People are the same everywhere. It doesn't matter what language they speak or where they are. It's just basic psycology. Some people do things because they are assholes who like being in power positions over others. Some do things because they just want to "go along to get along", some are "true believers"(ultra patriotic, etc), some are legitimately afraid, etc, etc. Someone mentioned above that what happened in germany is a good cautionary tale for everyone including us. Anyone who thinks "it can never happen here" is a fool. History is filled with terrible things done by otherwise great people. As soneone else said above "people will do anything". I think _one_ of the many things that led to what happened there was one of the same things that is leading to problems here now. Socialism. It breeds sheeple. Bad news. As the founders of this country said, the price of freedom is vigilance.

What was it that was written around the edge of old nazi era german coins? Something to the effect of "the good of the state always comes before the interests of the individual". Sounds damn familiar, doesn't it? Socialism at work.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sooooooo, they were sheep and Sylvan and Vitto are right................... Next topic. Lame, I'm not the one defending the German people who put in power, fought for, died for, and supported Hitler. If its so great there, you are welcome to go back at anytime.

I was born an American.  Why would I go live in a country I've only visited?

Quoted: If its so great there, you are welcome to go back at anytime.

holy shit, d00d, you're kinda going off the deep end here, aren't you?

Quoted: See that’s one problem right there. Associating anyone who was German at the time as being a Nazi. The intent of my input into this thread is the fact that many Germans who were decent people were forced into service and treated no better than anyone else the Nazis persecuted

First know this, the actual mass murderers were a small percentage.

With that out of the way....

For an army made up of millions of people who did not want to fight they sure fielded a damn good army!! The fact of the matter is, most Germans joining the army were joining to fight for their country. And that’s the way they saw it. They were literally just German GI.

As far as how Hitler managed to come to power, this is probably the worst environment to try to discuss such a thing in.....

Quoted: I don't find it hard to believe at all that the majority of Germans had no idea of what was being done in the Death Camps.  Most people are just like that.  Look at the US today. Who knows, maybe someday drastic actions will need to be taken against Turks in Germany... With all this talk of the Germans being Evil though, whatever the hell that means...aside from any nonsense about the Wages of Sin or any other such gibberish, what exactly did we save the German people from, had they won the war?  Why should they thank us?

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"I don't find it hard to believe at all that the majority of Germans had no idea of what was being done in the Death Camps. "

I find it easy to believe there was something quite unusual and untoward occuring in German society.  Families being rounded-up,  Jewish property and businesses transferred either to the state or to "decent" citizens.  Jews being herded onto cattle-cars, never seen again.  Dachau was opened near Munich, a large population center.  Could one truly believe that the constant burning from chimneys was simply some sort of war-time production?  From a camp where people entered and never left?

Here's a timeline of occurances...to believe German society had no knowledge of what was going on is a painful mistake:

March 22, 1933 - Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich, to be followed by Buchenwald near Weimar in central Germany, Sachsenhausen near Berlin in northern Germany, and Ravensbrück for women.
March 24, 1933 - German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers.
April 1, 1933 - Nazis stage boycott of Jewish shops and businesses.April 11, 1933 - Nazis issue a decree defining a non-Aryan as "anyone descended from non-Aryan, especially Jewish, parents or grandparents. One parent or grandparent classifies the descendant as non-Aryan...especially if one parent or grandparent was of the Jewish faith."
April 26, 1933 - The Gestapo is born, created by Hermann Göring in the German state of Prussia.
May 10, 1933 - Burning of books in Berlin and throughout Germany.
July 14, 1933 - Nazi Party is declared the only legal party in Germany; Also, Nazis pass Law to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of their German citizenship.
In July - Nazis pass law allowing for forced sterilization of those found by a Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects.
In Sept - Nazis establish Reich Chamber of Culture, then exclude Jews from the Arts.
Sept 29, 1933 - Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.
Oct 4, 1933 - Jews are prohibited from being newspaper editors.
Nov 24, 1933 - Nazis pass a Law against Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.
Jan 24, 1934 - Jews are banned from the German Labor Front.
May 17, 1934 - Jews not allowed national health insurance.
June 30, 1934 - The Night of Long Knives occurs as Hitler, Göring and Himmler conduct a purge of the SA (storm trooper) leadership.
July 20, 1934 - The SS (Schutzstaffel) is made an independent organization from the SA.
July 22, 1934 - Jews are prohibited from getting legal qualifications.
Aug 2, 1934 - German President von Hindenburg dies. Hitler becomes Führer.
Aug 19, 1934 - Hitler receives a 90 percent 'Yes' vote from German voters approving his new powers.
May 21, 1935 - Nazis ban Jews from serving in the military.
June 26, 1935 - Nazis pass law allowing forced abortions on women to prevent them from passing on hereditary diseases.
Aug 6, 1935 - Nazis force Jewish performers/artists to join Jewish Cultural Unions.
Sept 15, 1935 - Nuremberg Race Laws against Jews decreed.
Feb 10, 1936 - The German Gestapo is placed above the law.
In March - SS Deathshead division is established to guard concentration camps.
March 7, 1936 - Nazis occupy the Rhineland.
June 17, 1936 - Heinrich Himmler is appointed chief of the German Police.
Aug 1, 1936 - Olympic games begin in Berlin. Hitler and top Nazis seek to gain legitimacy through favorable public opinion from foreign visitors and thus temporarily refrain from actions against Jews.
In Aug - Nazis set up an Office for Combating Homosexuality and Abortions (by healthy women).
In Jan - Jews are banned from many professional occupations including teaching Germans, and from being accountants or dentists. They are also denied tax reductions and child allowances.
Nov 8, 1937 - 'Eternal Jew' travelling exhibition opens in Munich.
March 12/13, 1938 - Nazi troops enter Austria, which has a population of 200,000 Jews, mainly living in Vienna. Hitler announces Anschluss (union) with Austria.
In March - After the Anschluss, the SS is placed in charge of Jewish affairs in Austria with Adolf Eichmann establishing an Office for Jewish Emigration in Vienna. Himmler then establishes Mauthausen concentration camp near Linz.
April 22, 1938 - Nazis prohibit Aryan 'front-ownership' of Jewish businesses.
April 26, 1938 - Nazis order Jews to register wealth and property.
June 14, 1938 - Nazis order Jewish owned businesses to register.
In July - At Evian, France, the U.S. convenes a League of Nations conference with delegates from 32 countries to consider helping Jews fleeing Hitler, but results in inaction as no country will accept them.
July 6, 1938 - Nazis prohibited Jews from trading and providing a variety of specified commercial services.
July 23, 1938 - Nazis order Jews over age 15 to apply for identity cards from the police, to be shown on demand to any police officer.
July 25, 1938 - Jewish doctors prohibited by law from practicing medicine.
Aug 11, 1938 - Nazis destroy the synagogue in Nuremberg.
Aug 17, 1938 - Nazis require Jewish women to add Sarah and men to add Israel to their names on all legal documents including passports.
Sept 27, 1938 - Jews are prohibited from all legal practices.
Oct 5, 1938 - Law requires Jewish passports to be stamped with a large red "J."
Oct 15, 1938 - Nazi troops occupy the Sudetenland.
Oct 28, 1938 - Nazis arrest 17,000 Jews of Polish nationality living in Germany, then expel them back to Poland which refuses them entry, leaving them in 'no-man's land' near the Polish border for several months.
Nov 7, 1938 - Ernst vom Rath, third secretary in the German Embassy in Paris, is shot and mortally wounded by Herschel Grynszpan, the 17 year old son of one of the deported Polish Jews. Rath dies on November 9, precipitating Kristallnacht.
Nov 9/10 - Kristallnacht - The Night of Broken Glass.
Nov 12, 1938 - Nazis fine Jews one billion marks for damages related to Kristallnacht.
Nov 15, 1938 - Jewish pupils are expelled from all non-Jewish German schools.
Dec 3, 1938 - Law for compulsory Aryanization of all Jewish businesses.
Dec 14, 1938 - Hermann Göring takes charge of resolving the "Jewish Question."
Jan 24, 1939 - SS leader Reinhard Heydrich is ordered by Göring to speed up emigration of Jews.
Jan 30, 1939 - Hitler threatens Jews during Reichstag speech.
Feb 21, 1939 - Nazis force Jews to hand over all gold and silver items.
March 15/16 - Nazi troops seize Czechoslovakia (Jewish pop. 350,000).
April 19, 1939 - Slovakia passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.
April 30, 1939 - Jews lose rights as tenants and are relocated into Jewish houses.
In May - The St. Louis, a ship crowded with 930 Jewish refugees, is turned away by Cuba, the United States and other countries and returns to Europe.
July 4, 1939 - German Jews denied the right to hold government jobs.
July 21, 1939 - Adolf Eichmann is appointed director of the Prague Office of Jewish Emigration.
Sept 1, 1939 - Nazis invade Poland (Jewish pop. 3.35 million, the largest in Europe). Beginning of SS activity in Poland.
Sept 1, 1939 - Jews in Germany are forbidden to be outdoors after 8 p.m. in winter and 9 p.m. in summer.
Sept 3, 1939 - England and France declare war on Germany.
Sept 4, 1939 - Warsaw is cut off by the German Army.
Sept 17, 1939 - Soviet troops invade eastern Poland.
Sept 21, 1939 - Heydrich issues instructions to SS Einsatzgruppen (special action squads) in Poland regarding treatment of Jews, stating they are to be gathered into ghettos near railroads for the future "final goal." He also orders a census and the establishment of Jewish administrative councils within the ghettos to implement Nazi policies and decrees.
Sept 23, 1939 - German Jews are forbidden to own wireless (radio) sets.
Sept 27, 1939 - Warsaw surrenders; Heydrich becomes leader of RSHA.
Sept 29, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets divide up Poland. Over two million Jews reside in Nazi controlled areas, leaving 1.3 million in the Soviet area.
In Sept - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "The Jewish people ought to be exterminated root and branch. Then the plague of pests would have disappeared in Poland at one stroke."
In Oct - Nazis begin euthanasia on sick and disabled in Germany.
Oct 6, 1939 - Proclamation by Hitler on the isolation of Jews.
Oct 12, 1939 - Evacuation of Jews from Vienna.
Oct 12, 1939 - Hans Frank appointed Nazi Gauleiter (governor) of Poland.
Oct 26, 1939 - Forced labor decree issued for Polish Jews aged 14 to 60.
Nov 23, 1939 - Yellow stars required to be worn by Polish Jews over age 10.
In Dec - Adolf Eichmann takes over section IV B4 of the Gestapo dealing solely with Jewish affairs and evacuations.
Jan 25, 1940 - Nazis choose the town of Oswiecim (Auschwitz) in Poland near Krakow as site of new concentration camp.
In Jan - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "...The time is near when a machine will go into motion which is going to prepare a grave for the world's criminal - Judah - from which there will be no resurrection."
Feb 12, 1940 - First deportation of German Jews into occupied Poland.
April 9, 1940 - Nazis invade Denmark (Jewish pop. 8,000) and Norway (Jewish pop. 2,000).
April 30, 1940 - The Lodz Ghetto in occupied Poland is sealed off from the outside world with 230,000 Jews locked inside.
May 1, 1940 - Rudolf Höss is chosen to be kommandant of Auschwitz.
May 10, 1940 - Nazis invade France (Jewish pop. 350,000), Belgium (Jewish pop. 65,000), Holland (Jewish pop. 140,000), and Luxembourg (Jewish pop. 3,500).
June 14, 1940 - Paris is occupied by the Nazis.
June 22, 1940 - France signs an armistice with Hitler.
In July - Eichmann's Madagascar Plan presented, proposing to deport all European Jews to the island of Madagascar, off the coast of east Africa.
July 17, 1940 - The first anti-Jewish measures are taken in Vichy France.
Aug 8, 1940 - Romania introduces anti-Jewish measures restricting education and employment, then later begins "Romanianization" of Jewish businesses.
Sept 27, 1940 - Tripartite (Axis) Pact signed by Germany, Italy and Japan.
Oct 3, 1940 - Vichy France passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.
Oct 7, 1940 - Nazis invade Romania (Jewish pop. 34,000).
Oct 22, 1940 - Deportation of 29,000 German Jews from Baden, the Saar, and Alsace-Lorraine into Vichy France.
In Nov - Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia become Nazi Allies.
In Nov - The Krakow Ghetto is sealed off containing 70,000 Jews.
Nov 15, 1940 - The Warsaw Ghetto, containing over 400,000 Jews, is sealed off.
In 1941 - Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, states, "I ask nothing of the Jews except that they should disappear."
In Jan - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "Now judgment has begun and it will reach its conclusion only when knowledge of the Jews has been erased from the earth."
In Jan - A pogrom in Romania results in over 2,000 Jews killed.
Feb 22, 1941 - 430 Jewish hostages are deported from Amsterdam after a Dutch Nazi is killed by Jews.
In March - Hitler's Commissar Order authorizes execution of anyone suspected of being a Communist official in territories about to be seized from the Soviets.
March 1, 1941 - Himmler makes his first visit to Auschwitz, during which he orders Kommandant Höss to begin massive expansion, including a new compound to be built at nearby Birkenau that can hold 100,000 prisoners.
March 2, 1941 - Nazis occupy Bulgaria (Jewish pop. 50,000).
March 7, 1941 - German Jews ordered into forced labor.
March 26, 1941 - The German Army High Command gives approval to RSHA and Heydrich on the tasks of SS murder squads (Einsatzgruppen) in occupied Poland.
March 29, 1941 - A 'Commissariat' for Jewish Affairs is set up in Vichy France.
April 6, 1941 - Nazis invade Yugoslavia (Jewish pop. 75,000) and Greece (Jewish pop. 77,000).
May 14, 1941 - 3,600 Jews arrested in Paris.
May 16, 1941 - French Marshal Petain issues a radio broadcast approving collaboration with Hitler.
June 22, 1941 - Nazis invade the Soviet Union (Jewish pop. 3 million).
June 29/30 - Romanian troops conduct a pogrom against Jews in the town of Jassy, killing 10,000.
Summer - Himmler summons Auschwitz Kommandant Höss to Berlin and tells him, "The Führer has ordered the Final Solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, have to carry out this order...I have therefore chosen Auschwitz for this purpose."
In July - As the German Army advances, SS Einsatzgruppen follow along and conduct mass murder of Jews in seized lands.
In July - Ghettos established at Kovno, Minsk, Vitebsk and Zhitomer. Also in July, the government of Vichy France seizes Jewish owned property.
July 17, 1941 - Nazi racial 'philosopher' Alfred Rosenberg is appointed Reich Minister for the Eastern Occupied Territories to administer territories seized from the Soviet Union.
July 21, 1941 - In occupied Poland near Lublin, Majdanek concentration camp becomes operational.
July 25/26 - 3,800 Jews killed during a pogrom by Lithuanians in Kovno.
July 31, 1941 - Göring instructs Heydrich to prepare for Final Solution.
In Aug - Jews in Romania forced into Transnistria. By December, 70,000 perish.
In Aug - Ghettos established at Bialystok and Lvov.
Aug 26, 1941 - The Hungarian Army rounds up 18,000 Jews at Kamenets-Podolsk.
Sept 3, 1941 - The first test use of Zyklon-B gas at Auschwitz.
Sept 1, 1941 - German Jews ordered to wear yellow stars.
Sept 6, 1941 - The Vilna Ghetto is established containing 40,000 Jews.
Sept 17, 1941 - Beginning of general deportation of German Jews.
Sept 19, 1941 - Nazis take Kiev.
Sept 27/28 - 23,000 Jews killed at Kamenets-Podolsk, in the Ukraine.
Sept 29/30 - SS Einsatzgruppen murder 33,771 Jews at Babi Yar near Kiev.
In Oct - 35,000 Jews from Odessa shot.
Oct 2, 1941 - Beginning of the German Army drive on Moscow.
Oct 23, 1941 - Nazis forbid emigration of Jews from the Reich.
In Nov - SS Einsatzgruppe B reports a tally of 45,476 Jews killed.
Nov 24, 1941 - Theresienstadt Ghetto is established near Prague, Czechoslovakia. The Nazis will use it as a model ghetto for propaganda purposes.
Nov 30, 1941 - Near Riga, a mass shooting of Latvian and German Jews.
Dec 7, 1941 - Japanese attack United States at Pearl Harbor. The next day the U.S. and Britain declare war on Japan.
Dec 8, 1941 - In occupied Poland, near Lodz, Chelmno extermination camp becomes operational. Jews taken there are placed in mobile gas vans and driven to a burial place while carbon monoxide from the engine exhaust is fed into the sealed rear compartment, killing them. The first gassing victims include 5,000 Gypsies who had been deported from the Reich to Lodz.
Dec 11, 1941 - Hitler declares war on the United States. Roosevelt then declares war on Germany saying, "Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization." The U.S.A. then enters the war in Europe and will concentrate nearly 90 percent of its military resources to defeat Hitler.
Dec 12, 1941 - The ship "Struma" leaves Romania for Palestine carrying 769 Jews but is later denied permission by British authorities to allow the passengers to disembark. In Feb. 1942, it sails back into the Black Sea where it is intercepted by a Soviet submarine and sunk as an "enemy target."
Dec 16, 1941 - During a cabinet meeting, Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, states - "Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourselves of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews wherever we find them and wherever it is possible in order to maintain there the structure of the Reich as a whole..."
In Jan - Mass killings of Jews using Zyklon-B begin at Auschwitz-Birkenau in Bunker I (the red farmhouse) in Birkenau with the bodies being buried in mass graves in a nearby meadow.
Jan 20, 1942 - Wannsee Conference to coordinate the "Final Solution."
Jan 31, 1942 - SS Einsatzgruppe A reports a tally of 229,052 Jews killed.
In March - In occupied Poland, Belzec extermination camp becomes operational. The camp is fitted with permanent gas chambers using carbon monoxide piped in from engines placed outside the chamber, but will later substitute Zyklon-B.
March 17, 1942 - The deportation of Jews from Lublin to Belzec.
March 24, 1942 - The start of deportation of Slovak Jews to Auschwitz.
March 27, 1942 - The start of deportation of French Jews to Auschwitz.
March 28, 1942 - Fritz Sauckel named Chief of Manpower to expedite recruitment of slave labor.
March 30, 1942 - First trainloads of Jews from Paris arrive at Auschwitz.
In April - First transports of Jews arrive at Majdanek.
April 20, 1942 - German Jews are banned from using public transportation.
In May - In occupied Poland, Sobibor extermination camp becomes operational. The camp is fitted with three gas chambers using carbon monoxide piped in from engines, but will later substitute Zyklon-B.
May 18, 1942 - The New York Times reports on an inside page that Nazis have machine-gunned over 100,000 Jews in the Baltic states, 100,000 in Poland and twice as many in western Russia.
May 27, 1942 - SS leader Heydrich is mortally wounded by Czech Underground agents.
In June - Gas vans used in Riga.
June 1, 1942 - Jews in France, Holland, Belgium, Croatia, Slovakia, Romania ordered to wear yellow stars.
June 4, 1942 - Heydrich dies of his wounds.
June 5, 1942 - SS report 97,000 persons have been "processed" in mobile gas vans.
June 10, 1942 - Nazis liquidate Lidice in retaliation for Heydrich's death.
June 11, 1942 - Eichmann meets with representatives from France, Belgium and Holland to coordinate deportation plans for Jews.
June 30, 1942 - At Auschwitz, a second gas chamber, Bunker II (the white farmhouse), is made operational at Birkenau due to the number of Jews arriving.
June 30 and July 2 - The New York Times reports via the London Daily Telegraph that over 1,000,000 Jews have already been killed by Nazis.
Summer - Swiss representatives of the World Jewish Congress receive information from a German industrialist regarding the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews. They then pass the information on to London and Washington.
July 2, 1942 - Jews from Berlin sent to Theresienstadt.
July 7, 1942 - Himmler grants permission for sterilization experiments at Auschwitz.
July 14, 1942 - Beginning of deportation of Dutch Jews to Auschwitz.
July 16/17 - 12,887 Jews of Paris are rounded up and sent to Drancy Internment Camp located outside the city. A total of approximately 74,000 Jews, including 11,000 children, will eventually be transported from Drancy to Auschwitz, Majdanek and Sobibor.
July 17/18 - Himmler visits Auschwitz-Birkenau for two days, inspecting all ongoing construction and expansion, then observes the extermination process from start to finish as two trainloads of Jews arrive from Holland. Kommandant Höss is then promoted. Construction includes four large gas chamber/crematories.
July 19, 1942 - Himmler orders Operation Reinhard, mass deportations of Jews in Poland to extermination camps.
July 22, 1942 - Beginning of deportations from the Warsaw Ghetto to the new extermination camp, Treblinka. Also, beginning of the deportation of Belgian Jews to Auschwitz.
July 23, 1942 - Treblinka extermination camp opened in occupied Poland, east of Warsaw. The camp is fitted with two buildings containing 10 gas chambers, each holding 200 persons. Carbon monoxide gas is piped in from engines placed outside the chamber, but Zyklon-B will later be substituted. Bodies are burned in open pits.
In Aug - The start of deportations of Croatian Jews to Auschwitz.
Aug 23, 1942 - Beginning of German Army attack on Stalingrad.
Aug 26-28 - 7,000 Jews arrested in unoccupied France.
Sept 9, 1942 - Open pit burning of bodies begins at Auschwitz in place of burial. The decision is made to dig up and burn those already buried, 107,000 corpses, to prevent fouling of ground water.
Sept 18, 1942 - Reduction of food rations for Jews in Germany.
Sept 26, 1942 - SS begins cashing in possessions and valuables of Jews from Auschwitz and Majdanek. German banknotes are sent to the Reichs Bank. Foreign currency, gold, jewels and other valuables are sent to SS Headquarters of the Economic Administration. Watches, clocks and pens are distributed to troops at the front. Clothing is distributed to German families. By Feb. 1943, over 800 boxcars of confiscated goods will have left Auschwitz.
Oct 5, 1942 - Himmler orders all Jews in concentration camps in Germany to be sent to Auschwitz and Majdanek.
Oct 5, 1942 - A German eyewitness observes SS mass murder.
Oct 14, 1942 - Mass killing of Jews from Mizocz Ghetto in the Ukraine.
Oct 22, 1942 - SS put down a revolt at Sachsenhausen by a group of Jews about to be sent to Auschwitz.
Oct 25, 1942 - Deportations of Jews from Norway to Auschwitz begin.
Oct 28, 1942 - The first transport from Theresienstadt arrives at Auschwitz.
In Nov - The mass killing of 170,000 Jews in the area of Bialystok.
Dec 10, 1942 - The first transport of Jews from Germany arrives at Auschwitz.
In Dec - Exterminations at Belzec cease after an estimated 600,000 Jews have been murdered. The camp is then dismantled, plowed over and planted.
Dec 17, 1942 - British Foreign Secretary Eden tells the British House of Commons the Nazis are "now carrying into effect Hitler's oft repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people of Europe." U.S. declares those crimes will be avenged.
Dec 28, 1942 - Sterilization experiments on women at Birkenau begin.
In 1943 - The number of Jews killed by SS Einsatzgruppen passes one million. Nazis then use special units of slave laborers to dig up and burn the bodies to remove all traces.
Jan 18, 1943 - First resistance by Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
Jan 29, 1943 - Nazis order all Gypsies arrested and sent to extermination camps.
Jan 30, 1943 - Ernst Kaltenbrunner succeeds Heydrich as head of RSHA.
In Feb - The Romanian government proposes to the Allies the transfer of 70,000 Jews to Palestine, but receives no response from Britain or the U.S.
In Feb - Greek Jews are ordered into ghettos.
Feb 2, 1943 - Germans surrender at Stalingrad in the first big defeat of Hitler's armies.
Feb 27, 1943 - Jews working in Berlin armaments industry are sent to Auschwitz.
In March - The start of deportations of Jews from Greece to Auschwitz, lasting until August, totaling 49,900 persons.
March 1, 1943 - In New York, American Jews hold a mass rally at Madison Square Garden to pressure the U.S. government into helping the Jews of Europe
March 14, 1943 - The Krakow Ghetto is liquidated.
March 17, 1943 - Bulgaria states opposition to deportation of its Jews.
March 22, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory IV opens at Auschwitz.
March 31, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory II opens at Auschwitz.
April 4, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory V opens at Auschwitz.
April 9, 1943 - Exterminations at Chelmno cease. The camp will be reactivated in the spring of 1944 to liquidate ghettos. In all, Chelmno will total 300,000 deaths.
April 19-30 - The Bermuda Conference occurs as representatives from the U.S. and Britain discuss the problem of refugees from Nazi-occupied countries, but results in inaction concerning the plight of the Jews.
April 19, 1943 - Waffen SS attacks Jewish Resistance in Warsaw Ghetto.
In May - SS Dr. Josef Mengele arrives at Auschwitz.
May 13, 1943 - German and Italian troops in North Africa surrender to Allies.
May 19, 1943 - Nazis declare Berlin to be Judenfrei (cleansed of Jews).
June 11, 1943 - Himmler orders liquidation of all Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland.
June 25, 1943 - Newly built gas chamber/crematory III opens at Auschwitz. With its completion, the four new crematories at Auschwitz have a daily capacity of 4,756 bodies.
July 9/10 - Allies land in Sicily.
Aug 2, 1943 - Two hundred Jews escape from Treblinka extermination camp during a revolt. Nazis then hunt them down one by one.
Aug 16, 1943 - The Bialystok Ghetto is liquidated.
In Aug - Exterminations cease at Treblinka, after an estimated 870,000 deaths.
In Sept - The Vilna and Minsk Ghettos are liquidated.
Sept 11, 1943 - Germans occupy Rome, after occupying northern and central Italy, containing in all about 35,000 Jews.
Sept 11, 1943 - Beginning of Jewish family transports from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz.
In Oct - The Danish Underground helps transport 7,220 Danish Jews to safety in Sweden by sea.
Oct 4 - Himmler talks openly about the Final Solution at Posen.
Oct 14, 1943 - Massive escape from Sobibor as Jews and Soviet POWs break out, with 300 making it safely into nearby woods. Of those 300, fifty will survive. Exterminations then cease at Sobibor, after over 250,000 deaths. All traces of the death camp are then removed and trees are planted.
Oct 16, 1943 - Jews in Rome rounded up, with over 1,000 sent to Auschwitz.
In Nov - The Riga Ghetto is liquidated.
In Nov - The U.S. Congress holds hearings regarding the U.S. State Department's inaction regarding European Jews, despite mounting reports of mass extermination.
Nov 3, 1943 - Nazis carry out Operation Harvest Festival in occupied Poland, killing 42,000 Jews.
Nov 4, 1943 - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "It is actually true that the Jews have, so to speak, disappeared from Europe and that the Jewish 'Reservoir of the East' from which the Jewish pestilence has for centuries beset the peoples of Europe has ceased to exist. But the Führer of the German people at the beginning of the war prophesied what has now come to pass."
Nov 11, 1943 - Auschwitz Kommandant Höss is promoted to chief inspector of concentration camps. The new kommandant, Liebehenschel, then divides up the vast Auschwitz complex of over 30 sub-camps into three main sections.
Dec 2, 1943 - The first transport of Jews from Vienna arrives at Auschwitz.
Dec 16, 1943 - The chief surgeon at Auschwitz reports that 106 castration operations have been performed.
Jan 3, 1944 - Soviet troops reach former Polish border.
Jan 24, 1944 - In response to political pressure to help Jews under Nazi control, Roosevelt creates the War Refugee Board.
Jan 25, 1944 - Diary entry by Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, concerning the fate of 2.5 million Jews originally under his jurisdiction - "At the present time we still have in the General Government perhaps 100,000 Jews."
In Feb - Eichmann visits Auschwitz.
March 19, 1944 - Nazis occupy Hungary (Jewish pop. 725,000). Eichmann arrives with Gestapo "Special Section Commandos."
March 24, 1944 - President Roosevelt issues a statement condemning German and Japanese ongoing "crimes against humanity."
April 5, 1944 - A Jewish inmate, Siegfried Lederer, escapes from Auschwitz-Birkenau and makes it safely to Czechoslovakia. He then warns the Elders of the Council at Theresienstadt about Auschwitz.
April 6, 1944 - Nazis raid a French home for Jewish children.
April 7, 1944 - Two Jewish inmates escape from Auschwitz-Birkenau and make it safely to Czechoslovakia. One of them, Rudolf Vrba, submits a report to the Papal Nuncio in Slovakia which is forwarded to the Vatican, received there in mid June.
April 14, 1944 - First transports of Jews from Athens to Auschwitz, totaling 5,200 persons.
In May - Himmler's agents secretly propose to the western Allies to trade Jews for trucks, other commodities or money.
May 8, 1944 - Rudolf Höss returns to Auschwitz, ordered by Himmler to oversee the extermination of Hungarian Jews.
May 15, 1944 - Beginning of deportation of Jews from Hungary to Auschwitz.
May 16, 1944 - Jews from Hungary arrive at Auschwitz. Eichmann arrives to personally oversee and speed up the extermination process. By May 24, an estimated 100,000 have been gassed. Between May 16 and May 31, the SS report collecting 88 pounds of gold and white metal from the teeth of those gassed. By the end of June, 381,661 persons - half of the Jews in Hungary - arrive at Auschwitz.
In June - A Red Cross delegation visits Theresienstadt after the Nazis have carefully prepared the camp and the Jewish inmates, resulting in a favorable report.
June 6, 1944 - D-Day: Allied landings in Normandy.
June 12, 1944 - Rosenberg orders Hay Action the kidnapping of 40,000 Polish children aged ten to fourteen for slave labor in the Reich.
Summer - Auschwitz-Birkenau records its highest-ever daily number of persons gassed and burned at just over 9,000. Six huge pits are used to burn bodies, as the number exceeds the capacity of the crematories.
In July - Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg arrives in Budapest, Hungary, and proceeds to save nearly 33,000 Jews by issuing diplomatic papers and establishing 'safe houses.'
July 24, 1944 - Soviet troops liberate first concentration camp at Majdanek where over 360,000 had been murdered.
Aug 4, 1944 - Anne Frank and family arrested by Gestapo in Amsterdam, then sent to Auschwitz. Anne and her sister Margot are later sent to Bergen-Belsen where Anne dies of typhus on March 15, 1945.
Aug 6, 1944 - The last Jewish ghetto in Poland, Lodz, is liquidated with 60,000 Jews sent to Auschwitz.
Oct 7, 1944 - A revolt by Sonderkommando (Jewish slave laborers) at Auschwitz-Birkenau results in complete destruction of Crematory IV.
Oct 15, 1944 - Nazis seize control of the Hungarian puppet government, then resume deporting Jews, which had temporarily ceased due to international political pressure to stop Jewish persecutions.
Oct 17, 1944 - Eichmann arrives in Hungary.
Oct 28, 1944 - The last transport of Jews to be gassed, 2,000 from Theresienstadt, arrives at Auschwitz.
Oct 30, 1944 - Last use of gas chambers at Auschwitz.
Nov 8, 1944 - Nazis force 25,000 Jews to walk over 100 miles in rain and snow from Budapest to the Austrian border, followed by a second forced march of 50,000 persons, ending at Mauthausen.
Nov 25, 1944 - Himmler orders the destruction of the crematories at Auschwitz.
Late 1944 - Oskar Schindler saves 1200 Jews by moving them from Plaszow labor camp to his hometown of Brunnlitz.
In 1945 - As the Allies advance, the Nazis conduct death marches of concentration camp inmates away from outlying areas.
Jan 6, 1945 - Soviets liberate Budapest, freeing over 80,000 Jews.
Jan 14, 1945 - Invasion of eastern Germany by Soviet troops.
Jan 17, 1945 - Liberation of Warsaw by the Soviets.
Jan 18, 1945 - Nazis evacuate 66,000 from Auschwitz.
Jan 27, 1945 - Soviet troops liberate Auschwitz. By this time, an estimated 2,000,000 persons, including 1,500,000 Jews, have been murdered there.
April 4, 1945 - Ohrdruf camp is liberated, later visited by General Eisenhower.
April 10, 1945 - Allies liberate Buchenwald.
April 15, 1945 - Approximately 40,000 prisoners freed at Bergen-Belsen by the British, who report "both inside and outside the huts was a carpet of dead bodies, human excreta, rags and filth."
April 23, 1945 - Berlin reached by Soviet troops.
April 29, 1945 - U.S. 7th Army liberates Dachau.
April 30, 1945 - Hitler commits suicide in his Berlin bunker.
April 30, 1945 - Americans free 33,000 inmates from concentration camps.
May 2, 1945 - Theresienstadt taken over by the Red Cross.
May 5, 1945 - Mauthausen liberated.
May 7, 1945 - Unconditional German surrender signed by Gen. Jodl at Reims.
May 9, 1945 - Hermann Göring captured by members of U.S. 7th Army.
May 23, 1945 - SS Reichsführer Himmler commits suicide.
Nov 20, 1945 - Opening of the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal.


It wasn't Germany per se, though more of the culture of Europe.  The regular resurgence of European anti-Semitism after the Holocaust suggests that it is integral to European culture.

Ed

Sorry but you're not going to find any short answers on this one. It was truly a bunch of circumstances that led to history. Some point to German "authority" mind, others point to the nazis hiding their crimes, etc etc. It was all that and much more. First off it ticks me a little that it seems "the Jews" get a monopoly on suffering in the camps. No offense but only 50% of the people who died in camps were Jewish. The others were mostly Christian born Germans. What this proves is that if you resisted the state you "dissappeared". Second take the misery of German history from 1914-1933, Millions of men died for nothing, followed by bankrupcy , hyperinflation, unenployment and starvation. Then by 1928 things started to improve and the nazi party actually began to LOSE support, then the world wide depression came. Out of the frying pan into the fire. It seemed nothing would get better. Then finally what people dont seem to realise is that during "free" elections the NAzi never got more that 30% of the vote. Once Hitler was in Gov't he seized power with the help of conservative elements in the country, like Hindenberg. He never gave it up after that. Then despite what people think the Jews were not "taken away" until AFTER the war started so The nazis restored German order in the 30's and people began to love him for it, and the minor persecution of the jews was overlooked as they were in denial. They would say things like "Herr Hitler does'nt even know about this it's just local steet thugs" reffering to the "Krystalnacht". When things really started to go bad the war was already in full swing so it was easyier to conceal the camps from the civilians for "security reasons" and the fact is they all had their hands full with other things like Bombing raids, working hard at the factory for victory, Fretting about the war, and so on. I mean come on even here in America a guy can kill hookers bury them in his backyard and his neighibors won't even notice as long as he appears normal. And lastly i would like to address the "generational gap" about people. People born prior to WWII had a different "mentality" than we have today. A perfect comparision is our own WWII generation of people. They are well known for not "talking about things" that are not pleasant. They tended to be more "unquestioning of authority" and trusting of Gov't. And lets face it they were'nt exactly very politically INcorrect. Racism was a big part of entertainment of that era, like minstrel shows or calling Japanese "yellow monkeys" or the jim Crow of the south. I mean we put almost every Japanese in camps and the older generation did'nt even blink an eye about that. The pre-baby boomers were to put it politely "hard asses" . And their cousins across the Atlantic were no different maybe even worse because of all the suffering they endured that Americans were spared.
Combine all that and you have the Holocost. Oh you also have to add in that the Jews controlled all the Banks, media, freemasons and lawyers. just a minor factor overall.

Sweet Jesus, people!

FORMATTING! My eyes hurt!

Quoted: Sorry but you're not going to find any short answers on this one. It was truly a bunch of circumstances that led to history. Some point to German "authority" mind, others point to the nazis hiding their crimes, etc etc. It was all that and much more. First off it ticks me a little that it seems "the Jews" get a monopoly on suffering in the camps. No offense but only 50% of the people who died in camps were Jewish. The others were mostly Christian born Germans. What this proves is that if you resisted the state you "dissappeared". Second take the misery of German history from 1914-1933, Millions of men died for nothing, followed by bankrupcy , hyperinflation, unenployment and starvation. Then by 1928 things started to improve and the nazi party actually began to LOSE support, then the world wide depression came. Out of the frying pan into the fire. It seemed nothing would get better. Then finally what people dont seem to realise is that during "free" elections the NAzi never got more that 30% of the vote. Once Hitler was in Gov't he seized power with the help of conservative elements in the country, like Hindenberg. He never gave it up after that. Then despite what people think the Jews were not "taken away" until AFTER the war started so The nazis restored German order in the 30's and people began to love him for it, and the minor persecution of the jews was overlooked as they were in denial. They would say things like "Herr Hitler does'nt even know about this it's just local steet thugs" reffering to the "Krystalnacht". When things really started to go bad the war was already in full swing so it was easyier to conceal the camps from the civilians for "security reasons" and the fact is they all had their hands full with other things like Bombing raids, working hard at the factory for victory, Fretting about the war, and so on. I mean come on even here in America a guy can kill hookers bury them in his backyard and his neighibors won't even notice as long as he appears normal. And lastly i would like to address the "generational gap" about people. People born prior to WWII had a different "mentality" than we have today. A perfect comparision is our own WWII generation of people. They are well known for not "talking about things" that are not pleasant. They tended to be more "unquestioning of authority" and trusting of Gov't. And lets face it they were'nt exactly very politically INcorrect. Racism was a big part of entertainment of that era, like minstrel shows or calling Japanese "yellow monkeys" or the jim Crow of the south. I mean we put almost every Japanese in camps and the older generation did'nt even blink an eye about that. The pre-baby boomers were to put it politely "hard asses" . And their cousins across the Atlantic were no different maybe even worse because of all the suffering they endured that Americans were spared. Combine all that and you have the Holocost. Oh you also have to add in that the Jews controlled all the Banks, media, freemasons and lawyers. just a minor factor overall.

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t-stox

I couldn't begin to dissect your above list of missives, though to add a stereotype of “Oh you also have to add in that the Jews controlled all the Banks, media, freemasons and lawyers.” is simply too irresistible.  

Typical anti-Semite!  



Ed

Quoted: Sweet Jesus, people! FORMATTING! My eyes hurt!

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Yeah, this bottom-dweller is as poor in understanding of history as his understanding of grammar.  

Quoted: Quoted: Ever notice there are more grandsons of former SS in the US than there were SS. I love the stories about how their grandfather was forced to become elite at the barrel of a gun.   Actually my grandmother was German and her two brothers fought in Europe with the 101st.  I guess they were misled.

This makes no sense in relation to what I said.

What I am saying is how ironic it is that many people claim to have had members of the SS in their families as heros, (had to be a well decorated vet to have survived the war right?? BUT they only did this reluctantly and because they had no choice.  They want the cool points that go with it, but want to deny or distance themselves from the politics of it every time.

For instance those who claimed to have been forced off to the 5th SS at the barrel of a gun when that was an all volunteer division and constited almost exculsivly of foreigners.

This whole subject will be debated until the Earth is swallowed by the sun. The answer  that everyone will agree on will never be found.

I don't see how anyone can blame Germans for volunteering to join the German military in WWII. "My country, right or wrong." Whether they agreed (or even knew about) the policies of their leadership, their country was at war. That should be enough for any responsible citizen, no?

NTM

Quoted: No matter how you slice it, Germany was and continues to be one of the most civilized nations in Europe. The Germans I met in my travels were almost universally some of the nicest people I've met. Which is why I always wonder how it is that such a nation could have fallen so completely for the Nazi line. How could such a nation have embraced the death camps and all the other horrors so easily? Oh, and I don't buy that no one knew about them. Serious discussion, please. Yes, the Nazis were murderous assholes who (for the most part) got what they deserved. There are fanatics in any movement. I'm wondering how so many "normal" people ALSO fell for it? Boggles the mind, especially the complete abandonment of any kind of humanity.

Psuedo science of Eugenics and Aryan mysticism courtesy of Madam Blatvasky make for a dangerous combination.

No way in hell the Germans had no idea what was going on with the Jews...

man, why are you and tj getting so wrapped around the axle about this? no one is cheering for the germans or the nazis. everyone says the german people had some degree of complicity either as sheeple being ignorantly led over a cliff or as folks who knew what was going on but turned a blind eye.

cheel, winston! we're on your side here!

People slowly traded essential liberty (as well as personal responsibility and accountability) in exchange for a promise of safety and security. Sound familiar? Remember, the NAZIS gained their early power through free and democratic elections.

read what scuba-ed laid out. the germans knew the jews weren't gonna be invited to dinner at the reichstag anytime soon, the jewish laws, the restrictions, all that shit was reported in the papers, on radio, and everyday folk probably noticed the yellow stars and "no jews" signs at their local butchers shops. who knew how many knew about the death camps? i remember seeing german footage about the camps early on that made them look like minimum security barracks with internees painting pictures, reading books, and having discussions with smiling camp commandants. i seem to remember all the "final solution" crap was kept hush-hush from civvie street for the most part (as much as slaughtering millions of people can be kept secret).

Quoted: You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey?

Bingo.

I look at the videos an wonder how an entire society could sink so low.

Hell, at least the Japanese had their death camps located across oceans, and their people were little more than automatons. The Germans don't have that excuse.

Quoted: I don't see how anyone can blame Germans for volunteering to join the German military in WWII. "My country, right or wrong." Whether they agreed (or even knew about) the policies of their leadership, their country was at war. That should be enough for any responsible citizen, no? NTM

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Your quote that "My country, right or wrong." is a poor example, yet one that seems to many people as incredibly patriotic.  It is wrong, and is patently idolatrous.  

In your estimation that a country may behave in a manner of it’s own choosing, with the populace in lock-step agreement irregardless of the nature and role of ethics as a subservient role to raise that nation above the nature of G-d.  That is idolatry.

Certainly Hitler’s leadership to reclaim a national renewal arose due not only to the post WWI effects of the Versailles Treaty, but also catered to a resurgence of anti-Semitism in the world, especially in Europe at this time.

The average German quite was a willing participant in this national renewal, and was also quite aware of who would be propelling this new, national fervor…and whose suffering was justified.

See below.  The average German was not an innocent!

March 22, 1933 - Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich, to be followed by Buchenwald near Weimar in central Germany, Sachsenhausen near Berlin in northern Germany, and Ravensbrück for women.
March 24, 1933 - German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers.
April 1, 1933 - Nazis stage boycott of Jewish shops and businesses.April 11, 1933 - Nazis issue a decree defining a non-Aryan as "anyone descended from non-Aryan, especially Jewish, parents or grandparents. One parent or grandparent classifies the descendant as non-Aryan...especially if one parent or grandparent was of the Jewish faith."
April 26, 1933 - The Gestapo is born, created by Hermann Göring in the German state of Prussia.
May 10, 1933 - Burning of books in Berlin and throughout Germany.
July 14, 1933 - Nazi Party is declared the only legal party in Germany; Also, Nazis pass Law to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of their German citizenship.
In July - Nazis pass law allowing for forced sterilization of those found by a Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects.
In Sept - Nazis establish Reich Chamber of Culture, then exclude Jews from the Arts.
Sept 29, 1933 - Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.
Oct 4, 1933 - Jews are prohibited from being newspaper editors.
Nov 24, 1933 - Nazis pass a Law against Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.
Jan 24, 1934 - Jews are banned from the German Labor Front.
May 17, 1934 - Jews not allowed national health insurance.
June 30, 1934 - The Night of Long Knives occurs as Hitler, Göring and Himmler conduct a purge of the SA (storm trooper) leadership.
July 20, 1934 - The SS (Schutzstaffel) is made an independent organization from the SA.
July 22, 1934 - Jews are prohibited from getting legal qualifications.
Aug 2, 1934 - German President von Hindenburg dies. Hitler becomes Führer.
Aug 19, 1934 - Hitler receives a 90 percent 'Yes' vote from German voters approving his new powers.
May 21, 1935 - Nazis ban Jews from serving in the military.
June 26, 1935 - Nazis pass law allowing forced abortions on women to prevent them from passing on hereditary diseases.
Aug 6, 1935 - Nazis force Jewish performers/artists to join Jewish Cultural Unions.
Sept 15, 1935 - Nuremberg Race Laws against Jews decreed.
Feb 10, 1936 - The German Gestapo is placed above the law.
In March - SS Deathshead division is established to guard concentration camps.
March 7, 1936 - Nazis occupy the Rhineland.
June 17, 1936 - Heinrich Himmler is appointed chief of the German Police.
Aug 1, 1936 - Olympic games begin in Berlin. Hitler and top Nazis seek to gain legitimacy through favorable public opinion from foreign visitors and thus temporarily refrain from actions against Jews.
In Aug - Nazis set up an Office for Combating Homosexuality and Abortions (by healthy women).
In Jan - Jews are banned from many professional occupations including teaching Germans, and from being accountants or dentists. They are also denied tax reductions and child allowances.
Nov 8, 1937 - 'Eternal Jew' travelling exhibition opens in Munich.
March 12/13, 1938 - Nazi troops enter Austria, which has a population of 200,000 Jews, mainly living in Vienna. Hitler announces Anschluss (union) with Austria.
In March - After the Anschluss, the SS is placed in charge of Jewish affairs in Austria with Adolf Eichmann establishing an Office for Jewish Emigration in Vienna. Himmler then establishes Mauthausen concentration camp near Linz.
April 22, 1938 - Nazis prohibit Aryan 'front-ownership' of Jewish businesses.
April 26, 1938 - Nazis order Jews to register wealth and property.
June 14, 1938 - Nazis order Jewish owned businesses to register.
In July - At Evian, France, the U.S. convenes a League of Nations conference with delegates from 32 countries to consider helping Jews fleeing Hitler, but results in inaction as no country will accept them.
July 6, 1938 - Nazis prohibited Jews from trading and providing a variety of specified commercial services.
July 23, 1938 - Nazis order Jews over age 15 to apply for identity cards from the police, to be shown on demand to any police officer.
July 25, 1938 - Jewish doctors prohibited by law from practicing medicine.
Aug 11, 1938 - Nazis destroy the synagogue in Nuremberg.
Aug 17, 1938 - Nazis require Jewish women to add Sarah and men to add Israel to their names on all legal documents including passports.
Sept 27, 1938 - Jews are prohibited from all legal practices.
Oct 5, 1938 - Law requires Jewish passports to be stamped with a large red "J."
Oct 15, 1938 - Nazi troops occupy the Sudetenland.
Oct 28, 1938 - Nazis arrest 17,000 Jews of Polish nationality living in Germany, then expel them back to Poland which refuses them entry, leaving them in 'no-man's land' near the Polish border for several months.
Nov 7, 1938 - Ernst vom Rath, third secretary in the German Embassy in Paris, is shot and mortally wounded by Herschel Grynszpan, the 17 year old son of one of the deported Polish Jews. Rath dies on November 9, precipitating Kristallnacht.
Nov 9/10 - Kristallnacht - The Night of Broken Glass.
Nov 12, 1938 - Nazis fine Jews one billion marks for damages related to Kristallnacht.
Nov 15, 1938 - Jewish pupils are expelled from all non-Jewish German schools.
Dec 3, 1938 - Law for compulsory Aryanization of all Jewish businesses.
Dec 14, 1938 - Hermann Göring takes charge of resolving the "Jewish Question."
Jan 24, 1939 - SS leader Reinhard Heydrich is ordered by Göring to speed up emigration of Jews.
Jan 30, 1939 - Hitler threatens Jews during Reichstag speech.
Feb 21, 1939 - Nazis force Jews to hand over all gold and silver items.
March 15/16 - Nazi troops seize Czechoslovakia (Jewish pop. 350,000).
April 19, 1939 - Slovakia passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.
April 30, 1939 - Jews lose rights as tenants and are relocated into Jewish houses.
In May - The St. Louis, a ship crowded with 930 Jewish refugees, is turned away by Cuba, the United States and other countries and returns to Europe.
July 4, 1939 - German Jews denied the right to hold government jobs.
July 21, 1939 - Adolf Eichmann is appointed director of the Prague Office of Jewish Emigration.
Sept 1, 1939 - Nazis invade Poland (Jewish pop. 3.35 million, the largest in Europe). Beginning of SS activity in Poland.
Sept 1, 1939 - Jews in Germany are forbidden to be outdoors after 8 p.m. in winter and 9 p.m. in summer.
Sept 3, 1939 - England and France declare war on Germany.
Sept 4, 1939 - Warsaw is cut off by the German Army.
Sept 17, 1939 - Soviet troops invade eastern Poland.
Sept 21, 1939 - Heydrich issues instructions to SS Einsatzgruppen (special action squads) in Poland regarding treatment of Jews, stating they are to be gathered into ghettos near railroads for the future "final goal." He also orders a census and the establishment of Jewish administrative councils within the ghettos to implement Nazi policies and decrees.
Sept 23, 1939 - German Jews are forbidden to own wireless (radio) sets.
Sept 27, 1939 - Warsaw surrenders; Heydrich becomes leader of RSHA.
Sept 29, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets divide up Poland. Over two million Jews reside in Nazi controlled areas, leaving 1.3 million in the Soviet area.
In Sept - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "The Jewish people ought to be exterminated root and branch. Then the plague of pests would have disappeared in Poland at one stroke."
In Oct - Nazis begin euthanasia on sick and disabled in Germany.
Oct 6, 1939 - Proclamation by Hitler on the isolation of Jews.
Oct 12, 1939 - Evacuation of Jews from Vienna.
Oct 12, 1939 - Hans Frank appointed Nazi Gauleiter (governor) of Poland.
Oct 26, 1939 - Forced labor decree issued for Polish Jews aged 14 to 60.
Nov 23, 1939 - Yellow stars required to be worn by Polish Jews over age 10.
In Dec - Adolf Eichmann takes over section IV B4 of the Gestapo dealing solely with Jewish affairs and evacuations.
Jan 25, 1940 - Nazis choose the town of Oswiecim (Auschwitz) in Poland near Krakow as site of new concentration camp.
In Jan - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "...The time is near when a machine will go into motion which is going to prepare a grave for the world's criminal - Judah - from which there will be no resurrection."
Feb 12, 1940 - First deportation of German Jews into occupied Poland.
April 9, 1940 - Nazis invade Denmark (Jewish pop. 8,000) and Norway (Jewish pop. 2,000).
April 30, 1940 - The Lodz Ghetto in occupied Poland is sealed off from the outside world with 230,000 Jews locked inside.
May 1, 1940 - Rudolf Höss is chosen to be kommandant of Auschwitz.
May 10, 1940 - Nazis invade France (Jewish pop. 350,000), Belgium (Jewish pop. 65,000), Holland (Jewish pop. 140,000), and Luxembourg (Jewish pop. 3,500).
June 14, 1940 - Paris is occupied by the Nazis.
June 22, 1940 - France signs an armistice with Hitler.
In July - Eichmann's Madagascar Plan presented, proposing to deport all European Jews to the island of Madagascar, off the coast of east Africa.
July 17, 1940 - The first anti-Jewish measures are taken in Vichy France.
Aug 8, 1940 - Romania introduces anti-Jewish measures restricting education and employment, then later begins "Romanianization" of Jewish businesses.
Sept 27, 1940 - Tripartite (Axis) Pact signed by Germany, Italy and Japan.
Oct 3, 1940 - Vichy France passes its own version of the Nuremberg Laws.
Oct 7, 1940 - Nazis invade Romania (Jewish pop. 34,000).
Oct 22, 1940 - Deportation of 29,000 German Jews from Baden, the Saar, and Alsace-Lorraine into Vichy France.
In Nov - Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia become Nazi Allies.
In Nov - The Krakow Ghetto is sealed off containing 70,000 Jews.
Nov 15, 1940 - The Warsaw Ghetto, containing over 400,000 Jews, is sealed off.
In 1941 - Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, states, "I ask nothing of the Jews except that they should disappear."
In Jan - Quote from Nazi newspaper, Der Stürmer, published by Julius Streicher - "Now judgment has begun and it will reach its conclusion only when knowledge of the Jews has been erased from the earth."
In Jan - A pogrom in Romania results in over 2,000 Jews killed.
Feb 22, 1941 - 430 Jewish hostages are deported from Amsterdam after a Dutch Nazi is killed by Jews.




Ed

~PS-

My German relatives emigrated from Germany following WWI--I have a very treasured photo of a relative who was a pilot in WWI, with an iron cross.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey? Bingo. I look at the videos an wonder how an entire society could sink so low. Hell, at least the Japanese had their death camps located across oceans, and their people were little more than automatons. The Germans don't have that excuse. Technically, no death camps (specifically for the murder of jews) were in Germany.  Concentration camps and transit camps were, but not the death camps.

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Sylvan, generally you're correct, though Dachau Nazi concentration camp in southern Germany. was erected in 1933, and was the first Nazi concentration camp. Used mainly to incarcerate German political prisoners until late 1938, whereupon large numbers of Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and other supposed enemies of the state and anti-social elements were sent as well. Nazi doctors and scientists used many prisoners at Dachau as guinea pigs for experiments. Dachau was liberated by American troops in April 1945.


Ed

Germany, if not individually then collectively, is responsible for the horrors of the 3rd Reich.  The German people,  for the first time in their history had a chance at democracy with the institution of the Weimar Republic,  and they rejected it.
I've always dismissed the notion that war reparations, unemployment and a sense of  world condemnation drove the populace into the arms of Hitler.
The German economy was actually starting to improve, and it was the Great Depression that drove Germany into abject poverty, as the Depression did the allies as well, who didn't turn to a fanatical socialist to lead them to the promised land.
The Nazis picked up where the Kaiser's armies left off, when under the tutelage of the Kaiser German troops raped, sacked and stole Belguim.
As far as blaming the allies for the reparations Germany had to pay after the Great War, study the punitive measures the Germans had in mind had they been the victors in round 1.
1 man did not plunge the country into WW2, 1 man dialed into the psyche perhaps of the nation and exploited it, but the country as a whole is responsible for the crimes of both world wars.

Quoted: Quoted: People slowly traded essential liberty (as well as personal responsibility and accountability) in exchange for a promise of safety and security. Sound familiar? Remember, the NAZIS gained their early power through free and democratic elections. Actually, no. Most German's personal liberties remained unaffected.  The untermenschen were targeted and nobody gave a fuck. You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey?

Many victims of the Holocaust WERE German. I hardly think their "personal liberties remained unaffected". If your government can legally send your neighbor to a Concentration Camp and seize their property simply because they are racially unacceptable then your "personal liberties" are only an illusion.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: People slowly traded essential liberty (as well as personal responsibility and accountability) in exchange for a promise of safety and security. Sound familiar? Remember, the NAZIS gained their early power through free and democratic elections. Actually, no. Most German's personal liberties remained unaffected.  The untermenschen were targeted and nobody gave a fuck. You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey? Many victims of the Holocaust WERE German. I hardly think their "personal liberties remained unaffected". If your government can legally send your neighbor to a Concentration Camp and seize their property simply because they are racially unacceptable then your "personal liberties" are only an illusion.

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Wow!  Then the statistics of the Holocaust will have to be ammended to include not only the good-natured non-Jewish, non-homosexual, etc., but the entire peoples who gained (or at least were not targeted) by the NAZIS...all those Germans, French, etc., who could have stood up collectively to say "no!"

Splitting differences doesn' matter...Jews had been living throughout Europe for over 3,000 yrs., with one of the largest learning centers in Poland.

All I am saying is (to paraphase Mr. Franklin) those who would trade essential liberty for the promise of safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Quoted: Quoted: People slowly traded essential liberty (as well as personal responsibility and accountability) in exchange for a promise of safety and security. Sound familiar? Remember, the NAZIS gained their early power through free and democratic elections. Actually, no. Most German's personal liberties remained unaffected.  The untermenschen were targeted and nobody gave a fuck. You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey?

Popular hatred of the jews.

They didn't want to know so they didn't ask. They only cared that they were gone.

A small minority gave a fuck and they were the first people in concentration camps.

That is an important thing to remember, a LOT of the first inmates were Germans who asked questions or objected. People learned to stop doing either.

Quoted: Quoted: You are also avoiding the point at hand. What made a society deem that murdering of millions of jews was okey dokey? Bingo. I look at the videos an wonder how an entire society could sink so low. Hell, at least the Japanese had their death camps located across oceans, and their people were little more than automatons. The Germans don't have that excuse.

Happens all the time. Happening someplace right now.

Good propaganda and bad circumstance.

Everyone likes to hear how special they are.
The Nazis played off fear of the Communist menace.
When you're poor and on the edge, you tend to be more agreeable to drastic actions.
People are inherently assholes and will generally show this, given the opportunity.

Most of the Germans knew what was happening and most didn't care.

This sort of thing has happened around the world since the beginning of human history and it will happen again.  It can even happen here and has in the past, to a much lesser extent.

The only difference between the Nazis and the rest of the world is that they kept excellent records, committed their crimes in an organized way, and had the rest of the world hype their crimes for the next 60 years.

It's in the nature of man to do this sort of thing.  We're still rooted in the jungle, despite millenia of civilization.

Quoted: yep. if hitler had come right out in the beginning and said, "hey, i got an idea! let's all kill us some jews and burn 'em in great big ovens!"

Actually, that's about what he did.  Ever read Mein Kampf?

Quoted: All I am saying is (to paraphase Mr. Franklin) those who would trade essential liberty for the promise of safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I don't see how that is ''germain'' to the situation!

Being from german decent is and always will be a challenge to be reckoned with for sure.

Quoted: Germany, if not individually then collectively, is responsible for the horrors of the 3rd Reich.  The German people,  for the first time in their history had a chance at democracy with the institution of the Weimar Republic,  and they rejected it. I've always dismissed the notion that war reparations, unemployment and a sense of  world condemnation drove the populace into the arms of Hitler. The German economy was actually starting to improve, and it was the Great Depression that drove Germany into abject poverty, as the Depression did the allies as well, who didn't turn to a fanatical socialist to lead them to the promised land. The Nazis picked up where the Kaiser's armies left off, when under the tutelage of the Kaiser German troops raped, sacked and stole Belguim. As far as blaming the allies for the reparations Germany had to pay after the Great War, study the punitive measures the Germans had in mind had they been the victors in round 1. 1 man did not plunge the country into WW2, 1 man dialed into the psyche perhaps of the nation and exploited it, but the country as a whole is responsible for the crimes of both world wars.

Very good ryann, I agree. Though I might place a bit of relevance on reparations and the sense of being made to look the bad guy (rightly or wrongly) after WWI.

There is zero evidence that regular Germans did not know about or at least suspected atrocities where taking place. Think about it, it's 1943 you live in a large urban environment and large numbers of people are disappearing. Even if you don't personally know someone who's gone, you know someone that does know such a person. And even though you may not be able to put your finger on something as horrifically terrible as a Treblinka or an Auschwitz, you *know* in your *heart* that something monstrous is happening and your fellow Germans are responsible.

And the hard reality is that for the most part you turn a blind eye because they are not people that matter to you, or worse, they belong to groups of people you have animosity towards. After all, Germany is winning the war isn't she, and really, what could you do?

I think the one interesting aspect about the Nazi’s is that they trigger in many people, who are trying to explain what happened, a fear that *all* of us might be capable of such things under the right circumstances.

Quoted: Psuedo science of Eugenics...

Eugenics was a reasonable scientific theory given the state of knowledge at the time, not a pseudo-science.

If you want to say that the theory was wrong, you will have a much better point.

Quoted: What I am saying is how ironic it is that many people claim to have had members of the SS in their families as heros, (had to be a well decorated vet to have survived the war right?? BUT they only did this reluctantly and because they had no choice.  They want the cool points that go with it, but want to deny or distance themselves from the politics of it every time. For instance those who claimed to have been forced off to the 5th SS at the barrel of a gun when that was an all volunteer division and constited almost exculsivly of foreigners.

Yea, you win, I made it all up for "cool points".  

Quoted: Quoted: Psuedo science of Eugenics... Eugenics was a reasonable scientific theory given the state of knowledge at the time, not a pseudo-science. If you want to say that the theory was wrong, you will have a much better point.

As it is still subscribed to by some currently, it is correctly pseudo science.

Quoted: Quoted: For instance those who claimed to have been forced off to the 5th SS at the barrel of a gun when that was an all volunteer division and constited almost exculsivly of foreigners. Yea, you win, I made it all up for "cool points".

I don't think anyone is saying that - but is it POSSIBLE that your father-in-law might have glossed over some of the details of how exactly he ended up in Wiking?

I'm certainly NOT calling you (or him) a liar, but I found myself wondering the same question as 8mm did - because I have never heard of german citizens being threatened with their families being killed if they didn't join an SS division .  However, I know that some people certainly were forcibly drafted into SS divisions, but to my knowledge those were not german citizens (so I'm not quite certain about 8mm's claim that all of the Wiking division was volunteer).

In my experience, Germans who grew up early in the last century were very antisemetic.  Even those (or maybe especially those) who had never met a Jew.

Quoted: Germans like clear commands and concise leadership, give them that and they will obey, it's in their nature.

I guess John Kerry will not be elected to run that country either. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted: They are the ultimate sheep. Whatever the shepard wants, they give him. Kill jews?  Hey, no sweat mein fuhrer. Lived in Germany for three years.  Go along to get along.  They will do whatever the other guy is doing. If tomorrow everybody was killing turks, they would do it and not miss a beat. Freaky. [cartman]moooooommmmmmmm, if you were in a German Sheitze video, you'd tell me, right?[/cartman]

Yep, +1... Been here 7 years.. Germans are like Robots....

We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist.

Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that. Why you think you got things like this popping up in former eastern block europe:

Quoted: We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist. Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that. Why you think you got things like this popping up in former eastern block europe: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Daily-Pics-August/aaz.sized.jpg

Don't try to interject logic! You should know better than that!

Stalin just had and has better PR people....

Quoted: We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist. Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that. Why you think you got things like this popping up in former eastern block europe: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Daily-Pics-August/aaz.sized.jpg

What, exactly, is it? I don't read German.

Quoted: We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist. Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that.

Nobody was "much worse" than Hitler.  That level of depravity simply doesn't exist.  Stalin was easily just as bad, but not worse - just different in his evil.  

Quoted: Quoted: We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist. Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that. Why you think you got things like this popping up in former eastern block europe: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Daily-Pics-August/aaz.sized.jpg What, exactly, is it? I don't read German.

Actually, its an Estonian monument.. Basically to Estonians that fought with the Germans against the Soviets. The Germans were greeted as liberators in Estonia, as the Soviets had taken them already. The Soviets did stuff like haul entire towns off to Siberia, etc....

ETA-   Just about every German town or neighborhood has a WWI and WWII monument to soldiers killed, so dont see the big deal.

Quoted: Quoted: We where on the side with the real bad guys during WW2, the communist. Stalin was much worse then Hitler ever was and anybody who lived through both will tell you that. Why you think you got things like this popping up in former eastern block europe: media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Daily-Pics-August/aaz.sized.jpg What, exactly, is it? I don't read German.

Its not German...probably Estonian or Latvian...it is a memorial to those who volunteered to fight with the Germans against Bolshevism. Many Eastern European countries had Waffen SS volunteer units, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Hungary, White Russian...some even achieved division status. They saw Bolshevism and communist Russia as a bigger threat than National Socialism....