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Posted: 12/29/2005 8:21:58 AM EDT

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How many people here who are critical of Gen Y are posting from work?

How many here have had to deal with Gen Y's that work two weeks and don't come back or have had to deal with them doing drugs at work or showing up stoned or showing up late? How many have had to deal with them expecting to do only half their job and then want to take off or not even doing their job at all and expecting to get paid? How many have had to deal with them that say they have anger management problems and they need to take their medications and that's plural btw? How many employers out their have wanted to shove their foot up some of their asses for having to actually put up with some of that crap? I know I have. How many people here realize that we are in deep shit?

I've known baby boomers who do the same thing.

Anyway, what does that have to do with hypocracy, which I was pointing out.

I work with Gen Y'ers all the time. They are, as a whole, fine people.

I understand your point. I simply meant to say that someone posting from work and what I have experienced first hand are two totally different things. Does someone at work playing on the internet have a disregard for their jobs, maybe. Does someone who has no regard for anything including a work ethic pose a risk to the future of this country, definitely. I'm not saying all Gen Y'ers are the same as there are plenty of good ones. It's just that it seems the younger people these days want the easy way out and blame all their ills on something else, never themselves. It's easy to pop a pill and say you have anger management problems because you're labeled that way by some idiot and think that gives you the right to act any way you want. It's a lot harder for them to accept responsibility for their actions and to know that's the real key to a happier life but instead they look at it as nothing more than somebody elses fault.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:25:15 AM EDT

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Can someone explain what "gen Y" is to me? I'm 32, so does that make me x or y??
They say they are the children of the baby boomers, well so am I. My parents just had me younger than most other people thier age. But i did notice that most people my own age had parents that were older than mine by like 10 years. So what is this whole gen y thing?? What sets them apart from the preceding generation?? It seems to me that things have not Radically changed in the last 20 years socially to make that much of a difference, so whats the deal??? Oh and why do the music that they listen to so crappy????

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:38:58 AM EDT

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Gen Y = Silver Platter

Another article stated they expect to walk onto a job and be the boss.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:41:06 AM EDT

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My 50 year old soon to be father in law has changed jobs about 20 times (no joke) in the last 4 years . . . hes 50 - what generation does that put him in ?

It makes him the man whore generation

Congrats on the marrage.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:45:35 AM EDT

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I didn't know Gen Y HAD to work. All my childrens friends seem to drive 40k SUVs.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:52:56 AM EDT

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Every older generation thinks the younger generations are worthless, throughout history. Keep in mind, the kids of these kids wil be changing your bed pans when you are in a nursing home, so you better be nice...

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:56:26 AM EDT

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Most of the people she gets as noobs are 18 to 20'ish and the track record for them is abysmal.

Most don't have a fucking clue what the term "work ethic" means.

They have no idea about little things like getting to work on time and the fact that you just can't take days off after you've been there a month.

They get bored quickly and take little pride in doing anything well.

Most can't seem to understand that ...... in exchange for getting paid, there are some basic rules that have to be followed.

The Chicago Sun-Times says the children of Baby Boomers have been heavily scheduled with activities for most of their lives and experts say they now need structure in a work world where it's scarce.

....it's a generation that .......has been "coddled."

"This is going to be the most high-maintenance work force in the history of the world,"

They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs..........

Great..........they will suffer in "Post-Industrial America".

Now I know why they can NEVER get my food order right at the Drive-thru !!!!!!

And these are the people who will be managing the country when I'm in my "Senior years"........OH SHIT!!!

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:01:00 AM EDT

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But what were you doing when Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and those Google-billionaires were figuring out how to dominate the world?

I and was busting my ass in a daytime factory job so I could go to college at night!!

I was born in 1956.

One day we will own you!

You won't own me!..........I plan to die penniless...........YOU won't own me!

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:15:20 AM EDT

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I'm part of "Generation Y" I started out as a cashier in a grocery store and have since worked my way up. It took two years and several department changes but just recently they've given me full time plus benefits with a raise, and made me a manager in training. Next month they're restructering the management to create three new management positions one of which has been given to me.

I've seen a lot of turnover in this business. I've worked with some people where from day 1 I could tell that they weren't worth shit. We put up with lot of bullshit from the worthless ones just so we can have enough bodies to get some work done.

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:28:40 AM EDT

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I'm 25...

After spending years in the computer industry, I found my work 'boring & unsatasfying' - the thought of working every year of my life for nothing more than a paycheck had completely lost it's value...

So I shut down my business, quit my other job and joined the Army....

Once there, I can tell you that the 18-20yos who are coming thru Ft Jackson as PVTs & PV2s are by-and-large the exact same group described above... I see the exact same thing in the Army (being a student in Aviation AIT at this time) that this article describes... They are unable to focus, to stand in formation without acting like monkeys at the zoo, or to take any aspect of life seriously unless it threatens to cause them physical or social discomfort... At least 60% (it often sounds like more) have some sort of drug history & wish they could continue to partake, and we'll probably lose at least 5-10, maybe more to the piss test after Christmas leave is up (good riddance to bad company - if you piss hot you do NOT belong in the Army, especially in aviation maintanance, and I think anyone who has to fly on Army aircraft will agree with that one)....

However, in this case they can't just up-and-leave, and I have good reason to believe that the Army will 'fix' them)...

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:32:10 AM EDT

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I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?

Ah, um, the boy's got a point.

I'm 40 now and I know my generation is a mess. However, I still have to say that most of the new generation is in a much bigger mess. I agree with the first post, this new generation will be a business disaster.

CMOS

Yeah, the baby boomers messed things up plenty. I am one. The problem is we are now in about the 3rd generation of shitty parenting, broken homes, and a worsening educational system. Unquestionably the kids now are more FUBAR'd than any I have seen before but that is a generalization and there are clearly some who rise above the rest.
However, there is plenty of blame to go around for the mess this country is in, morally, socially, fiscally, economically, etc. and I would submit there is virtually no group who has not contributed to this mess in some way.

As for the being a business disaster, don't you think American companies and the gov't already know that? I am certain it is part of the reason for so many companies going overseas and for the gov't ignoring the illegal alien problem.

There is some real bad shit coming down the road for this country. Be better if it happened sooner rather than later as the longer it takes the worse it is going to be.

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:42:32 AM EDT

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California is a big part of the problem.

Try to hire veterans. They are a better class of people.

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:43:44 AM EDT

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THIS is the real SHTF. The socialist figured out over 40 years ago that attacking the American way of life from the outside would never truely succeed.

They tried all sorts of tactics, "equal opportunity" "Affirmative Action" "Ecology/Environmentalism", Litigation, politics, EVERYTHING to damage the wheels of business to bring America to her knees. For all their tireless efforts they still could not squash the American spirit.

40 years ago, my father was a teacher in NJ at the High School level and he saw the beginnings of this trash we are dealing with today.

Colleges that taught the next generation of teachers were INFESTED with liberals and socialist and worse. They came up with ideas such as "self-esteem" and the rest of the crap that children in publik skools are now subjected to. This way the socialists plan to bring the US down could work...

Wrap you brains around this.... If you create WHOLE GENERATIONS of workers with no MORAL base, no WORK ETHIC, no COMPETITIVE SPIRIT and totally self-involved and all about SELF GRATIFICATION, you can DESTROY the American workplace. No company will be safe and ALL companies will have to devote countless hours and countless dollars trying to recover from a workforce that is lazy, selfish, self-righteous and unable to cope with REAL LIFE.

Don't forget..... due to DECADES of .gov support and the litigious nature of our society.... These worthless workers will either look to support from YOUR TAX MONEY when they can't make it in the real world OR they will sue their employers into bankruptcy.

Just wait. But not long.

+1 MILLION!!!

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:57:05 AM EDT

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California is a big part of the problem.

Try to hire veterans. They are a better class of people.

Yeah thanks.

Don't go blaming us for the Internet and computer boom - AMD, Intel, and Cisco just live in Silicon Valley not by my choice. And all those medicines, surgery advancements, and wonder treatments coming from our hosiptal colleges aren't my fault either. Neither is Skunk Works and stealth, Lockheed-Martin, the JPL, Rocketdyne and the rest can leave. I have a little to do with the hundreds of billions of dollars in trade surplus generated by Hollywood and the television industry but not enough to take much blame honest. And that rotten no-good son-of-a-bitch Ronald Regan which some, including Rush Limbaugh (who has adopted us as his home town not the other way around), claim started this whole conservative revolution mess that we're in.

And those veterans that you're recommending hiring ... the biggest percentage come from California still.

Edited to add: any one who blames is a part of the problem rather than the solution. I'm certain that California is the cause for all your fucked up children but that's your fault now isn't it? That would be a conservative stance rather than a liberal one that would place blame on someone else now huh?

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:14:08 AM EDT

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My ex-GF supervises in a manufacturing business. Most of the people she gets as noobs are 18 to 20'ish and the track record for them is abysmal.

Most don't have a fucking clue what the term "work ethic" means. They have no idea about little things like getting to work on time and the fact that you just can't take days off after you've been there a month. They get bored quickly and take little pride in doing anything well. Most can't seem to understand that having a job means a certain degree of subservience, that in exchange for getting paid, there are some basic rules that have to be followed.

She's also discovered that most of them don't have a clue as to how to deal with the social issues and hierarchy that goes with being part of a company. We're not talking Machivallian office politics here, just the basic "how to communicate and deal with your co-workers appropriately" issues.

It's sad and frighting to hear some of the tales she relates.

www.washtimes.com/upi/20051228-114609-1655r.htm

Workplaces prepare for Gen Y

Dec. 28, 2005 at 11:52PM

Workplace experts say Generation Y will need direction as the thundering herd enters the workplace.

The Chicago Sun-Times says the children of Baby Boomers have been heavily scheduled with activities for most of their lives and experts say they now need structure in a work world where it's scarce.

The newspaper said it's a generation that Steven Mintz, author of Huck's Raft: A History of American Childhood, says has been "coddled."

"This is going to be the most high-maintenance work force in the history of the world," said Bruce Tulgan, author of "Managing Generation Y."

Still, they are part of the "most savvy, capable, knowledgeable new generation of workers in history," said Tulgan, a Connecticut-based workplace consultant.

But unlike their parents, they aren't willing to sacrifice their social lives for a job and aren't expecting long-term commitment from an employer. They have no intentions of becoming a slave to their jobs, the newspaper said.

John Challenger, CEO of the Chicago-based Challenger, Gray and Christmas outplacement firm, said Gen-Y'ers "are looking for meaning in their jobs. They are not just looking for a job, but they want to do something significant."

Several of the folks we have hired from Gen Y have no idea what work is. I had to explain to one guy that he needed to call if he wasn't coming to work. The next time he was "sick" he called and left a message on someones cell phone. I had to explain that he needed to call me asnd speak to me about missing work. We have had several leave work without finishing tasks to needed to be completed that day.

I sent several to a job site managed by a retired Master Gunnery Sgt. Lets just say that they had a rude awakening. Half of them quit within a few weeks.

Hell people thought Gen X was bad.

BTW I am Gen X.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:17:12 AM EDT

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I thought this was the 'ME' generation!

Yeah, all you youngn's out there, there ARE exceptions, but one problem young people have, is measuring everything and everyone by their own standards. I.E. you're a young adult in this aformentioned generation, and you get good grades and work, and do good in college and stuff, so you think that everyone else in your generation must be the same.

I'm not trying to knock on you, I'm just pointing out that regardless of the few of you that are actually good people, you are the exception, and are far from the rule.

I'm glad most of the people I work with are a little older, and are mostly responsible people. I've advanced in my career here, and pretty much only work with others who have, also. The newbies and younger people coming in go into a different group, and I've seen plenty come and go. We're pretty laid back, but I've seen younger people come in here, and fail to adapt to the environment.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:17:59 AM EDT

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I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?

Run for the hills!! He's got that damn New England Yankee sensibility about 'im!

Someone find out who his parents are, and thank'em for raisin' such a fine young'un.

You got a good head on your shoulders, Freepster. How do we kick all the Massholes back across the border, so they'll stop f'in up New Hampshire?

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:29:13 AM EDT

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Edited to add: any one who blames is a part of the problem rather than the solution. I'm certain that California is the cause for all your fucked up children but that's your fault now isn't it? That would be a conservative stance rather than a liberal one that would place blame on someone else now huh?

Mostly I agree with that.
But what IS the solution?
IMO you must first address the root of the problem in order to solve it. It is analogous to saying someone has some symptomatic issue in medicine. IOW, I can say someone has congestive heart failure. However, in order to address the issue properly I must delve deeper and find the cause. And that really is the issue and an additional problem. What is the cause and who are you going to ask?

The socialists will say it is capitalism screwing the little guy and the christian right extremists.
The christian right will say it is abortion and perverts.
Other conservatives will place most of the blame on socialists and their spin off organizations such as the women's movement leading to the destruction of the family.
Corporations will blame lazy workers and govt' regulation.
Gov't will just make more rules and regs to address whatever issues various special interests are pushing.
The only ones for that are those standing there with their hand out, corporate or individual.

Maybe we should just blame out of control selfishness and selfindulgence resulting in 300million petty emperors all trying to screw their neighbors while exhibiting total disregard for others.

I really believe that the only solution at this point is for the whole thing to come crashing down. Not a pleasant thought at all but I see it as being inevitable and as being far worse if the house of cards continues to grow.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:31:40 AM EDT

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Edited to add: any one who blames is a part of the problem rather than the solution. I'm certain that California is the cause for all your fucked up children but that's your fault now isn't it? That would be a conservative stance rather than a liberal one that would place blame on someone else now huh?

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I really believe that the only solution at this point is for the whole thing to come crashing down. Not a pleasant thought at all but I see it as being inevitable and as being far worse if the house of cards continues to grow.

Bingo.

Survival of the most prepared/fittest.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:34:18 AM EDT

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Keep in mind that there are a good number of these Generation Y kids over in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more than a few who won't be coming home.

Excellent point. Those that DO come home, will certainly become the true leaders of their generation. They understand what the bottom of the barrel really is and what it takes to succeed and thrive. They have been through hell and have survived. I applaud those who come home and reach the top of whatever industry they select. It sounds like a good thing, in the long run to have those who have served our great nation back in charge of our great nation.

I just hope I'm not being too overly optimistic.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:38:50 AM EDT

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Basic issue - they can't earn enough to maintain the lifestyle their parents gave them.

hard to be motivated to work if your lifestyle DROPS.

Actually that's great motivation.

FWIW I have friends, in the Gen Y group, that work 80-122 hours per week. Week in, and week out.

Regardless of how much money they make doing this I'd say their lifestyle has dropped compared to their parents. What good is money without leisure time to enjoy it?

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:40:58 AM EDT

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Basic issue - they can't earn enough to maintain the lifestyle their parents gave them.

hard to be motivated to work if your lifestyle DROPS.

Actually that's great motivation.

FWIW I have friends, in the Gen Y group, that work 80-122 hours per week. Week in, and week out.

Regardless of how much money they make doing this I'd say their lifestyle has dropped compared to their parents. What good is money without leisure time to enjoy it?

Work when you're young, enjoy it later.

Or die at 35 from a heart attack.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:45:06 AM EDT

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I dont know, Im 19, I have only had 2 jobs sence I was 16 and that is because of my going to school away from home. I have only missed of 1 shift ever, chances are I was going to be sent home early that day due to business anyways.

At MidwayUSA where I work now they where a little consernd about me not socializing at all during work.

I told them thats what break is for.

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:10:49 AM EDT

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Gen Y = Silver Platter
Another article stated they expect to walk onto a job and be the boss.

You've got that right. Some colleges offer "Engineering Management" degrees, intended more for working adults looking to move up to management, but the kids love the night courses so they majored in it. Also the lack of calculus was a big draw.

Now that they're graduating, they're finding out you cant manage until you've done it, and most are getting laughed at. One kid wanted my employer to hire him at a career fair I was working. We laughed at him when he saw the salary table and said "So if a starting engineer makes $48k, I should start off at $65k as a junior engineering manager, right? When can I come in for an interview?"

Dumbass wasnt even wearing shoes, just sandals.

Kharn

Posted: 12/29/2005 11:26:57 AM EDT

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"So if a starting engineer makes $48k, I should start off at $65k as a junior engineering manager, right? When can I come in for an interview?"

UNbelieveable.

And just think - there's a LOT of people like that out there. I know - I interviewed a bunch of them.

CMOS

Posted: 12/29/2005 12:38:56 PM EDT

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Companies have created their own problems. Most of the manufacturing jobs don't pay worth a shit. They get the quality of worker they are willing to pay for. I've been a supervisor in manufacturing and the folks they hire at the wage the company is willing to pay are from the bottom of the barrel. Most canidates for employment can't get pass the drug test.

Posted: 12/29/2005 2:09:56 PM EDT

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I am an employer. I'm a Manager of a microelectroincs company and I've recently been interviewing.

Let me tell you - about 95% of the applicants were idiots, regardless of their "education" or "experience." Over half of the interviewees couldn't even speak a complete sentence in English (let alone interpret schematics and drawings).

I got lucky and hired US Marine who just got out.

CMOS

Nice, but anecdotal. I take each person as an individual. Screw the "generational" crap. I've noticed one thing though. You gotta look out for yourself, because companies won't. And that's almost universal. So when companies want two weeks notice before someone leaves, they shouldn't be escorting people out of the building the day they're laid off unless it's a "security risk" (which every situation gets lumped into nowadays for convenience).

Companies are reaping what they've sown. Pension plans (AKA PROMISES) going bust. Playing games with promotions, raises and "future promises" has become the norm to "keep profitable". Maybe gen Y is screwed up, but so is gen X and W and V. You run a company right and treat the people fair and you'll have a company everyone wants to flock to and do good work. You play games with a wink and a nod to play with margins and you get what you deserve.

Posted: 12/29/2005 2:21:17 PM EDT

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Everytime I've changed jobs I've made at LEAST $10k more.

+1
If you are loyal to your employer, you are doing something wrong.

Posted: 12/29/2005 2:32:11 PM EDT

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Desperation has a way of making most people get their act together.

+1 they will learn a work ethic when they need food.

either that or those of us that do work will be worth more to keep around.

bring em on

+1

A bunch of whiny, lazy, irresponsible slackers means more job security.

Posted: 12/29/2005 3:43:23 PM EDT

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Ditto.

All the bosses love me and my friends, because we show up early and stay late. Then they look at our (moron) peers and wish they had more of us.

Posted: 12/29/2005 4:08:30 PM EDT

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IMHO, all the generational stuff is a load of crap. Every generation has a bunch of slackers. Every generation has been ridiculed as the "downfall of the country" by the one before it, citing various economic changes as evidence. Good people have always been hard to find (especially if you're paying low wages). I think we'll be just fine.

Posted: 12/29/2005 4:18:53 PM EDT

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Nature will thin them out. If the avain flu goes panidemic the estimated death toll in the US is 40 million. How well do you think a generation of people who grew up in a antibacterial bubble with due against it.

Posted: 12/29/2005 4:41:35 PM EDT

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"So if a starting engineer makes $48k, I should start off at $65k as a junior engineering manager, right? When can I come in for an interview?" Dumbass wasnt even wearing shoes, just sandals.

Kharn

What a dumbass. I am a manufacturing engineering major. I expect to start out doing all the craptastic busy work that the experienced guys don't want to do, and get paid very little for the pleasure. I just hope that I can find employment with people who know what they're doing and can teach me a lot. The college enviroment is where you learn the theoretical. Which means that when you get out, you know a lot about nothing. That is reality. If they can't figure that out, well I'll take fries with my burger please.

Posted: 12/29/2005 4:53:46 PM EDT

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I've dealt with these fucksticks before. They come looking for a job fresh out of college with no experience, insulted that you don't offer them a VP position and 80k a year from day one, because they "paid their dues" by having a job at Subway during college and a bachelor's degree

They bring nothing to the table.

IF I discriminated on the basis of age, I do not, but IF I did, I would certainly favor those who are much older. I have found them to have a far better work ethic, and they don't have this rabid sense of entitlement that so many people these days have.

I DO favor people out of our military, for obvious reasons.

Posted: 12/29/2005 5:34:51 PM EDT

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It's frustrating on the other end too.

I've been looking for a a starting position for over a year, and it just gets really crushing after you go to interview after interview, speak articulately and clearly... and then get an Email saying that "We're sorry, even though you made an impression at your interview the amount of positions available are limited".

Posted: 12/29/2005 5:50:41 PM EDT

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Discipline is a great part of the problem, I am not an advocate for abusing children, But a stern hand letting you know the choice that YOU made was the one that your parents raised you not to make say’s a lot to a growing child.

Public schools may not be the best in the world but they are not the worst. A lot of what happens in the schools depends on the life skills that are taught before entering into a school- respect, work ethic, manners, etc. Let the school teachers teach english and math. The parents should be responsable for teaching tommy to share and to get along with others. The way teachers are treated buy the student's that they teach is horrible and nothing is done about it. I know I for one would have been punished if I had been disrespectfull to anyone my elder.

A lot of parents want to be their child’s friend, this is not necessary, this is one of the great things about public schools. Here your child can develop social skills and gain friends. What the child needs is PARENTS.

AMEN!!! I work in the public schools as a high school English teacher. It's amazing to me the number of parents who make excuses for their children. My parents would sooner have kicked me to the curb than make excuses for why I was not doing something...not that they didn't care about me. On the contrary, they did care about me; they wanted to make sure I would succeed beyond their protection.
I am so tired of people saying that it's the schools fault for kids being behavior problems and not having work ethics, etc. HELLO, that's what parents are supposed to teach them. Schools should not be teaching them anything besides English, math, science, etc. Separation of church and state was decided because public educators shouldn't be teaching morals and ethics; too personal and it should come from parents. Incidently, if you're going to blame public schools, don't blame the teachers, blame the school boards, the superintendents and the principals who aren't in the classrooms and yet feel it necessary to decide the "best practices" of education. Teachers are the low man on the totem pole. They just do what they're told.
Businesses have to hire the Gen Y'ers (and yes I realize not all of them are alike- I, myself am at the tail end of the Gen X) and deal with them. Schools are forced to keep them around and TRY to get them to do something, despite their coddling parents. Yes, I was taught in college the whole "feelings are important" part of education, but being in the real world of teaching for only a month or two, I realized that allowing kids to get away with crap because they didn't feel like it or some other excuse like that wasn't going to be helpful for them in the long run.
I agree that the best way to fix these problems is to allow it to explode, then we can pick up the pieces and start over.

Posted: 12/29/2005 5:51:50 PM EDT

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It's frustrating on the other end too.

I've been looking for a a starting position for over a year, and it just gets really crushing after you go to interview after interview, speak articulately and clearly... and then get an Email saying that "We're sorry, even though you made an impression at your interview the amount of positions available are limited".

What working experience in your field do you bring to the table?

Posted: 12/29/2005 6:35:20 PM EDT

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I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?

I *COMPLETELY* agree with this: Many here are attacking the youth set. Such has been tradition since time immemorial. "Back in MY day, we had to walk seven miles to school in the snow! Uphill! BOTH WAYS!"

The Boomers fucked us good. Before they came along with their selfish Yuppie lifestyles (remember Yuppies? Young, Upwardly mobile Professionals?) where the pursuit of material wealth was the center focus, American corporations didn't look at workers like they were lumps of coal to be used up, then shat out. Employment was something you did for one employer for 20+ years, and you were proud of your seniority.

The Boomer shitheads took three or four years of experience from one employer and sold it to another for more pay. They created an expectation in employers that just about the time you were planning on getting enough output from an employee to have made it worth it to hire him, he was taking your best business secrets to your competitor. I watched this happen in the 1980s with my own eyes.

Now, their children are going to have to set the working world aright, and all at about the same time those selfish Boomers are going to retire and suck all the money out of the system, forcing their kids to support them (likely for 20+ years, since part of the Boomer creed is the "Health Craze"). Did you know that SSI used to be supported by something like 19 workers for every retiree? In a few years, that ratio will drop to 1:2.

Posted: 12/29/2005 6:53:10 PM EDT

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I'm a member of "generation Y," I deal with stupid shit caused by baby-boomers all the time. Things like gun control, political correctness, communist college staff, a media that hates America, the welfare state, illegal immigration, and constant fear of being sued. Good job, baby-boomers fucked up America before we even got here. Thanks. How, specifically, have WE fucked up America?

I *COMPLETELY* agree with this: Many here are attacking the youth set. Such has been tradition since time immemorial. "Back in MY day, we had to walk seven miles to school in the snow! Uphill! BOTH WAYS!"

The Boomers fucked us good. Before they came along with their selfish Yuppie lifestyles (remember Yuppies? Young, Upwardly mobile Professionals?) where the pursuit of material wealth was the center focus, American corporations didn't look at workers like they were lumps of coal to be used up, then shat out. Employment was something you did for one employer for 20+ years, and you were proud of your seniority.

The Boomer shitheads took three or four years of experience from one employer and sold it to another for more pay. They created an expectation in employers that just about the time you were planning on getting enough output from an employee to have made it worth it to hire him, he was taking your best business secrets to your competitor. I watched this happen in the 1980s with my own eyes.

Now, their children are going to have to set the working world aright, and all at about the same time those selfish Boomers are going to retire and suck all the money out of the system, forcing their kids to support them (likely for 20+ years, since part of the Boomer creed is the "Health Craze"). Did you know that SSI used to be supported by something like 19 workers for every retiree? In a few years, that ratio will drop to 1:2.

I agree somewhat and as I have said many times here, the boomers, my own generation, have really FUBAR'd this country. However, I have seen nothing about the generation X or Y bunch that gives me the slightest inkling of hope that you all as a group will do anything but make a bad situation worse.

I know what the solution is and that is for everyone to come to realization that the whole rest of the world doesn't have to kiss their ass, or that of their fat, mouthy brats, nor are they entitled to a GD thing. That raising their children with proper values is priority one and that in order to do so it is essential to keep families together and decently parent.

Needless to say, I don't see any of the above happening in my lifetime.

What I do see is an imminent economic collapse, possibly the balkanization of America, and a loss of position as the world's supreme superpower due to the selfishness of all.

Posted: 12/29/2005 7:09:28 PM EDT

[#40]

so what is gen y considered anyway?
<- born in 81.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:24:22 PM EDT

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I agree somewhat and as I have said many times here, the boomers, my own generation, have really FUBAR'd this country. However, I have seen nothing about the generation X or Y bunch that gives me the slightest inkling of hope that you all as a group will do anything but make a bad situation worse.

I know what the solution is and that is for everyone to come to realization that the whole rest of the world doesn't have to kiss their ass, or that of their fat, mouthy brats, nor are they entitled to a GD thing. That raising their children with proper values is priority one and that in order to do so it is essential to keep families together and decently parent.

Needless to say, I don't see any of the above happening in my lifetime.
What I do see is an imminent economic collapse, possibly the balkanization of America, and a loss of position as the world's supreme superpower due to the selfishness of all.

You are right on the money, same as you always are on this. Be advised, I'm a Gen-X (all of 10 days into the first official Gen-X year) dude, and saw very clearly what our older brothers and sisters were doing... but I also support the words of the other poster who has reminded us that the WWII Generation folks raised the spoiled Boomers as a testament to their desire to never have to fight like that again.

How could they have predicted the outcome? Like the Brits say, "Sandals to sandals in three generations."

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:29:30 PM EDT

[#42]

I'm 22 and I get sick and tired of the shitheads that are a part of my generation.

I am constantly amazed at the stupidity and immaturity of people.

I get pissed off almost every day in class because of people who are IN FUCKING COLLEGE but act like they are in 6th grade.

Posted: 12/29/2005 8:42:33 PM EDT

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It's frustrating on the other end too.

I've been looking for a a starting position for over a year, and it just gets really crushing after you go to interview after interview, speak articulately and clearly... and then get an Email saying that "We're sorry, even though you made an impression at your interview the amount of positions available are limited".

What working experience in your field do you bring to the table?

Yeah thats the terminal problem I supposse, getting that first job out of College is always the hardest.

People want experience, and its always the decisionmaker... but you don't got any until you get that first job.

Mind you I'm not ocmplaining, I fully understand it. I'm just having a bad day, got the "sorry" treatment for a job that I really had high hopes for and gave an excellent interview for. (BTW before you think I'm one of the 65k a year right out of college the job in question was sub 30k a year in New Jersey. Which would still be more money then I have ever seen in my life).

Posted: 12/29/2005 9:58:56 PM EDT

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It's the same story that has been playing out since this country was founded.

The portion of the population that is man enough to do what needs to be done will build business empires, defend this country, make scientific discoveries, and raise the portion of the next generation that will do the same.

The rest will consume oxygen, suck down lard, and complain about how it isn't "fair". Then they will try to screw up the good works of the other group in an effort to make things "fair", instead of contributing themselves.

Who will win this time?

Posted: 12/30/2005 12:40:01 AM EDT

[#45]

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so what is gen y considered anyway?
<- born in 81.

Gen-MTV

Posted: 12/30/2005 8:47:40 AM EDT

[#46]

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I agree somewhat and as I have said many times here, the boomers, my own generation, have really FUBAR'd this country. However, I have seen nothing about the generation X or Y bunch that gives me the slightest inkling of hope that you all as a group will do anything but make a bad situation worse.

I know what the solution is and that is for everyone to come to realization that the whole rest of the world doesn't have to kiss their ass, or that of their fat, mouthy brats, nor are they entitled to a GD thing. That raising their children with proper values is priority one and that in order to do so it is essential to keep families together and decently parent.

Needless to say, I don't see any of the above happening in my lifetime.
What I do see is an imminent economic collapse, possibly the balkanization of America, and a loss of position as the world's supreme superpower due to the selfishness of all.

You are right on the money, same as you always are on this. Be advised, I'm a Gen-X (all of 10 days into the first official Gen-X year) dude, and saw very clearly what our older brothers and sisters were doing... but I also support the words of the other poster who has reminded us that the WWII Generation folks raised the spoiled Boomers as a testament to their desire to never have to fight like that again.

I think the thing to remember is that the "Greatest Generation" came about during the initial socialist/communist/pacifist movement of the 30's. Partly a result of the Great Depression, partly a result of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and the hope for a socialist utopia, ie class warfare. As a result we got the nation's first significant infringements into the RKBA, the first socialist entitlement programs, a government that confiscated people's gold, essentially the beginnings of big gov't intrusion and socialism.
Yeah, they kicked ass in WWII but let's also remember that only 2 nations effectively took on the entire rest of the world and did a pretty damn good job of doing so. In any event, they came back and handed the country over to another group of socialists without firing a shot. Any who attempted to fight this movement at all were demonized and destroyed, an ongoing process. Political correctness, doublespeak and socialist indoctrination via the schools and boob tube. It is no wonder that after they got their tentacles into the gov't and then the media that they went after the family. Once accomplished their job of destroying America became much easier.
Some are catching on but I fear it is too little, too late.

Like I said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

I would further point out that your average socialist, out of a desire for class warfare and simple ignorance, don't even realize that at the heart of their movement are a group of people bent on destroying their country.

Posted: 12/30/2005 12:16:57 PM EDT

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It's the same story that has been playing out since this country was founded.

The portion of the population that is man enough to do what needs to be done will build business empires, defend this country, make scientific discoveries, and raise the portion of the next generation that will do the same.

The rest will consume oxygen, suck down lard, and complain about how it isn't "fair". Then they will try to screw up the good works of the other group in an effort to make things "fair", instead of contributing themselves.

Who will win this time?

Well the relative percentages are increasingly favoring the losers of this country.

Posted: 12/30/2005 1:55:57 PM EDT

[#48]

I'm 33 so I'm part of gen-X. I don't know much about their work ethics, however, one thing I've noticed about gen-Y is how much time they spend on the cell phone.

Some generalizations I have observed are 1) social status means everything to them 2) social status is measured by the number of minutes they spend on the phone chatting with friends 3) peer influence is very strong.

The social network of people in the 18-23 range is very different from what I grew up with. Being popular among their peers seems to be much more important than it was when my generation was that age (early 90's). Now, every 20yo kid has a phone glued to his head. And the Internet plays a large role too.

The line between guys and girls has also been blurred. They all do things as a group now. Their social network is cross-gendered. How many groups of 'just girls' or 'just guys' do you see with kids this age? Not that it's bad, it's just a whole different lifestyle. When I was that age, a guy who always went everywhere with girls had questionable manhood.

I know some kids in the 16-18 year range who are very good kids with generally good and positive attitudes. There are some good kids coming up. We do need to help them out as much as we can by being good examples.

Posted: 12/30/2005 2:08:26 PM EDT

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The line between guys and girls has also been blurred. They all do things as a group now. Their social network is cross-gendered. How many groups of 'just girls' or 'just guys' do you see with kids this age? Not that it's bad, it's just a whole different lifestyle. When I was that age, a guy who always went everywhere with girls had questionable manhood.

MO on that is that there are so many guys raised by their mommies and who don't do regualr guy things. When I was that age we played football, baseball, B-ball, went out after drank some beers and chased some women. Now the guys play girl games, they dye their hair, wear earings and dream about what it would be like to take it up the ass and have babies.

I'm not slamming all of them, and it is good that men and women can socialize in that way but so many guys these days are just flat out pussies.

Posted: 12/30/2005 2:16:09 PM EDT

[#50]

And us Americans wonder why companies are moving their plants to Asia, Hmm! I wonder?

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