as assets.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:36:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Floppy_833:
I'm about 15 years beyond the generation-Y, but I can see the reasons for their attitude. Even back when I was in high school, the teachers would often point out how "the era of lifetime employment is over", and we were told to expect that we would probably be forced to change careers at least three times before we reached retirement age.

This is really the core of the situation:

...and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer....


Young people now are not told to value long-term job benefits, but instead to seek out immediate things like more pay, health insurance and flexible scheduling.



Well, lessee... more pay --> more into my 401k and/or savings --> I'm less likely to end up on welfare.

Better health insurance --> absolutely required if you have a family.

Flexible scheduling --> improves morale and productivity, also important for workers with families.

Also, employers today show little or no long-term commitment to employees since they know that they need to be able to adapt - and quickly - to changing economic and market conditions if they want to stay solvent.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:36:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pyro6988:

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Just wait. But not long.



You better loosen up your tinfoil hat.



It is not tinfoil. Both my parents were teachers, my dad went back in the mid 90's to get his master's and the curriculum he got was SHOCKING. All feelings and coddling and emotional bullshit.

Read this: Pay attention to Number 17, but really look at the whole and see how much has been accomplished.: (I'll even highlight the goodies)

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. (Costco/ George Soros)

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.[/blue]

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.


44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.





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Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:39:35 AM EDT
I'm at the tail of X and head of Y as well (graduated from college in '04), the kids we hired that graduated in '05 seem to be socially retarded with regards to workplace conduct. One girl whips out her cellphone whenever it rings and texts her boyfriend every chance she gets, regardless of where she is or who is talking to her (at least she attempts to hide it under the table when she pulls it out during weekly meetings with her boss's boss). Another wanted to wear flip flops to work, and was very unhappy when word came down from her boss's boss that she was to stop that immediately since we're a business casual environment. And the third wont stop wearing blue jeans, hoodies and skate shoes.

Kids.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:40:19 AM EDT
Discipline is a great part of the problem, I am not an advocate for abusing children, But a stern hand letting you know the choice that YOU made was the one that your parents raised you not to make say’s a lot to a growing child.

Public schools may not be the best in the world but they are not the worst. A lot of what happens in the schools depends on the life skills that are taught before entering into a school- respect, work ethic, manners, etc. Let the school teachers teach english and math. The parents should be responsable for teaching tommy to share and to get along with others. The way teachers are treated buy the student's that they teach is horrible and nothing is done about it. I know I for one would have been punished if I had been disrespectfull to anyone my elder.

A lot of parents want to be their child’s friend, this is not necessary, this is one of the great things about public schools. Here your child can develop social skills and gain friends. What the child needs is PARENTS.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:55:45 AM EDT
You guys were all green at one point too.

You made mistakes. You've all been late to work before. You've all called in when you weren't really sick.

We're always hardest on the age group immediately coming up behind us. Don't get so high and mighty. Someday, these kids will be running everything. You can stand around and criticize them, or you can get busy mentoring and teaching them.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:03:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
My ex-GF supervises in a manufacturing business. Most of the people she gets as noobs are 18 to 20'ish and the track record for them is abysmal.

Most don't have a fucking clue what the term "work ethic" means. They have no idea about little things like getting to work on time and the fact that you just can't take days off after you've been there a month. They get bored quickly and take little pride in doing anything well. Most can't seem to understand that having a job means a certain degree of subservience, that in exchange for getting paid, there are some basic rules that have to be followed.

She's also discovered that most of them don't have a clue as to how to deal with the social issues and hierarchy that goes with being part of a company. We're not talking Machivallian office politics here, just the basic "how to communicate and deal with your co-workers appropriately" issues.

It's sad and frighting to hear some of the tales she relates.


www.washtimes.com/upi/20051228-114609-1655r.htm

Workplaces prepare for Gen Y

Dec. 28, 2005 at 11:52PM

Workplace experts say Generation Y will need direction as the thundering herd enters the workplace.

The Chicago Sun-Times says the children of Baby Boomers have been heavily scheduled with activities for most of their lives and experts say they now need structure in a work world where it's scarce.

The newspaper said it's a generation that Steven Mintz, author of Huck's Raft: A History of American Childhood, says has been "coddled."

"This is going to be the most high-maintenance work force in the history of the world," said Bruce Tulgan, author of "Managing Generation Y."

Still, they are part of the "most savvy, capable, knowledgeable new generation of workers in history," said Tulgan, a Connecticut-based workplace consultant.

But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.

John Challenger, CEO of the Chicago-based Challenger, Gray and Christmas outplacement firm, said Gen-Y'ers "are looking for meaning in their jobs. They are not just looking for a job, but they want to do something significant."



Heaven forbid we are not "slaves" to our jobs. Because i'm sure any generation wants to be considered a slave.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:05:32 AM EDT


But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.



In regards to the current US commercial industry and its economy, what did you expect? You sacrifice your social lives for a job and expect long-term commitment. So what does your employer, say GM or Dell or IBM, do ? Cut your pension/benefits/wages and fire you before your retirement. Then they outsource your job overseas.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:12:40 AM EDT
Everytime I've changed jobs I've made at LEAST $10k more.

I don't see the problem.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:17:18 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:17:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Everytime I've changed jobs I've made at LEAST $10k more.

I don't see the problem.



This is normal and key to this discussion. If you are changing jobs to better your life and that of your family, then by all means.... go to it.. hell I need to make more money and the only way I am going to do it is to move on. I have been at this place for nearly 6 years, have lots of experience and that is worthwhile.

However, if you switch jobs because it is "boring" or not "meaningful" or it is "too straight-laced" , that is stupid unless you can get something that makes a better life. job hopping horizontally is wasteful and damaging to your career. If you make the same money when you switch jobs too often, all a prospective employer is going to see is a person who will just leave at the first sign of difficulty.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:20:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:


But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.



In regards to the current US commercial industry and its economy, what did you expect? You sacrifice your social lives for a job and expect long-term commitment. So what does your employer, say GM or Dell or IBM, do ? Cut your pension/benefits/wages and fire you before your retirement. Then they outsource your job overseas.



I think that has a lot to do with it. Corporate America HAS gotten it's message out. You are "human capitol", no shit, that's the term my company used for employees. You are item to be sold off if needs be to increase share price. Now, that's fine and good, but don't then expect that your employees are going to have some great sense of loyalty to a company that will fire them in a heartbeat, performance be damned, if they need to look better to make the next acquisition.

I always got a chuckle when they feel they can just DEMAND loyalty. Loyalty is earned and the way companies operate today, it's pretty rare.

Still the 20 something’s need to learn how to work no doubt. I see the same things, just very poor ability to adapt to working life vs. college slacker life. I do wonder if we were any better 7 years ago though?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:25:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:27:48 AM EDT by r3ydium]
I just turned 21 - Im not currently in college . . .

Ive gone through several Job changes (I worked at the local library for 3 1/2 years - started when i was 16) - I gave them my two week notice (after they abuprtly cut my hours in half for no reason) to run my own concrete crew for a summer - once winter came - I decided to go into IT - Ive been here at this company for over a year - And things look good - I plan on sticking around for a good while

There are always slackers - There were even slackers in my grand fathers generation

I dont feel that Im a slacker - And I feel my work ethic is pretty good
Ive called in sick one time in the last year . . ..

Im also getting married at the end of the week - have a new a car - and a nice apartment

My 50 year old soon to be father in law has changed jobs about 20 times (no joke) in the last 4 years . . . hes 50 - what generation does that put him in ?

I will agree that this up coming generation has really been drilled with the whole notion of career changing . . . My step father was even being drilled with this stuff
I have younger friends . . slackers and work aholics alike . . .
There are always slackers -
There are always good employees . . . This doesnt change much from gneration to generation -
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:29:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
Most of the people she gets as noobs are 18 to 20'ish and the track record for them is abysmal.

Most don't have a fucking clue what the term "work ethic" means. They have no idea about little things like getting to work on time and the fact that you just can't take days off after you've been there a month. They get bored quickly and take little pride in doing anything well. Most can't seem to understand that having a job means a certain degree of subservience, that in exchange for getting paid, there are some basic rules that have to be followed.

She's also discovered that most of them don't have a clue as to how to deal with the social issues and hierarchy that goes with being part of a company. We're not talking Machivallian office politics here, just the basic "how to communicate and deal with your co-workers appropriately" issues.

It's sad and frighting to hear some of the tales she relates.


www.washtimes.com/upi/20051228-114609-1655r.htm

Workplaces prepare for Gen Y

Dec. 28, 2005 at 11:52PM

But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.




you have no idea how true that is. I have to deal with idiots like this daily.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:39:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Everytime I've changed jobs I've made at LEAST $10k more.

I don't see the problem.




I am still attempting to find a job. Cannot even get people offering work to call me back, much less tell me what they are paying. Same position I was in last year and I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong.

At least the budget got passed and I may be able to get back on orders (J1 is practically drooling to have me come back to work for them).
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:53:43 AM EDT
Damn, I guess I'm the minority for Generation Y. I am now working with my pops for free, from 8am-4pm building a house. Yeah, some kids these days are just wastes of air. They contribute nothing.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:01:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:14:56 AM EDT by crazyquik]

Originally Posted By BenDover:


We're always hardest on the age group immediately coming up behind us. Don't get so high and mighty. Someday, these kids will be running everything. You can stand around and criticize them, or you can get busy mentoring and teaching them.




Ditto.

I am Gen Y.

Everyone said Gen X were a bunch of slackers. But what were you doing when Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and those Google-billionaires were figuring out how to dominate the world? Not to mention all those slackers who struck it rich in the dot.com market and have already retired. Mark Cuban, he's such a slacker all he does is go to basketball games now. Heck Starbucks is a multi-billion dollar empire selling coffee.

Those slackers in Gen X may not have invented the internet (that was Owl Gore) but they made it what it is today.

One day we will own you!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:09:03 AM EDT
Not all Gen Yers are like the article describes but there sure are a lot of them. I work with some 19 year old girls who are and they have turned out to be the best employees that department hired.

As for food and housing forcing people to get there act together, that's where welfare and food stamps come in. There are lots of "single" moms out there getting free housing and food and then illegally moving her boyfriend in. Now he is getting free housing as well so why should he show up to work? A guy my g/f works with is 19, has 3 kids by three different women, he started the same time she did about 3 weeks ago but missed 1 to 2 days a week always calling in with an excuse, then he missed and didn't even call in on a Thursday and Friday but showed up at work that Monday fully expecting his job to be there. My g/f is also a Gen Y and jumps from job to job, has no concept of money or finaced (most due to her parents sheltering her and doing everything for her), she has a lot of bad habits but doesn't seem to care too much because she is in college. The guy I share my office with has a 19 year old nephew who bounces around from job to job depending on what he feels like doing and who is hiring. He usually lives with friends and begs his parents for items that he really needs. If they won't give it to him he will sell something of value, claim it stolen, and try to get people to feel sorry for him and replace it.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:13:39 AM EDT
Does it really matter anymore since most jobs are being sent overseas anyway? If people had a clue as to what work ethic means, that wouldn't be happening in the first place but employers aren't nanny's and these days, a lot of Americans need one.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:13:44 AM EDT
I see both out of people. I work with some good people and some slack bastards.

Yesterday boss asks me if I can work new years day, sure.

Then later asks me if I can work new years eve, sure. If I had the day off Id waste it anyway. Im here to make money.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:15:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Im here to make money.



And dominate the world.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:16:43 AM EDT
How many people here who are critical of Gen Y are posting from work?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:18:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By crazyquik:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Im here to make money.



And dominate the world.




That comes later
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:27:34 AM EDT
I am just glad that a few of them actually get jobs...and get the HELL OFF MY YARD!

DON'T MAKE ME COME OUT THERE!

No, you can't have your ball back.

Who the hell do you think is going to pay for that window? Huh, mister?

Sincerely,
Curmudgeon
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:30:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:32:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
How many people here who are critical of Gen Y are posting from work?



How many here have had to deal with Gen Y's that work two weeks and don't come back or have had to deal with them doing drugs at work or showing up stoned or showing up late? How many have had to deal with them expecting to do only half their job and then want to take off or not even doing their job at all and expecting to get paid? How many have had to deal with them that say they have anger management problems and they need to take their medications and that's plural btw? How many employers out their have wanted to shove their foot up some of their asses for having to actually put up with some of that crap? I know I have. How many people here realize that we are in deep shit?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:35:02 AM EDT
Basic issue - they can't earn enough to maintain the lifestyle their parents gave them.



hard to be motivated to work if your lifestyle DROPS.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:46:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Basic issue - they can't earn enough to maintain the lifestyle their parents gave them.



hard to be motivated to work if your lifestyle DROPS.



Actually that's great motivation.

FWIW I have friends, in the Gen Y group, that work 80-122 hours per week. Week in, and week out.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:52:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:54:17 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Basic issue - they can't earn enough to maintain the lifestyle their parents gave them.



hard to be motivated to work if your lifestyle DROPS.



They can if they really want it… the real problem is most of them want earnings handed to them on a sliver platter just like everything else has been in life.

Part of the entitlement mentality… this is a increasing problem that started with boomers and gets worse with each generation… it is called being spoiled.

Most workers under 35 ain’t worth shooting. A few of them will work hard but most of them consider showing up 15 min. late for work a full day.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:05:59 AM EDT
Good news for those of us who are older, have a work ethic, and marketable job skills and education.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:15:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jimtash9:

Originally Posted By dport:
How many people here who are critical of Gen Y are posting from work?



How many here have had to deal with Gen Y's that work two weeks and don't come back or have had to deal with them doing drugs at work or showing up stoned or showing up late? How many have had to deal with them expecting to do only half their job and then want to take off or not even doing their job at all and expecting to get paid? How many have had to deal with them that say they have anger management problems and they need to take their medications and that's plural btw? How many employers out their have wanted to shove their foot up some of their asses for having to actually put up with some of that crap? I know I have. How many people here realize that we are in deep shit?



How many here started a Job with promises of a certain number of hours, and only getting half of that. How many started a job where the employer never mentioned policies that would cost the employee money (specific dress code, down to colors). How many employers purposely scheduled a shift 20 minutes short to avoid giving legally required breaks. All this for almost minimum wage. Then, when employee quits, they threaten them with never being able to be hired by the company again (large national company).

The problem is on both sides of the fence. You can't blame people for not wanting to work for shady companies. If an employer expects honesty, loyalty, etc. from their employees, they also have to have those same traits as a company. Also, what is with putting "The employer or the employee may terminate this contract at any time" in the contract, and then threatening the employee if they do quit.

There's crappy people in every generation. Let us (Class of '06 here) have a few years in the workplace before you judge us. You might find that we start policing our own. Remember, most of Generation Y is just finishing up with college. The good ones are actually studying hard subjects and staying under the radar for now(or hard jobs - Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.).

For now, I will take this as old men going through their mid-life crisis and wishing they were young again. (not to say it isn't right to some extent)
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:15:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 8:09:55 AM EDT by CMOS]
I am an employer. I'm a Manager of a microelectroincs company and I've recently been interviewing.

Let me tell you - about 95% of the applicants were idiots, regardless of their "education" or "experience." Over half of the interviewees couldn't even speak a complete sentence in English (let alone interpret schematics and drawings).

I got lucky and hired US Marine who just got out.

CMOS
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:18:29 AM EDT

The company I work at hires mostly from the top tier tech colleges, so work ethic isn't a problem, but I completely agree that a lot of these people have no clue how to interact with other people. It is almost like "Manners 101" and "How to communicate appropriately" are necessary college courses that got skipped.

Don't even get me started on conflict resolution, which none of them seem capable of without resorting to foul language.

Egotism is another big problem. Somehow they think their college degree means they're smarter than other people... in every area.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:25:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:
THIS is the real SHTF. The socialist figured out over 40 years ago that attacking the American way of life from the outside would never truely succeed.

They tried all sorts of tactics, "equal opportunity" "Affirmative Action" "Ecology/Environmentalism", Litigation, politics, EVERYTHING to damage the wheels of business to bring America to her knees. For all their tireless efforts they still could not squash the American spirit.

40 years ago, my father was a teacher in NJ at the High School level and he saw the beginnings of this trash we are dealing with today.

Colleges that taught the next generation of teachers were INFESTED with liberals and socialist and worse. They came up with ideas such as "self-esteem" and the rest of the crap that children in publik skools are now subjected to. This way the socialists plan to bring the US down could work...

Wrap you brains around this.... If you create WHOLE GENERATIONS of workers with no MORAL base, no WORK ETHIC, no COMPETITIVE SPIRIT and totally self-involved and all about SELF GRATIFICATION, you can DESTROY the American workplace. No company will be safe and ALL companies will have to devote countless hours and countless dollars trying to recover from a workforce that is lazy, selfish, self-righteous and unable to cope with REAL LIFE.

Don't forget..... due to DECADES of .gov support and the litigious nature of our society.... These worthless workers will either look to support from YOUR TAX MONEY when they can't make it in the real world OR they will sue their employers into bankruptcy.

Just wait. But not long.



Great post!!!

Bill Clinton to a T.

No morals. No work ethic. You know the rest.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:27:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 7:27:49 AM EDT by pale_pony]
"Generation X" sounded so neat that everyone wanted to be one. Truth is, "Generation X" turned 40 years old in 2002. Can't they come up with something better than "Generation Y"

My kid, age 10, is DEFINITELY "Generation Dot-Com". He wants instant access to everything available. (Why does the microwave take so long to cook?)
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:31:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jimtash9:

Originally Posted By dport:
How many people here who are critical of Gen Y are posting from work?



How many here have had to deal with Gen Y's that work two weeks and don't come back or have had to deal with them doing drugs at work or showing up stoned or showing up late? How many have had to deal with them expecting to do only half their job and then want to take off or not even doing their job at all and expecting to get paid? How many have had to deal with them that say they have anger management problems and they need to take their medications and that's plural btw? How many employers out their have wanted to shove their foot up some of their asses for having to actually put up with some of that crap? I know I have. How many people here realize that we are in deep shit?


I've known baby boomers who do the same thing.

Anyway, what does that have to do with hypocracy, which I was pointing out.

I work with Gen Y'ers all the time. They are, as a whole, fine people.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:32:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By crazyquik:

Originally Posted By BenDover:


We're always hardest on the age group immediately coming up behind us. Don't get so high and mighty. Someday, these kids will be running everything. You can stand around and criticize them, or you can get busy mentoring and teaching them.




<snip>

One day we will own you!




Now now junior.... let's WALK down the hill and screw ALL those cows....
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:02:07 AM EDT
I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 8:12:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?





Ah, um, the boy's got a point.

I'm 40 now and I know my generation is a mess. However, I still have to say that most of the new generation is in a much bigger mess. I agree with the first post, this new generation will be a business disaster.

CMOS
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