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Posted: 12/19/2005 4:24:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 4:24:42 AM EDT by fight4yourrights]
fur coats made from dogs that were skinned alive



By Katy Duke and Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 18/12/2005)

It looks like the must-have item in every glamorous woman's winter wardrobe: a sleek, black fur coat dripping with opulence.

But despite the seductive appearance, the coat is not mink or sable. Instead, it has been manufactured from dog fur - possibly from an animal that was drugged and skinned alive to preserve the fur's freshness.

Similar coats are selling rapidly in fashion boutiques across Europe.

An undercover investigation has revealed a booming trade in dog fur coats from eastern Europe, some of which are likely to be on sale in Britain. The fur, which comes from both strays and captured pets, is often re-labelled to disguise its origins before being stitched into coats and re-dyed. This Bulgarian fur, for instance, was incorrectly passed off as "Korean Wolf".

Unlike a mink, which can cost £10,000, a top-price coat made from dog pelt may sell in markets of western Europe for around £400.

The investigation by a German television documentary crew focused on Bulgaria, where it found that stray dogs were routinely rounded up by licensed trappers and delivered to fur factories.

Anita Singh, a campaign co-ordinator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals in Britain, said that there were also reports of pets being snatched for their fur. "They tend to be bigger dogs like German shepherds or golden retrievers," she said. "It is important for people to realise that when they buy fur it is nearly impossible to tell whether real dog or cat has been used unless it undergoes extensive DNA testing.

"You can find dog fur in shopping centres in Britain labelled as something else. It is a disgusting industry and our advice is simply to avoid all types of fur."

It is not illegal to trade in dog and cat fur in Britain, although bans have been imposed in the United States, Sweden, Denmark, Greece, Italy, France and Australia.

The British Fur Trade Association, which represents the fur industry, said none of its members knowingly used dog fur, and it had introduced a labelling system to try to guard against its use.

Most furs - such as mink, fox, seal or rabbit - have their own classification so it is possible to see how much is imported and exported. Fur that falls under the "other fur" category, however, does not have to be listed by species and could include dog or cat fur.

Historically, the British have been unwilling to buy dog fur. In the children's book, 101 Dalmatians, written by Dodie Smith in 1948, the villainous Cruella de Vil tries to steal dalmatian puppies to make herself a unique spotted coat.

Yordanka Zrcheva, the president of the Bulgarian Society for the Protection of Animals, went undercover for a German television documentary to demonstrate the extent of the problem.

Miss Zrcheva said that the country, which is hoping to join the European Union in just over a year, produced "tens of thousands" of dog pelts to sell across Europe.

"There is a massive industry based on the systematic killing of dogs," she said. "There are dog fur factories all over Bulgaria, and they produce all sorts of items, like fur coats, leather shoes and bags made from dogs and so on."

According to Rumi Becker, a spokesman for the Doctors for Animals group which works for the protection of Bulgaria's stray dogs, the authorities are unwilling to clamp down because the industry is "big business".

In Bulgaria the average salary is around £35 a month, while a teacher makes about £80 a month and a doctor £100. One fur coat can be sold inside the country for £200 and more than double that abroad.

"It is hard to collate exact numbers but around 10,000 dogs are collected and killed in Sofia alone every year, often shipped straight to fur factories from dog pounds and animal shelters," said Dr Becker.

"The so-called fur lords who run the factories are farming the dogs on the street without having to pay any support. They don't have to feed or house them or anything except round them up and then skin them.

"I bought a black and white coat labelled Korean Wolf. I asked if it was made with street dog fur, and the vendor said it was, but that I should keep my voice down. I was pretending to be a dealer, and asked if it would be possible to have more. She told me she had 750 in a storeroom in Sofia."

Last week, the anti-fur campaigner Heather Mills McCartney urged the European Union to ban the trade in cat and dog fur, citing the example of the Czech Republic.

"Domestic cats are stolen off the streets, and we're talking about 2,000 to 3,000 just in the Czech Republic, not in the whole of Europe," she said.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:30:37 AM EDT
Group buy?



j/k, this is really sick.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:31:34 AM EDT
skinning an animal while it's still alive is pretty fucked up. there was a video going around a couple years ago that showed animals being skinned alive and writhing around in pain. i couldn't watch very much of it
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:38:06 AM EDT
So what are hookers supposed to wear if these are outlawed?
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:41:37 AM EDT
Some dog and cat toys from china have dog fur in them as well also cat.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:42:48 AM EDT

Anita Singh, a campaign co-ordinator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals in Britain, said that there were also reports of pets being snatched for their fur. "They tend to be bigger dogs like German shepherds or golden retrievers," she said. "It is important for people to realise that when they buy fur it is nearly impossible to tell whether real dog or cat has been used unless it undergoes extensive DNA testing.



Anything PETA says I have to instantly question validity of. They kill more animals than anyone else. Not to mention, the idea of skinning it alive to keep the "fur fresh" is stupid. It is used to elicit extra sympathy. You kill the animal, skin it, tan the hide, preserve the pelt. What are they trying to say, that they would otherwise kill the animals, let the body/fur rot a little, then skin it? No, all the killers are most likely doing is capturing LIVE animals to kill instead of collecting up dead animals from traps.

It's still wrong, if the animals are abused or stolen pets and such. But rabbit, mink, fox, cat, dog, wolf, bear, snake, alligator, etc.... if presented as what it is, and there is a buyer... so be it. But don't make a stray cat coat and sell it as mink.

No Expert
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:48:43 AM EDT


I don't know too much about fur coats , but...

And this is a little off topic...

Sofia, Bulgaria is THE SHIT!
That place is awesome, you can go there and throw money around like a bastard and only spend, like, 50 bucks.

It's so choice, if you have the means I highly recommend picking one up.

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:49:19 AM EDT



Anything PETA says I have to instantly question validity of. They kill more animals than anyone else. Not to mention, the idea of skinning it alive to keep the "fur fresh" is stupid. It is used to elicit extra sympathy. You kill the animal, skin it, tan the hide, preserve the pelt. What are they trying to say, that they would otherwise kill the animals, let the body/fur rot a little, then skin it? No, all the killers are most likely doing is capturing LIVE animals to kill instead of collecting up dead animals from traps.



Yes I have to agree.....I would take everything the PETARD'S say with a grain of salt.......


Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:51:56 AM EDT
See My Vest

Burns: Some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food,
The only thing I'm hunting for,
Is an outfit that looks good...

See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest,
Feel this sweater, there's no better,
Than authentic Irish setter.

See this hat, 'twas my cat,
My evening wear - vampire bat,
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.

Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtles' necks, I've got my share,
Beret of poodle, on my noodle
It shall rest,

Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two,
See my vest, see my vest,
See my vest.

Like my loafers? Former gophers -
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo
Would be best,

So let's prepare these dogs,

Mrs. Potts: Kill two for matching clogs,

Burns: See my vest, see my vest,
Oh please, won't you see my vest.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:54:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Happyface:
Sofia, Bulgaria is THE SHIT!
That place is awesome, you can go there and throw money around like a bastard and only spend, like, 50 bucks.



On what?

A guy I know taught English in Bulgaria and liked it because it was so laid back and cheap. He'd sit around smoking cigarettes, playing cards, and drinking wine all day and no one thought bad of him, because that's what everyone does all day. Fine as far as that goes, but what else is there to do in Bulgaria?
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 4:55:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
See My Vest

Burns: Some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food,
The only thing I'm hunting for,
Is an outfit that looks good...

See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest,
Feel this sweater, there's no better,
Than authentic Irish setter.

See this hat, 'twas my cat,
My evening wear - vampire bat,
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.

Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtles' necks, I've got my share,
Beret of poodle, on my noodle
It shall rest,

Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two,
See my vest, see my vest,
See my vest.

Like my loafers? Former gophers -
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo
Would be best,

So let's prepare these dogs,

Mrs. Potts: Kill two for matching clogs,

Burns: See my vest, see my vest,
Oh please, won't you see my vest.



LMAO
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 5:19:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Mr_Happyface:
Sofia, Bulgaria is THE SHIT!
That place is awesome, you can go there and throw money around like a bastard and only spend, like, 50 bucks.



On what?

A guy I know taught English in Bulgaria and liked it because it was so laid back and cheap. He'd sit around smoking cigarettes, playing cards, and drinking wine all day and no one thought bad of him, because that's what everyone does all day. Fine as far as that goes, but what else is there to do in Bulgaria?





Shoot, I don't know...


I was on R&R, all I really did was drink.
That country is perfect for it.


AND I got the added bonus of being, "offered services" by a transvestite hooker, which officially became the wierdest thing to ever happen to me.

She had an adams apple as big as her balls!
THAT was one funny movie!

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 5:33:02 AM EDT
Finally...we now know the true use for cats.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 5:35:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By No_Expert:


Anything PETA says I have to instantly question validity of.






Anything PETA says I instantly know is false.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 5:36:58 AM EDT
I didn't read past PETA. Skinning anything alive doesn't make sense. Doing it to "keep it fresh" really doesn't make sense. Living things bleed. Blood has to be removed from the hide.

Thank you for posting sensationalist PETA bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:32:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 6:50:37 AM EDT by Cato]
The source is not PETA. Read again: There were several investigative reporters in Germany- the most prominent being Manfred Karremann that took pics and videos in fur farms of cats & dogs which barely got one hit on the head and were skinned while being dizzy- but alive. This happened not once but several time. They slaughter such an amount of pets that there is no time for properly killing them before skinning. I saw the report-its horrible. The fucked up EC is too stupid to ban import and selling of dog & cat fur like the USA did!!.



Undercover investigators documented warehouses in China filled to capacity with skins and pelts awaiting shipment to the US, Russia and the EU.
Asian merchants bragged that they could fraudulently label any item to confuse consumers, dye it to appear as though it was faux fur (or even mink) or not label it at all.
The US banned the import, export, sale and production of cat and dog fur in the US in 2002 -- when evidence was shown that dog fur was being sold on parka jackets at the Burlington Coat Factory and on cat figurines on sale at Hallmark. Both retailers had no idea the items contained real fur.








Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:40:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 6:40:55 AM EDT by M4]

Originally Posted By Cato:
The source is not PETA. Read again: There were several investigative
reporters in Germany that took pics and videos of cats & dogs which barely got
one hit on the head and were skinned while being dizzy- but alive.





Thanks for pointing this out to the typical knee-jerk crowd..."It's PETA propaganda. The end."

I don't support PETA, but I also don't shrug off disgusting cruelty to animals either. Very over simplistic to call it propaganda.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:43:37 AM EDT
we need chuck norris to do a few roundhouse kicks to those assholes..

that is just fucking sick...
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:47:28 AM EDT
China is a rather barbaric country, pretty damn tribal no matter how modern they try to be.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:51:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:56:41 AM EDT
Pretty disgusting. I don't care what animal the fur comes from you could have the decency to kill it quickly before removing it's skin.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:51:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 9:51:30 AM EDT by M4]

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Pretty disgusting. I don't care what animal the fur comes from you could have the decency to kill it quickly before removing it's skin.



Exactly.

Nobody has the right to torture an animal, subject it to cruelty or extended suffering. Nobody.

Fuck culture.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:57:01 AM EDT
That is unfortunate, but at least PETA is complaining where the USA is not a the center of the controversy. Most countries in the world could careless of the whining people of PETA etc. That is why it is only done in the USA where the govt actually does somewhat care. I bet in most countries this would be regarded as controlling stray animals.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:03:10 AM EDT
How many millions of dogs do we kill each year?

How many cats?

Is this really different?

I doubt the skinning alive part... seems not worth the effort when you could just kill 'em and skin 'em.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:04:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:12:13 AM EDT
I saw a feature on this on NOVA. It was so sad. They actually filmed a dog being skinned alive. I don't like the idea of dogs [or cats] being used for food or clothing but if it has to be done, why on earth can't it be done humanly?

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:18:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pdxshooter:

I doubt the skinning alive part... seems not worth the effort when you could just kill 'em and skin 'em.





Originally Posted By pattymcn:
I saw a feature on this on NOVA. It was so sad. They actually filmed a dog being skinned alive.



And I've seen footage of it myself.

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:19:21 AM EDT
Takes too long to kill them?

Gimmie a break!

.38 HP to the head. Dead instantly. Quick and painless. And effortless.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:19:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 10:20:57 AM EDT by Grunteled]

Originally Posted By pdxshooter:
How many millions of dogs do we kill each year?

How many cats?

Is this really different?

I doubt the skinning alive part... seems not worth the effort when you could just kill 'em and skin 'em.



Don't really care about the killing part. It's sad but that's just the way it is. People kill animals to make stuff they want/need.

As to the skinning, I've heard that claim from other sources too. Not that far fetched. It's not done as torture but because they want to damage as little fur as possible and spend as little time as possible per animal. So whack 'em in the head once, if they die ok, if not ok. If they aren't squirming too much while you slice 'em... fine.

Still disgusting. Just because you don't do it with the intent to be cruel doesn't make it ok to not give a shit about pain and suffering of the animals.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:24:43 AM EDT
FUCKING SICK THIRD WORLD COCKROACHES !!

I have an idea, how about we skin alive all those fuckers and their families and see how they like it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:29:53 AM EDT
nothing against fur but ANYTHING skinned alive is pretty fucked up
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:34:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pdxshooter:
How many millions of dogs do we kill each year?

How many cats?

Is this really different?

I doubt the skinning alive part... seems not worth the effort when you could just kill 'em and skin 'em.



Oh, well everything is okay because YOU doubt the skinning alive part.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:34:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 10:35:22 AM EDT by Boom_Stick]
Oh man, at least kill them completely before skinning them.
Thats sick. What's worse is the picture of dogs on rope(leash) waiting to be next. I dont care what anyone says, of all animals I think dogs are the most able to display human emotion. To treat them like that reflects the turd-worlds value on life.
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