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Posted: 12/25/2005 12:50:05 AM EDT
My buddy was doing a report on militia activity in modern America and came across the following sites:www.angelfire.com/ar2/militia/ and www.arkansasmilitia.com/. He told me they where toting unregistered FA Stens and 1919A4s, and openly admitted doing so, along with posting pics of said activitys. They also sent letters to the ATF amoung others admitting them doing so. What do you guys think? Fake? Or just a matter of time til the ATF goes after them?

-Ben
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:57:15 AM EDT
The Washington County Militia (AR) has been around for a coon's age. If they were or are doing illegal activities, they would have come down on them by now, surely.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:59:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MoparMike:
The Washington County Militia (AR) has been around for a coon's age. If they were or are doing illegal activities, they would have come down on them by now, surely.



Either that or the ATF realizes the media shitstorm and logistical headaches of taking on a militia armed with full auto weapons who are just itching for a fight.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:00:00 AM EDT
Great, visiting those links probably puts you on a list somewheres.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:07:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By uglygun:
Great, visiting those links probably puts you on a list somewheres.



Bah. Their headquarters are easy to find. Just go past the Idustrial Park for about 10 or so miles, its on the downside of a hill. Concrete block building on your left. If they wanted to take it down, they would have.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:12:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By uglygun:
Great, visiting those links probably puts you on a list somewheres.



Bah. Their headquarters are easy to find. Just go past the Idustrial Park for about 10 or so miles, its on the downside of a hill. Concrete block building on your left. If they wanted to take it down, they would have.



So are they being dishonest about having Stens and unneutered belt feds?

-Ben
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:17:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 1:19:56 AM EDT by BulletBait]
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Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:21:53 AM EDT
All I'm going to say is that those guys have some real balls.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:22:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By uglygun:
Great, visiting those links probably puts you on a list somewheres.



Bah. Their headquarters are easy to find. Just go past the Idustrial Park for about 10 or so miles, its on the downside of a hill. Concrete block building on your left. If they wanted to take it down, they would have.



So are they being dishonest about having Stens and unneutered belt feds?

-Ben



I wouldnt' know, but I imagine if they were it would have been in the papers by now. I haven't even seen their name on anything in a paper. As liberal as this area is, I would think they would be screaming about it.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:42:02 AM EDT
I wonder if they drink beer at the clubhouse?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:03:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 3:06:29 AM EDT by rara1141]
They posted their "argument" about legallity... and it derives from the founding fathers own words and statements and laws....

today in America those laws, intentions, and ideals are eroding away faster than we can fix em....

although I'm in no millitia .... they HAVE EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE THEY WAY THEY ARE.... weapons "violations" well another story...

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:18:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Oslow:
I wonder if they drink beer at the clubhouse?

And smoke cigars?
Did someone bring any chips?

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:05:52 AM EDT
Wasn't this guys pic posted in one of the Airsoft bashing threads?

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:09:22 AM EDT
Do they have an ice cream truck?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:11:38 AM EDT
tagged
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:18:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 5:19:07 AM EDT by LoginName]


"MOWCA webmaster Craig Culver getting autograph from History Channel Mall Call TV. show host R. Lee Ermey at the 2005 National Rifle Association convention in Houston, TX".

www.arkansasmilitia.com/photos/pictures.htm


Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:24:27 AM EDT
Oh boy, well these guys make the state look great...

Seriously though, Its probably a good thing that they are open about it.
Its the ones who are hiding something that you have to worry about.

I know for a fact that there are more than a few places that are far less open scattered about the Ozarks. There are still some compunds that would be difficult for the whole of the BATFE to risk entry to. Tell your friend to search out the ones near Marshall, AR if he feels like risking it.

I believe in the 2nd amendment, but i dont believe in letting folks of questionable background run free and unchecked to commit other crime. If they are on the up and up and open about it,then I see no problems. If they are robbing banks, selling drugs, or kidnapping and murdering then some one needs to drop a JDAM and get the stand off overwith before it starts.

Maybe the ATF gives Group Discounts to Militia full auto registrations?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:32:02 AM EDT
If I sat on a jury for them I would nullify....gun laws against the 2A are ILLEGAL. It is too bad that they will probably die...and in the meantime a collection of drugs and kiddy porn will magically appear to discredit them as being otherwise law-abiding citizens....
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:34:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:41:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Wasn't this guys pic posted in one of the Airsoft bashing threads?

home.comcast.net/~bfd750/wayne_sten.jpg



Is my memory bad or does that look like ETH???

Link Posted: 12/25/2005 5:55:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 5:55:50 AM EDT by mikejohnson]

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Wasn't this guys pic posted in one of the Airsoft bashing threads?

home.comcast.net/~bfd750/wayne_sten.jpg



Is my memory bad or does that look like ETH???





Kinda looks like him, and the name on the pic is Wayne (ETH's name), but it is not him...
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:14:44 AM EDT
I think these are the kind of people who make gun owners look bad.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:45:47 AM EDT
i would bet the atf might leave them alone, due to the following: ( at least till they do something really bad like a bank robbery )

1 they have declared their exsistance as a militia to many .gov, so that may give them some kind of "rights"
2 they have declared their right to exsist as a militia, which has not been challanged by any .gov so it makes the constitution directly appy to them ( at least in how the .gov reads the second )
3 they have admitted that they have said weapons as a militia and stand as a militia not as individuals, if i remember from something i saw on tv about them they have said the governor can call them up for duty if he desires

simply put the way the .gov reads a few laws may make it hard to use any gun laws against them due to the way they have declared them selves. look at it this way the .gov says the second give the rights for militia to have weapons. militias are state level and we know the national guard has FA weapons, so they are a militia ( by their own statement ). their title as a militia that has not been challanged by the state, so until the state says no your not the fed .gov might realize they might loose any case the .gov brought against the militia based on how the laws have been used before
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:47:57 AM EDT
They probably are the ATF.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:48:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 6:50:54 AM EDT
I bet those militias are full of paid ATF informants. It's easier to just sit back and watch and listen than it is to take them down.
They will take them down if it becomes expedient.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:08:00 AM EDT
These guys are the poster boys for Arkansas Militias. I guess a better way to put it would be that they've intentionally been built up by a lot of them, in order to keep attention off the serious ones. I think they are sacrificing a few to the wolves. I know of many others that laugh at groups like this. See above reference to Marshall, AR. DON'T go wonderin through woods around there.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:40:04 AM EDT
Another group you don't hear about is the Posse Comitatus. From what I hear, the Feds want nothing to do with them. They probably have a few people undercover, but the Feds still want nothing to do with the Posse. Talk about a powder keg!!
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:44:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Another group you don't hear about is the Posse Comitatus. From what I hear, the Feds want nothing to do with them. They probably have a few people undercover, but the Feds still want nothing to do with the Posse. Talk about a powder keg!!

They fear them. Fear a government that fears it's armed citizens.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:56:38 AM EDT
That is an interesting document they submitted to the world to read. Any lawyers here read it?

www.angelfire.com/ar2/militia/declrtion.html?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:57:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Another group you don't hear about is the Posse Comitatus. From what I hear, the Feds want nothing to do with them. They probably have a few people undercover, but the Feds still want nothing to do with the Posse. Talk about a powder keg!!

- Various LR agencies have already dealt with Posse Comitatus on multiple occasions in the past. Nothing special about them. Just another group with ties into the Christian Identity movement.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:28:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:39:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 9:24:54 AM EDT by Garand_Shooter]
I imagine they will suddenly become of interest the next time the BATFE budget may be in trouble.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:48:17 AM EDT
they's got balls
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:04:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
I imagine they will suddenly become of interest the next time the BATFE budget may be in trouble.



+1, and I agree with what someone else said about being full of paid informants. Now I am curious about this Marshall, AR statement. I suppose the ATF couldn't use incest as an excuse to go in after them?

-Ben
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:12:07 AM EDT
The ATF wants nothing to do with a few harmless fat rednecks with a few belt feds, I mean these guys are just hanging out playing with some illegal guns, as long as they dont start committing some real crimes the ATF isn't going to waste their time.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:13:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
The ATF wants nothing to do with a few harmless fat rednecks with a few belt feds, I mean these guys are just hanging out playing with some illegal guns, as long as they dont start committing some real crimes the ATF isn't going to waste their time.



Like all the other people they have busted who never really commited any crimes except having "illegal" weapons?

-Ben
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:22:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
I bet those militias are full of paid ATF informants. It's easier to just sit back and watch and listen than it is to take them down.
They will take them down if it becomes expedient.



Roger that. It would be ironic if there was a 'big bust' and all the people arrested were ATF agents.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:23:35 AM EDT
Those guys have balls. I hope that.....



What exactly is a "Sten" gun?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:25:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Those guys have balls. I hope that.....



What exactly is a "Sten" gun?

Cheap to produce submachine gun from ww2
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:29:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Another group you don't hear about is the Posse Comitatus. From what I hear, the Feds want nothing to do with them. They probably have a few people undercover, but the Feds still want nothing to do with the Posse. Talk about a powder keg!!

- Various LR agencies have already dealt with Posse Comitatus on multiple occasions in the past. Nothing special about them. Just another group with ties into the Christian Identity movement.



The 40 Undercover members have been trying to bust the one non-undercover member, but so far the undercover members are the only ones who have broken any laws.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:58:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Wasn't this guys pic posted in one of the Airsoft bashing threads?

home.comcast.net/~bfd750/wayne_sten.jpg



I didn't know Burl Ives has a sten...
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 9:05:35 PM EDT
It's too bad one of these groups couldn't get itself a prosecution (not wishing it on them) that could make it to the SCOTUS on second amendment grounds.

In light of the precedent of USA vs. Miller, it would be real interesting to watch them squirm around this one!
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 10:04:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Win_88:
I think these are the kind of people who make gun owners look bad.



That's quite interesting. That is what Illinois skeet shooters, clay pidgeon poppers, and some hunters say about people who choose to own semi automatic military style rifles in this state. I find it interesting that some gun owners still wish to appease and curry favor with those that would infringe on whole categories of individual liberties by changing their social appearance in order not to "look bad" to the opposition.

Strange, that is, unless they happen to agree with them?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:30:46 PM EDT
hey, as long as they support American liberty, i have nothing wrong w/ em


Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:49:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
The ATF wants nothing to do with a few harmless fat rednecks with a few belt feds, I mean these guys are just hanging out playing with some illegal guns, as long as they dont start committing some real crimes the ATF isn't going to waste their time.



Holy Fucking Shit on a Redassed Shingle that's an ignorant statement if you please, sir.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 12:00:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By geerhed:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
The ATF wants nothing to do with a few harmless fat rednecks with a few belt feds, I mean these guys are just hanging out playing with some illegal guns, as long as they dont start committing some real crimes the ATF isn't going to waste their time.



Holy Fucking Shit on a Redassed Shingle that's an ignorant statement if you please, sir.



hah hah hah, that statement made my night.

-Ben
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 4:32:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By MoparMike:
The Washington County Militia (AR) has been around for a coon's age. If they were or are doing illegal activities, they would have come down on them by now, surely.



Either that or the ATF realizes the media shitstorm and logistical headaches of taking on a militia armed with full auto weapons who are just itching for a fight.



Naw, that's real simple. They just have 4-man teams descend upon the members while they're at work. I doubt that the members even pack guns to work, let alone their supposed full autos. Easy to do, with minimal chance of organized resistance.

As long as they declare their existence, and act as an "organized militia" and not a bunch of thugs, I've got no quarrel with their existence. While their supposed FA weapons may be illegal, they shouldn't be. Illegal yes, immoral no.

In any case, they are likely infiltrated. Fedgov is good at that at least.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 5:00:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By LoginName:
Wasn't this guys pic posted in one of the Airsoft bashing threads?

home.comcast.net/~bfd750/wayne_sten.jpg


Is my memory bad or does that look like ETH???


Your memory is real bad!



Remember those 'lost' 70 pounds?

Eric The(Slim,Trim)Hun
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:19:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 7:23:44 AM EDT by monkeyman]
I am pretty sure that neither the ATF or other LE agency is afraid of a bunch of arm chair warriors. More than likely they would have already picked them up one at a time if they had violated the law.

Full autos are legal in Arkansas. No reason to believe these are not legal or that one or more of these guys are Class III dealers or C&R colletors.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:25:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 7:27:10 AM EDT by TomF32]




Pic of their ladies, was cracking up when I saw a chick with plumbers crack[:D
Bad pun intended
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