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Posted: 12/28/2005 8:57:36 PM EDT
She's got small hands and can't rack the slide on my glock 19. She did OK with a mkII, but I don't think I'd want her stuck with just that. I had a .38 snubby and she hated the recoil on it. What do you guys think? Llama .380?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:00:02 PM EDT
.500 S&W

.460 S&W

.475 Linebaugh




Seriously - revolver, in .38 special.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:00:50 PM EDT
Depends on if you want to kill her or just wound her good.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:01:38 PM EDT
Anything in the kitchen.

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:02:49 PM EDT


Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:03:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 9:05:12 PM EDT by olyarms]
You can change the spring on a glock 19.

It's a great gun.


wheel gun is very limited. I would go for an automatic with a double stack mag. And stay 9mm. Just because it's not a 45 doesnt mean it isn't worth its weight in gold when it counts.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:11:48 PM EDT

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:12:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 9:12:33 PM EDT by ALPHAGHOST]
full size 1911

smaller grip width, a tad lighter on the spring, short trigger pull....
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:15:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
You can change the spring on a glock 19.

It's a great gun.


wheel gun is very limited. I would go for an automatic with a double stack mag. And stay 9mm. Just because it's not a 45 doesnt mean it isn't worth its weight in gold when it counts.



oh really

That might work out OK. She could get her paws around it and pull the trigger, and she could handle the recoil. I just wouldn't want to leave her with a gun that she was not 100% functional around. Where do I go to get one of these springs and take it for a spin?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:15:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Depends on if you want to kill her or just wound her good.



Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:27:18 PM EDT
Are you showing her the proper technique for racking a slide and holding the snubby? I don't really see how anyone can be so weak that they can't rack the slide except perhaps the extremely elderly.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:31:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
You can change the spring on a glock 19.

It's a great gun.


wheel gun is very limited. I would go for an automatic with a double stack mag. And stay 9mm. Just because it's not a 45 doesnt mean it isn't worth its weight in gold when it counts.



oh really

That might work out OK. She could get her paws around it and pull the trigger, and she could handle the recoil. I just wouldn't want to leave her with a gun that she was not 100% functional around. Where do I go to get one of these springs and take it for a spin?


http://www.glockmeister.com/ has parts http://glockmeister.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/5?osCsid=ee418b1dca5224624ed4f49b55a198a0

Just be careful to weak of a spring and you will have a fte and thats not any good.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:33:03 PM EDT
if she cannot rack the slide on a glock 19 you DEFINATELY should go with a wheelgun. Smith and wesson makes an awesome 7 or 8 shot 22 magnum.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:33:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BridgerNY:
Are you showing her the proper technique for racking a slide and holding the snubby? I don't really see how anyone can be so weak that they can't rack the slide except perhaps the extremely elderly.


Some woman are simply petite
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:34:22 PM EDT
get her an old .38 with a 4 inch bbl...if she needs ccw a snubby...if it hurt before she was holding it wrong or the loads were too hot...
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:36:36 PM EDT
MP5.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:36:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:53:35 PM EDT
A couple of years ago when my mom wanted to upgrade her defensive pistol she shot a bunch of mine and decided she liked the 1911 best, but she couldn't rack the slide. It was a matter of not haveing enough grip strength in her left hand. We went to a couple of gun shops and looked at "similar" guns. She ended up getting a Ruger P90 , a limited edition two tone with hogue grip. She was able to rack the slide with no trouble. I looked it up but I don't remember exactly I think that the Rugers recoil spring was 3 or 4 lbs lighter than a standard 1911.
The new Ruger 45, P345 looks to be a pretty handy slim little gun.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:58:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 10:21:07 PM EDT by warlord]
For a woman with small hands I would get a S&W SS J-frame Mod 60 with a 3" bbl in 38spl.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:08:18 PM EDT
It all comes down to hand strength. If she cannot rack a slide, she may not be able to manage a double action trigger pull either.

FWIW, my daughter shoots a full-size 1911 with a 14 lb recoil spring and has no problem racking the slide.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:09:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:11:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
It all comes down to hand strength. If she cannot rack a slide, she may not be able to manage a double action trigger pull either.

FWIW, my daughter shoots a full-size 1911 with a 14 lb recoil spring and has no problem racking the slide.


I belive thats lighter than a stock 19 by quite a bit.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:17:31 PM EDT
When I saw the title my first thought was my AR15. However when reading your post I think I have to agree with the suggestion of the .38. Very nice gun.

Patty
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:21:00 PM EDT
when my daughter was 7 she was shooting her moms S&W model 36 lady smith, she didn't like the recoil of the standard 38spl at first but the more she shot it the less it bothered her, her mom 5'3" 115lbs handled the lady smith very well, but she developed a deffinate flinch real quick shooting my 45acp and 357.


MLW>"<
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:21:19 PM EDT
My wife really liked shooting my G19 until I got her hooked on shooting .38 rounds out of my Taurus .357 with a 7" ported barrel.

It's the one on the bottom.

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:23:13 PM EDT
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:27:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 10:28:46 PM EDT by jnewson]

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



That's why you get both! I love my wheel guns, but my next purchase will be a 1911 or a Taurus 24/7 (for carry).
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:32:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
when my daughter was 7 she was shooting her moms S&W model 36 lady smith, she didn't like the recoil of the standard 38spl at first but the more she shot it the less it bothered her, her mom 5'3" 115lbs handled the lady smith very well, but she developed a deffinate flinch real quick shooting my 45acp and 357.

MLW>"<


For novice shooters, I would start with a 22LR revovler, and progress up to a 22LR pistol. Then progress to revovler 38spl, and then to 357Mag, 45ACP, 9mm etc. People shooting a gun that is too much can develop seriour flinching that requires a lot of effort to undo.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:33:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



shot placement. it only takes one bullet if you can hit your target.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:33:51 PM EDT
Lady smith in 38.spl.

Expensive but accurate,reliable and made with a woman's features in mind.

Stoked up with those 38.+P mag-safe rounds that piece should just about handle anything that might come her way.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:35:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tugboat:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



shot placement. it only takes one bullet if you can hit your target.


Well if every one was an ace than yes one bullet would be enough, but in reality under such stress few could hit the side of a barn.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:43:02 PM EDT
Had tons of female customers and shooters at the gun shop range I worked at. Most of the ended up being better and more responsible shooters than than 75% of the guys who came in. Ruger SP101 with a trigger job and smoothed polished trigger face, generally heavier than the Smiths and Taurus's, it eats up recoil. If she can get get the hip lunge slide racking technique down introduce her to a SIG P239 in 9mm ( single stack)or Sig P232 in 380.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:44:44 PM EDT
I LOVE my Browning Hi Power.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:35:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



90% of all encounters last 3(Three) rounds.

If you plan on taking down gang bangers by the lot you better start going to certified classes.

Start small and simple. Work up to large and complex.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:52:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By tugboat:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



shot placement. it only takes one bullet if you can hit your target.


Well if every one was an ace than yes one bullet would be enough, but in reality under such stress few could hit the side of a barn.



Are you planning on needing 45+ rounds in a self defence situation? If she can handle a revolver better, it will handle 99.99% of self defence scenario's. Do you really think a lightly trained woman will be able to do a tactical reload under fire?

This has got to be a, fire two rounds and get the f*** out of there kind of thing.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:44:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



You may be thinking a little too far ahead. If she wants to ccw 3 rounds is the average exchange. The smallest snub holds 5. If she can't work an auto she should still be able to work a speed loader and if she can't or won't carry a speed loader what makes you think she will carry an extra mag for an auto? Put the rounds on target. Very few women are going to ever be in an extended gun fight. Plan for what is likely to happen not everything that could possibly happen.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:56:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:11:48 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Question for you wheel gun lovers, what happens when you need to reload? Seriously how pratical are they in self defense when you can have a 15 round magazine in the gun plus two more beside it with one in the pipe.



Revolvers served a heck of a lot of police and military officers for decades without a problem. The automatic is a new and more complex machine, more likely to fail you than a revolver...loathe though I am to admit it.

If she can't properly rack a slide Dr. Mauser's perscription is pushups and hand grippers for increasing her strength.

(with apologies to Old_Painless)




I'm sure there are plenty of automatics out there she can rack and fire comfortably, the trick is to find them. Also, try a .38 with a longer barrel. You'd be suprised what an extra inch or two will do to felt recoil.

heh, that's what she said.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:09:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
wheel gun is very limited. I would go for an automatic with a double stack mag. And stay 9mm. Just because it's not a 45 doesnt mean it isn't worth its weight in gold when it counts.



This is a bad idea in my opinion and I'll tell you why. When I met my g/f she'd never fired a gun. I owned one gun, a Sig P228. I took her shooting and she loved it, but she had trouble racking it and she's petite (small hands) and said the grip was too thick for her.

Over the next couple of years my collection grew exponentially. The next pistol I got was a Sig p239, a single stack 9mm. She had no trouble racking it, and loved the slim grip offered by the single stack. She got comfortble with the 239 and moved up from there. Once she got her hands on my 220 it was all over. She now owns her own G-19, Sig P239, Sig P220, and Sig Mosquito, with her favorite being the .45ACP P220! Not bad for a girl who couldn't pull the slide on a nine mil.

Giver her something she's comfortable with at first, have her go into the gun shop and handle some pistols. Rent the one's she likes and try them out. If you scare her off with something that's too much for her at the beginning you'll never get her back to the range.

The gradual approach gave me a great shooting partner that was very reluctant at first. Now she goes shooting without me! Good luck!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:04:39 AM EDT
How about a Ruger Mk II or a Browning Buckmark?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:32:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
How about a Ruger Mk II or a Browning Buckmark?



Precisely.

If she needs the gun for self defense, a face full of Stingers will suffice for the bad guy.

Let her work into a larger caliber, regardless of function.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:26:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
How about a Ruger Mk II or a Browning Buckmark?



Precisely.

If she needs the gun for self defense, a face full of Stingers will suffice for the bad guy.

Let her work into a larger caliber, regardless of function.



I already have a mkii, she's OK with it so for the moment I consider it hers. I just don't want to leave her alone with it. I don't have confidence in the .22lr round as a stopper. It's better than a rape whistle, tho.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:32:59 AM EDT
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