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Posted: 12/23/2005 11:01:48 AM EDT
Poll coming. No IBTP posts please!
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:02:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 11:03:16 AM EDT by w4klr]
ibtp

eta: u asked for it
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:03:08 AM EDT
ibtp
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:03:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:
ibtp



I wanted to see who can't follow directions

I suck at polls.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:04:22 AM EDT
You left out the news media
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:05:07 AM EDT
TSA
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:08:13 AM EDT
Ourselves.

The nation with it's attention span of a Brook Trout
needs 9/11 to happen every year
to maintain the will to do what has to be done to win.

Sad, but true.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:09:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gks452:
You left out the news media



+1 for the media...and I'm NOT kidding either. They provide comfort to the enemy while undermining our morale with outright lies.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:10:44 AM EDT
Muslims.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:14:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:16:31 AM EDT
LIBERALS!
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:26:59 AM EDT
American socialists who else?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:28:24 AM EDT
It could be you
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:33:46 AM EDT
All your phone conversations are belong to us.

We're after terrorists, thilly.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:33:58 AM EDT
Certain Nations and NGOs, AND islamofascists.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:35:11 AM EDT
If you have to ask, then it must be you!!

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:35:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Certain Nations and NGOs, AND islamofascists.




Good point sir.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:36:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
Ourselves.

The nation with it's attention span of a Brook Trout
needs 9/11 to happen every year
to maintain the will to do what has to be done to win.

Sad, but true.



Unfortunately that is the truth. I am ashamed of my countrymen for one thing or another on an almost daily basis.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:38:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 11:40:46 AM EDT by Merrell]
Takes liberals awhile to catch on...

A short story (possibly a dupe, but ah well...)


Liberal vs Conservative.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:44:02 AM EDT
Isn't it the struggle against extremism now? IIRC some general was even more specific/honest and called it the "struggle against violent islamic extremism. That would make the enemy any and all violent islamic extremist.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:49:35 AM EDT
Every single enemy of our country. Every person who raises a weapon, wether it be a firearm or building a bomb, towards our country or it's forces, is an enemy and will be slain...in due time.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:53:04 AM EDT
Any entities or persons that would attempt to invade privacy and/or take away American citizenship rights. In your poll I voted Islamofascists and they need to be stopped. The greater threat is closer to home.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:57:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:00:38 PM EDT
Terriosts.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:01:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 12:01:48 PM EDT by kissfan]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I suck at polls.



I hope no one misreads that

And you forgot DEMOCRATS
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:01:33 PM EDT
Stupid politicians who dismiss CIA intelligence in favor questionable information from foreign sources because it fits their agenda; resulting in a quagmire that weakens the nation's defenses and economic health which makes us all more vulnerable
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:02:27 PM EDT
Criminal Clerics who use poor, ignorant people in a bid for personal power.

Sadly, many of the liberal democrats right here in the good ol' USA.

The liberal media, including Hollywood and the music business.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Redcap:
Muslims.



What about the Muslims that are serving in our military?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:04:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kissfan:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I suck at polls.



I hope no one misreads that

And you forgot DEMOCRATS



48% of the people in this country are enemies in the war on terror?

Wow.

You need a lot of ammo buddy.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:05:17 PM EDT
Mostly I was wondering how many think of the enemy in terms of ideology, how many think in terms of nationality or group membership, and how man think in terms of religion. I thought about adding ethnic groups, arabs specifically, but many would probably not know about the distinction between Iranians and arabs, and arabs of other faiths, etc.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:09:39 PM EDT
Islam is a disease. M118LR is the cure.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:26:28 PM EDT
Muslims... all of em. Although I have hung out with some fine folks from Bangladesh... they get excused.


- BG
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:46:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Damocles:

Originally Posted By kissfan:
And you forgot DEMOCRATS



48% of the people in this country are enemies in the war on terror?

Wow.

You need a lot of ammo buddy.




Yes, I do.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 12:54:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
liberals and cowards



But there we are, defending those same liberals and cowards

I really think there is a growing contingent of radical Islamo-fascists

When I see children - under 10 years old - cussing the USA, it worries me.

I hope our next generation has the balls to handle it.


I guess thats what worries me.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:05:17 PM EDT
Democraps.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:20:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Mostly I was wondering how many think of the enemy in terms of ideology, how many think in terms of nationality or group membership, and how man think in terms of religion. I thought about adding ethnic groups, arabs specifically, but many would probably not know about the distinction between Iranians and arabs, and arabs of other faiths, etc.



Ideology.
Those in this country who adopt a strategy of appeasement and attempt to weaken us from within are the enemy.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:37:22 PM EDT
CAIR
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:40:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:

Originally Posted By Redcap:
Muslims.



What about the Muslims that are serving in our military?



What about 'em? They pray to the same den of evil as the rest.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:42:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
American socialists who else?

+1
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:50:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 4:54:46 PM EDT by _DR]
I hate this catch phrase "war on Terror".

There have been terrorists documented in recent history since before WWI, argueably there have always been terrorists, since long before Christ was born.

Nation States have always been at war against terrorists.

This is nothing new. The only thing new is using an abstract concept like the "war on terror" as a political tool. I don't care who does it, dems, repubs, whatever. There has always been, and there will always be a "war on terror". Only the groups, names, stated objectives and methods change. The innocent victims of terrorism always remain the same.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:58:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
I hate this catch phrase "war on Terror".

There have been terrorists documented in recent history since before WWI, argueably there have always been terrorists, since long before Christ was born.

Nation States have always been at war against terrorists.

This is nothing new. The only thing new is using an abstract concept like the "war on terror" as a political tool. I don't care who does it, dems, repubs, whatever. There has always been, and there will always be a "war on terror". Only the groups, names, stated objectives and methods change. The innocent victims of terrorism always remain the same.



I agree, I hate the term as well (too.....cliche) but people understand it.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:20:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 5:24:47 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By _DR:
I hate this catch phrase "war on Terror".

There have been terrorists documented in recent history since before WWI, argueably there have always been terrorists, since long before Christ was born.

Nation States have always been at war against terrorists.

This is nothing new. The only thing new is using an abstract concept like the "war on terror" as a political tool. I don't care who does it, dems, repubs, whatever. There has always been, and there will always be a "war on terror". Only the groups, names, stated objectives and methods change. The innocent victims of terrorism always remain the same.



I agree, I hate the term as well (too.....cliche) but people understand it.




I hear you...

I think the best way to fight terrorism is to tie up all our loose ends.

Sure, we can wade into Afghanistan and other terrorist strongholds and kick butt, but that is not nearly enough.

It's things like securing our borders (The wall would be a good start), national ID cards, an immigration service that actually could function as one, and very close monitoring of any immigrants/visitors who come from areas or ethnic backgrounds with a high risk of terrorism.

We need to get over this "profiling hysteria". Insurance companies profile people all the time, and nobody screams about that (well I do, but nobody listens). If you can charge someone more for auto insurance for being a white male under the age of 40, why the hell can't you watch someone closer who is a muslim from Saudi Arabia under the age of 30?

Our policies, as a nation, have led us to be victims. When we can change that, we will have won our struggle with terrorism. The problem is not the rest of the world, there will always be those filled with hate for their fellow man. The problem is our inability to recognize what we have to do the keep that hatred out of our borders.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:21:36 PM EDT
Democrats and liberals
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:22:02 PM EDT
OK, I want the 29% of you who think all Muslims are the problem to get a freakin' clue.

I'm not saying those of you with that viewpoint are wrong even; I'm saying you can't fix the problem from that viewpoint without resorting to GENOCIDE. We don't do that, because we're not Nazis. Remember kids, "nuke em' from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" is NOT a foreign policy prescription!

And the 62% or so of you that recognize the problem for what it is, at least generally, thanks.



Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:27:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 5:28:40 PM EDT by modog]

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
OK, I want the 29% of you who think all Muslims are the problem to get a freakin' clue.






I have 2986 clues, thank you very much.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:28:07 PM EDT
Muslims
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:38:53 PM EDT

1. Islamofascists and Muslim sympathizers
2. The House of Saud
3. Syria
4. Iran
5. Palestinian terrorists and Palestinian sympathizers
6. Communists and Socialists
7. The Democratic Party
8. Mainstream Media
9. Pacifists
10. Do-gooders who oppose religious profiling and "hate-speech" against our enemies.



Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:40:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By modog:

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
OK, I want the 29% of you who think all Muslims are the problem to get a freakin' clue.




www.newyorkmetro.com/images/news/02/03/911anniversary/wtc3_11_400.jpg

I have 2986 clues, thank you very much.



Wow, that is such an effective argument!

And yet, strangely, the hundreds of thousands of Muslims in ths country are not blowing themselves up on a daily basis at their local area shopping malls or public sporting events. Or even grabbing, say, the numerous and arguably very effective weapons they may freely purchase at their local gun shop. In fact, last I checked, there hasn't been an up-tick in straw-purchases or anything of the like which might coneal the A-rabs' evil designs.

Come to think of it, none of the millions of Muslims worldwide are hopping onto airplanes, or rowing boats, or just plain swimmin' across the ocean to get a stab at us. If they tried, Muslims here would look at them like the loonies they are, and they wouldn't have a support-base from which to operate.

Hell, Muslims overseas are having a hard enough time embracing Al-Qaeda and their ilk. You know why? Cause they're getting blown up by these scumbags every day too, and they don't like it! Fancy that! They don't like getting blown up either! And here I was thinking they all (every one of em', they're all the same you know) grew up watching suicide bombings like it was soccer.

I'm not a DU troll. I like guns, our Armed Forces, and the US of A. But I've also got a brain. You seem to be consulting your magic 's.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:43:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
1. Islamofascists and Muslim sympathizers
2. The House of Saud
3. Syria
4. Iran
5. Palestinian terrorists and Palestinian sympathizers
6. Communists and Socialists
7. The Democratic Party
8. Mainstream Media
9. Pacifists
10. Do-gooders who oppose religious profiling and "hate-speech" against our enemies.






I tend to agree with that. Not a 100%, but it's a hell of a lot more sophisticated than some other opinions I've seen expressed here.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:44:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
I'm not a DU troll. I like guns, our Armed Forces, and the US of A. But I've also got a brain. You seem to be consulting your magic 's.



Bullshit. Only a DU troll would say the shit you're sayin'.

Anyone who doesn't agree with us is the enemy and must be destroyed.

Stock up on your ammo, you're gonna need it.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:50:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:

Originally Posted By Redcap:
Muslims.



What about the Muslims that are serving in our military?



Simply by espousing that vile religion, they too are the enemy. It is no different than if a US soldier had espoused Nazi ideology during WWII.
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