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Posted: 12/26/2005 1:53:19 PM EDT

200gig WD
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 1:54:02 PM EDT
I dont think it will be a problem.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 1:57:23 PM EDT
All an external hard drive is, is an interernal hard drive with adapters to plug into your USB port in a box, thats it nothing more.

So yes you can leave it on all the time however as with any mechanical part it will wear out faster if left on 24/7
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 1:57:51 PM EDT
Inside the case is a 'real' hard drive...it's ok.


ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 2:02:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 2:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 2:12:14 PM EDT by warlord]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
yes it will be fine. the OS will normally power down and park the drive when not in use. Most external drives will do this anyway as it is part of the logic. the only thing running 24x7 will be the power supply and logic. the logic won't care as long as the power supply is stable.


This also the internal happens on the internal drives, somewhere in "SETTINGS/CONTROL PANEL" there is away to change the settings when in the internal hard drives are stop rotating except for the electronics.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 2:27:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 3:59:53 PM EDT
It won't cause any problems, but the drive still will crap out more quickly than a drive that is shutdown. Mean Time To Failure.

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:28:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:45:01 AM EDT
I use mine to backup my work and my home files so i routinely pull it off, just in case theres a power problem at work. When i'm using it at home it goes into the gun safe when i'm done with it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:46:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By heysoos:
It won't cause any problems, but the drive still will crap out more quickly than a drive that is shutdown. Mean Time To Failure.





ummmm no. no more than starting it cold each time.



+1
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 11:27:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By heysoos:
It won't cause any problems, but the drive still will crap out more quickly than a drive that is shutdown. Mean Time To Failure.





ummmm no. no more than starting it cold each time.



Really?

I think Seagate, (and any other vendor) would have a different opinion.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 12:46:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 12:48:09 PM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 12:52:08 PM EDT
If your buying Seagate you should know all about drive failure.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 12:54:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:00:10 PM EDT
No problem.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:03:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 1:09:02 PM EDT by No-Worries]

Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN:
If your buying Seagate you should know all about drive failure.



Seagate gives a 5 year warranty on ALL their drives.

Everyone else 1 to 3. Open up an HP or Compaq server and you'll inevitably see Seagate. Even Compaq/HP drives are really Seagate.

And whose drives do you find in EMC sans? Starts with an S and ends with an E .

Maxtor WD IBM Hitachi Fujitsu who???

My work here is finished.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:09:52 PM EDT
I should shut up but,

With Seagate hard drives my work is never finished.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:11:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN:
I should shut up but,

With Seagate hard drives my work is never finished.




Then check out your cooling
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:15:51 PM EDT
a drive is better off left running forever. by that i mean never turn it off for years. many servers run 4 to 5 years or more and aren't turned off. turning a drive off means it cools, then reheats. so you get some shrinkage and expansion that accelerates the drives deteriation. leaving it on all the time keeps the temps constant and extends the drive's life.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:20:47 PM EDT
I've always heard that the read/write head floats on a cushion of air, just above the platter....a drive that's always on leaves it in a non-volatile state, whereas starting/stopping sets up a condition where it's more likely to nose-dive into the platter, causing a physical crash.

I'm no expert, but that made sense to me, and I've always left my drives on and I have a couple that are close to 10 years old and still going strong.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 1:41:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 2:46:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 2:48:14 PM EDT by heysoos]
Are you kidding?!?!

I work on Storage for a large company, deal with large SAN, DAS, and FC-AL, etc... storage devices which get to over 16TB, are you trying to tell me that this is not a "large system"?

Sorry, I'm misinformed.. Whatever, opinions are like...

Drive failure from age, not outside conditions is largely subjective, take that & run with it O wise one of the HDD...

ETA: Sorry this is obviously a bit off topic, but I don't take kindly to being called uninformed based upon my current career.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 2:51:26 PM EDT
You're not going to hurt it. It might last for 10 years instead of 15.

Seriously, just keep it on.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 2:55:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 2:59:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:00:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:05:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By heysoos:
Are you kidding?!?!

I work on Storage for a large company, deal with large SAN, DAS, and FC-AL, etc... storage devices which get to over 16TB, are you trying to tell me that this is not a "large system"?

Sorry, I'm misinformed.. Whatever, opinions are like...

Drive failure from age, not outside conditions is largely subjective, take that & run with it O wise one of the HDD...

ETA: Sorry this is obviously a bit off topic, but I don't take kindly to being called uninformed based upon my current career.



then you should know better.

we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. We have specifically dropped seagate and toshiba as suppliers due to substandard drives. so what do you do? Sales or technical?



No problem, like I said, I think drive failure is pretty subjective, so that works for me. I'm in the "fix-it, it's broke" area..
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:09:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:11:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
since we tossed seagate and toshiba i rarely swap drives anymore. I have one site with over 1200 drives installed on one of my mainframes. it used to be a never ending job of daily drive swaps. I don't think i have been to that site for a drive in almost a year since we switched.

They also have NUMEROUS EMC boxes at this facility. i'd like to see them burn to the ground. we have nothing but throughput and timeout problems from those things. i spend WAY to much time trouble shooting system problems that belong to EMC.




So, whose drives are you using now?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:20:03 PM EDT
Yeah, I don't technically support EMC, but get to do it anyway. Good stuff. I'd guess you use Hitachi drives now?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:21:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By magnum_99:
So, whose drives are you using now?

Toyota. I hear they make great 4x4 drives
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:23:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:28:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By heysoos:
Yeah, I don't technically support EMC, but get to do it anyway. Good stuff. I'd guess you use Hitachi drives now?



nope strictly IBM, at least that is strictly whoever IBM is vending them out to now. they sold off our DASD manufacturing. At least we are getting quality drives on the large system side again. <actually they may be hitachi drives, drive cases look very similar.>



Same company now. They are all junk.

They make them as cheap as they can and support them the best that they can.

If they make them cheap enogh they will just replace them over and over and still make a mint.

The data however will be lost forever.

3 words to live by "Back it up"
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:47:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:50:19 PM EDT
AFAIK the only drives that are not meant for a constant ON are laptop harddrives. Some externals are, but they are obvious which ones are laptop drives as the external containers are usually only about 1/2" thick.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:50:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:51:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:49:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By heysoos:
Yeah, I don't technically support EMC, but get to do it anyway. Good stuff. I'd guess you use Hitachi drives now?



nope strictly IBM, at least that is strictly whoever IBM is vending them out to now. they sold off our DASD manufacturing. At least we are getting quality drives on the large system side again. <actually they may be hitachi drives, drive cases look very similar.>



IBM = Hitachi = Crap
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 6:22:44 PM EDT
I keep mine on all the time cause it has uber cool lights

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