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Posted: 12/18/2005 12:18:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/18/2005 12:18:45 PM EDT by thelastgunslinger]
Which chipset should I go with, and why?
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:19:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:20:05 PM EDT
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:31:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:34:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:38:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justthefacts:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.



newegg is where I am looking. I can see that the GT is considerably more expensive, but other than that, I don't see what the major difference is. On Nvidia's website, it doesn't explain the differences either.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 12:40:16 PM EDT
GeForce. Drivers are infinitely better.

Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:13:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
GeForce. Drivers are infinitely better.




+1

Not even arguable. The drivers are more stable and far less likely to give you trouble.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:18:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.



newegg is where I am looking. I can see that the GT is considerably more expensive, but other than that, I don't see what the major difference is. On Nvidia's website, it doesn't explain the differences either.



The GT is faster.

Faster core clock, faster memory, more pipelines… faster.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:22:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.



newegg is where I am looking. I can see that the GT is considerably more expensive, but other than that, I don't see what the major difference is. On Nvidia's website, it doesn't explain the differences either.



The GT is faster.

Faster core clock, faster memory, more pipelines… faster.



Is the GT worth the extra $100? I am going to be playing BF2.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:23:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/18/2005 1:23:58 PM EDT by olyarms]
ETA: oops only pci express.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:26:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Is the GT worth the extra $100? I am going to be playing BF2.



IMO defiantly yes… there is a significant difference. The GT is best bang for the buck.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:36:57 PM EDT
what about a 6600gt compared to a vanilla 6800?
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:47:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:
what about a 6600gt compared to a vanilla 6800?



6800
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:50:51 PM EDT
I bought a 6600GT a few months ago. It was the best bang for the buck going at the time. Probably still is.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:51:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/18/2005 1:52:56 PM EDT by ARDunstan]
How much do you want to spend?
That should narrow down the choices.

I have an Geforce 6800GT AGP 256MB.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:52:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:54:52 PM EDT
For the AGP Id always gone with an Radeon..
Future purchase of PCI-X , Im going with a Nvidia.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 1:58:56 PM EDT
GeForce all the way, BABY!!
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 2:09:28 PM EDT

My Sapphire Radeon 9600Pro is FAR superior in image quality to an AOpen GeForce FX5200

And a real ATI card would probably be much better than even that. I've given-up on using the nVidea cards for anything other than toys. The ATI cards are so much more accurate. Out of the box, the ATI 9800 I've used is much more accurate than you can get any nVidia card I've seen even with working with the driver settings and monitor settings for hours to try to get it color-calibrated. The DAC's in the ATI cards are just so much better than you can easily notice how you can more quickly read text with an ATI card. As an example, on a BFG Tech 6800 I looked at, the red signal was nearly twice that of the blue or green. The image at all levels had a red tint.

I'd say the nVidia chipset is better, but when it comes to looking at the quality of the output, the ATI stands alone. By ATI, I mean a real ATI card. The quality of the clones aren't nearly as consistent. If you're just going to play games and don't care about accuracy or speed of reading text, then the non-ATI cards will probably be ok. If you need accurancy, then you can't beat the ATI cards.z
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 2:54:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.



newegg is where I am looking. I can see that the GT is considerably more expensive, but other than that, I don't see what the major difference is. On Nvidia's website, it doesn't explain the differences either.



The GT is faster.

Faster core clock, faster memory, more pipelines… faster.



Is the GT worth the extra $100? I am going to be playing BF2.



If you are playing BF2, see here:

www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2466

This article applies to AGP cards; for PCI-Express cards, see here:
www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2496&p=3
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:24:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/18/2005 3:30:09 PM EDT by MillerSHO]
You guys are high.

The best AGP video card is the ATI x850XTPE.

I bought an x850pro and flashed it to an x850xtpe.

The x850pro was $220.
The x850xtpe is like a $400 card.

Can you do that with a nvidia?

Nope.

I'm scoring 6500 in 3dmark05, (assuming you're using the same processor as me) you won't see those numbers with any agp nvidia card.


Just to show you my non-bias, if I was going to buy a PCI-E card it would be the 7800gt.


I also don't understand why eveyone always says "ATI drivers suck".
I've been using ati and nvidia back and forth over the years and I've never had a driver issue on both.

Saying "ati drivers sucks" is equal to saying "amd's suck vs intel's". It's some old wivestale that was brewed up years ago and for some reason it has always followed them in the eyes of the bias nvidia lovers.

They BOTH go back and forth making the best cards.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:37:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:


I also don't understand why eveyone always says "ATI drivers suck".
I've been using ati and nvidia back and forth over the years and I've never had a driver issue on both.

Saying "ati drivers sucks" is equal to saying "amd's suck vs intel's". It's some old wivestale that was brewed up years ago and for some reason it has always followed them in the eyes of the bias nvidia lovers.





Apprently you dont use Linux.

Nvidia has forgotten more about programming quality drivers than ATI will ever know.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:58:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 7:09:01 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Is the GT worth the extra $100? I am going to be playing BF2.



With BF2 you should cram as much horsepower under the hood as possible. It really does improve gameplay.

I am using a 6800 GT from ASUS in my new system. I was using a Radeon 9700 in my old system.

The 6800 GT runs BF2 just fine, assuming BF2 will run for you in the first place. It looks great. ATI and Nvidia trade the title of "best" back and forth often. At the time I bought the Radeon, it was one of the best cards on the market. Right now the GeForce cards seem to have a performance edge. Just be sure to buy a GeForce card from a decent manufacturer with good suport. (My ASUS card is great...)

ETA link to the card I bought:

www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=324538

As far as I can see it is the most card you can buy for the money.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 7:05:23 AM EDT
i play bf2 alot. i started out using a fx 5600 ultra. i decided to buy my first ati card. i got the x850 pro. All ican say is wow. i also run a dual boot of fedora core 4. it works just fine.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 7:20:27 AM EDT
I've never had any issues with ATI drivers...but then again, I don't run Linux. I can count on one finger the people I know who run linux lol. My 9800 pro served me well for 2 years, and other than the missing fog in Combat Mission and a few other games, I didn''t have any problems with the card. At the time I bought it, it was pretty close to the top of the heap.

On the other hand, I bought a GeForce 5700 that's been a POS from the get go.

When I decided to upgrade my box about a month ago, I looked at what was out there, and settled on the GeForce 6800GS for $209 from New Egg. I've very happy with the card, and in smokes in games. It's the best bang for the buck as far as I'm concerned, *if* you're talking stock, out of the box, no cryogenticilly cooled overclocking lol.

BUT...there is no doubt to my eyes that the text quality is better with the 9800 pro. It's not something that's major, but I can notice it...it just looks a little fuzzy compared to the ATI card...and this is on a CRT, not an LCD. You couldn't give me an LCD for gaming on.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 8:06:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
i play bf2 alot. i started out using a fx 5600 ultra. i decided to buy my first ati card. i got the x850 pro. All ican say is wow. i also run a dual boot of fedora core 4. it works just fine.



You should go to the overclocking website and see if yours has an unlockible core.

You have the possiblity of taking that x850pro and turning it into a monster.

It will unlock 12 pixal pipelines to 16 and will run at 540mhz/590mhz core/memory clock instead of 500mhz/500mhz.

It's almost twice the card for free.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 8:12:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fenian:
I've never had any issues with ATI drivers...but then again, I don't run Linux. I can count on one finger the people I know who run linux lol. My 9800 pro served me well for 2 years, and other than the missing fog in Combat Mission and a few other games, I didn''t have any problems with the card. At the time I bought it, it was pretty close to the top of the heap.

On the other hand, I bought a GeForce 5700 that's been a POS from the get go.

When I decided to upgrade my box about a month ago, I looked at what was out there, and settled on the GeForce 6800GS for $209 from New Egg. I've very happy with the card, and in smokes in games. It's the best bang for the buck as far as I'm concerned, *if* you're talking stock, out of the box, no cryogenticilly cooled overclocking lol.

BUT...there is no doubt to my eyes that the text quality is better with the 9800 pro. It's not something that's major, but I can notice it...it just looks a little fuzzy compared to the ATI card...and this is on a CRT, not an LCD. You couldn't give me an LCD for gaming on.



It's true. I've always bought an nvidia then ati, nvidia then ati, etc etc.

Each time I put my ATI card I'm surprised all over again how the ati is a ALWAYS a sharper card in both 2D AND 3D vs the nvidia cards. The nvidia cards always have a slight blur to them that is only noticed when you put it up against an ATI card.

Honestly, I don't know why I continue to buy nvidia. O wait, they usually seem to be cheaper.

Like the 6800GS, it really is the best card for the money if your going to keep it stock.

Buy the 6800gs, I would right now if I needed another "bang for the buck card"
See there I go again, saying I'd buy another nvidia card.



Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:12:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
You guys are high.

The best AGP video card is the ATI x850XTPE.

I bought an x850pro and flashed it to an x850xtpe.

The x850pro was $220.
The x850xtpe is like a $400 card.

Can you do that with a nvidia?

Nope.

I'm scoring 6500 in 3dmark05, (assuming you're using the same processor as me) you won't see those numbers with any agp nvidia card.


Just to show you my non-bias, if I was going to buy a PCI-E card it would be the 7800gt.


I also don't understand why eveyone always says "ATI drivers suck".
I've been using ati and nvidia back and forth over the years and I've never had a driver issue on both.

Saying "ati drivers sucks" is equal to saying "amd's suck vs intel's". It's some old wivestale that was brewed up years ago and for some reason it has always followed them in the eyes of the bias nvidia lovers.

They BOTH go back and forth making the best cards.




I just picked up an ATi X850XT for $190! I installed it and updated the drivers, and text is not as sharp as my old geforce 4200ti.

I am having issues with BF2 right now, so I am not sure about the 3D performance, but 2D is a bit disappointing.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:14:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Which chipset should I go with, and why?



Neither.

PCI Express. AGP 8x was so 2 years ago
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:16:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Which chipset should I go with, and why?



Neither.

PCI Express. AGP 8x was so 2 years ago



I dont want to pull my mobo and recreate my RAID array. There are some good cards on AGP 8X, good enough for me for the time being anyway.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:20:54 AM EDT
I have better luck with Nvidia drivers.

I have a GeForce 6800 GTO that doesn't seem to have any issues; besides the auxilary power requirement.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:21:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 4:21:31 AM EDT by metroplex]

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Which chipset should I go with, and why?



Neither.

PCI Express. AGP 8x was so 2 years ago



I dont want to pull my mobo and recreate my RAID array. There are some good cards on AGP 8X, good enough for me for the time being anyway.



That's true, but what are you trying to do? Get a fast gaming video card? If so, none of the AGP 8x cards are really suited for the latest and greatest games - they can cut it w/ some detail/graphics management.

The Radeon 9800 Pro is a good AGP card to get. It's dated but it'll do it as a mid-range level video card.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:21:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Which chipset should I go with, and why?



Neither.

PCI Express. AGP 8x was so 2 years ago



I dont want to pull my mobo and recreate my RAID array. There are some good cards on AGP 8X, good enough for me for the time being anyway.



check PM.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:23:19 AM EDT
One thing to not overlook is your amount of RAM.
I have a p4 3.2, 6600GT (128MB) and 2 gigs on RAM, and it runs great

I had 1 gig of RAM, and thought that my Vid Card was bottlenecking me. I would have 'lag' spikes (I thought they were lag) and almost canned my IP. I bought a 2nd gig of Kingston Value Ram, and now it runs very good. I haven't benchmarked it, but it does what I ask it too.
That 2nd gig of ram also really helped my loading times.
So, I'm partial to the 6600GT, if you have other help around it.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:55:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 4:57:08 AM EDT by Greenhorn]
I got the EVGA Geforce 6800 XT, and it can easily handle BF2. It cost $150.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:53:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
You guys are high.

The best AGP video card is the ATI x850XTPE.

I bought an x850pro and flashed it to an x850xtpe.

The x850pro was $220.
The x850xtpe is like a $400 card.

Can you do that with a nvidia?

Nope.

I'm scoring 6500 in 3dmark05, (assuming you're using the same processor as me) you won't see those numbers with any agp nvidia card.


Just to show you my non-bias, if I was going to buy a PCI-E card it would be the 7800gt.


I also don't understand why eveyone always says "ATI drivers suck".
I've been using ati and nvidia back and forth over the years and I've never had a driver issue on both.

Saying "ati drivers sucks" is equal to saying "amd's suck vs intel's". It's some old wivestale that was brewed up years ago and for some reason it has always followed them in the eyes of the bias nvidia lovers.

They BOTH go back and forth making the best cards.




I just picked up an ATi X850XT for $190! I installed it and updated the drivers, and text is not as sharp as my old geforce 4200ti.

I am having issues with BF2 right now, so I am not sure about the 3D performance, but 2D is a bit disappointing.




OK. I got my monitor readjusted to the new card and text is as sharp as ever. Colors appear more rich as well. The X850XT is going to be a good video card.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:55:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By justthefacts:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By justthefacts:
Personal preference Nvidia 6600gt or if you can find one 6800 apg.
don't like ATI cards.. too many issues with drivers for me.



What is the difference between the 6600gt, 6600le, and the 6600??



The GT is better
6600 is better than any LE.

go to www.newegg.com and compare the cards.. you will see.



+1 User reviews are your friend
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:57:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Which chipset should I go with, and why?



Neither.

PCI Express. AGP 8x was so 2 years ago



I dont want to pull my mobo and recreate my RAID array. There are some good cards on AGP 8X, good enough for me for the time being anyway.



That's true, but what are you trying to do? Get a fast gaming video card? If so, none of the AGP 8x cards are really suited for the latest and greatest games - they can cut it w/ some detail/graphics management.

The Radeon 9800 Pro is a good AGP card to get. It's dated but it'll do it as a mid-range level video card.



I hear ya, but cost is another issue. To go PCIe I would need to buy a new mobo, which in turn would support newer processors and RAM (so more money there). Not to mention that I just picked up the X850XT for less than $200 and any decent PCIe card will run me $400 or more.

There were a couple links earlier in this thread that show that the X850XT AGP benchmarks quite well. And at less than half the cost of the top PCIe cards, it was an easy decision.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 10:51:54 AM EDT
There is no need for PCI-E really, it was just the new thing to do at the time for the industry.

Even the fastest AGP card doesnt even come remotely close to using all the available bandwidth that AGP can handle.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 10:59:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
I just picked up an ATi X850XT for $190!



Man, that is a smoking deal, where did you get it from?

Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:01:35 AM EDT
I like ATi, and have a 9500 Pro right now. I used to run nVidias until ATi got their driver act together a couple years ago and started kicking nVidia's ass.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:06:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 11:13:26 AM EDT by Sub-MOA]
Another thumbs up for Nvidia.

I would hold out for a 6800 gs... You should be able to find one for around $250 in another week or so.

EDIT: Just saw that you had already made up your mind... *shrug* $190 is a pretty good deal for that card.

EDIT2: Note that newegg has the 6800GS for $199

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127200
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:08:32 AM EDT
I'll sell you my 6800GT AGP for $280, or trade for a gun of equal value.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:10:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bushwacker85:
I like ATi, and have a 9500 Pro right now. I used to run nVidias until ATi got their driver act together a couple years ago and started kicking nVidia's ass.



Until the GeForce 6 cards came out. Since then, ATI has been getting their asses handed to them peroformance wise pretty much on a daily basis. They can in no way, shape, or form compete with the quality of Nvidias current offerings.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:12:53 AM EDT
If you can hold out a bit longer, there about to make one last push for AGP and release a few more cards, so will have more choices and probably lower prices.

That said. I went from and ATi 9600xt to a eVGA GeForce 7800GT PCI-e and WOW-E-WOW!!!!!

Been more happy with nVidia than ATi.....
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 12:45:58 PM EDT
http://www.priceguidenetwork.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=608

I put this Radeon X800 GTO in a month ago to replace a 9800 Pro. Works great!

Do not try to play BF2 on 512 or 1 gig of memory. It really sucks a others have said. You will get slow load times and some laggy/stuttering play especially when spawning in. I recommend at least 2 Gigs of memory. It will run like silk.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 1:13:43 PM EDT
What games do you want to play? It DOES make a difference.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 3:40:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hellraiser:

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
I just picked up an ATi X850XT for $190!



Man, that is a smoking deal, where did you get it from?




MicroCenter. $239 with a $50 mail-in rebate. Sticker on the box says $399.99!
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 3:42:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 3:51:08 PM EDT
I built my sons computers for Christmas and they both have the Geforce 6600GT 128mb vid card.

It kicks ass on BF2.

They cost me $150 each.

FREE
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