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Posted: 12/26/2005 8:14:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 10:22:07 AM EDT by azcopwannabee]
Old counter is possibly plastic with a horrible Sea Shell shaped sink.

My Idea:

Cut out the old sink, leave hole.

Rough up the old counter top with dremel and engraver bit. Grid style.

Use tile adhesive and apply tile. Trim tile around sink hole. Grout.

Instal sink and seal edges.


Anything I'm missing?


Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:18:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 8:19:53 PM EDT by JRBL1A1]
Nope. Just make sure of two things:

1: you have all of your edges sealed very well. A high quality silicon sealant will do just fine.

2: make sure you save some money for in a year or two when the tile begins to peal and the mildew starts to set in, so you'll have enough $$$ to go out and buy all new stuff (sink, cabinet, etc) like you could have and maybe should have done in the first place.

Seriously, what you're doing is a temp fix. It *probably* wont last long because it isnt water tight.

Good luck!
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:20:16 PM EDT
Enlighten me O' Great and wise Tile Master.

The base is PLASTIC! Won't mildew or warp.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:22:47 PM EDT
Not sure if you can tile over old laminate. Alot depends on the condition board underneath. IF it is that old it might be plywood which will move more that particle board. That will crack the grout. You can laminate over old laminate, it's done a lot, but like JRBL1A1 said you're pissing your money away.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:25:19 PM EDT
id put down wonder board first .

688
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:29:07 PM EDT
Maybe I should post a picture


Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:32:09 PM EDT
It would be as watertight as new tile job, it is the mortar,tile grout and sealer that make up the water proofness of it. I'm just not too sure how well it will bond to the laminate. I would use a mortar with a latex additive, better yet use one of the premix mastics in a bucket. The guy I use for tile and floor coverings loves that stuff.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:39:42 PM EDT
GODDARNIT!!!

What do I pay for HERE!!!

Has the Photoserver EVER worked?

Supposed to be pics in the first post!
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:02:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 9:02:57 PM EDT by NavajoGunOwner]
The plastic would flex , not just from use but also temperture. In a couple years you would be replacing a cracked and water damaged counter top. You would be able to reuse the tiles though, after you put down a proper sink base that is made to be tiled over.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:07:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 688manuvering:
id put down wonder board first .

688




+1
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:09:03 PM EDT
This is the sort of thing you do when you're getting ready to sell the house and/or move.

It will look very good in the short term (and long enough that the new owners won't have to go right out and buy another countertop and feel cheated). I was doing it over laminate/particle board so this was a temporary fix, if your sink is a solid surface then it may last quite a bit longer.

Personally I think it can look pretty good if you choose a nice looking tile such as some of the 'natural' stonelike surface finishes.

Pay close attention to the detail where the top and front edge meets.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:24:15 PM EDT
So what should I do?

Pull the whole counter top? Use the old one as a template.

One site said to use a Vapor barrier, then Steel mesh, then motar base.

Then tile adhesive and grout and seal.

All this over existing surface. It sounds like it would be very stable.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:51:13 AM EDT
Find a good kitchen shop. They can order you some new premade drop in laminate tops. They might require a bit os sanding to fit if they are wall to wall tops. You can cut in the sink hole yourself or order it done. This is usually the cheapset way to go. They can build them for what I pay for the material to build one in place. The customer comes up a few hundred $ ahead.

If you are set on tile start with new board, the cement board and then the tile. Most tile nosing is sized to fit something like this. If you go over your old stuff the nosing you pic may not fit.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:00:16 AM EDT
Go to Home Depot or Lowes, and buy a pre laminated counter top, just measure the lenght, depth and witdth of the one you have. Buy one a little longer than what you have, cut to length, and install after removeing the old counter top.

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:03:21 AM EDT
You really have to think about the weight. Tile is heavy and things will flex and crack if the base isn't solid.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:29:35 AM EDT
I used to build countertops, including ones that were to be tiled. For those, we basically just cut a blank of 3/4 PB. On top of that would go the cement board, then tile. Removing the existing counter and installing the blank is a pretty easy job--and probably a lot less messy than your original plan.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:27:39 PM EDT
Just found out the reason my neihbor was cutting rocks with a wet tile saw...


HE KNOWS HOW TO LAY TILE!!!!!


He confirms:

Remove old countertop.
Replace with 3/4 PW or PB
Then lay 1/2 Concrete board.
Then lay tile.

I can use his saw too If I need too.


I wonder how much beer it will cost to get him to do it!?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:31:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:
Maybe I should post a picture





yes please..


Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:32:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 8:34:20 PM EDT by mjrowley]
what part of AZ you in?

I might be able to get you granite at a smoking price, my nephew has his own company.

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:37:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 8:39:11 PM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 10:10:01 AM EDT
Neither are they!
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