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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:41:47 AM EDT
Eliot Ness


Or

Pvt. Ryan
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:42:28 AM EDT
Ness!
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:43:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tippman:
Ness!



I second that.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:33 AM EDT
Private Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, the top cocking knob is gay. Plus you could always build an M41-A pulse rifle out from Aliens out of the M1A1 version. Sure you can't use drum mags but they're expensive as hell anyway.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if i was buying one i'd go for the "private ryan" version.

i have seen more than a few of those forgrips crack.




+1
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:56 AM EDT
I would go for the private ryan.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:46:53 AM EDT
Elliot Ness

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:48:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:50:05 AM EDT
Drums don't fit the M1 or M1A1 model without extensive machinework to both the receiver and trigger housing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:51:27 AM EDT
Which Thompson? Lea.

Get the SBR version of the Elliot Ness, then get a spare fore grip that would be like the Ryan,, you end up with the Sgt. Saunders.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:51:44 AM EDT
Lea - She's hot (or was 20 years ago)
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 6:54:39 AM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:44 AM EDT
Get both?
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:54:39 AM EDT
All together now....and a one, and a two and a three...

"GET BOTH!"

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:56:11 AM EDT
I always liked the Ness better.

But after watching SPR I don't know how many times
Buying a Garand
Playing Medal of Honor and Call of Duty for all hours of the night.

Now, I would take the Pvt. Ryan.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:59:22 AM EDT
Ryan
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:11:41 AM EDT
As long as its full auto, it doesnt matter.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:16:25 AM EDT
Private Ryan and SBR it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:19:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Private Ryan and SBR it.

That's what I'm thinking about doing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:25:24 AM EDT
Ness

Then get a pinstriped suit and a violin case for the range days.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:26:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 7:28:43 AM EDT by PAEBR332]

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Private Ryan and SBR it.

That's what I'm thinking about doing.



Great minds think alike. Actually, I am looking for a true Class III. I just need my company's stock to move enough so my options will pay for it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:27:20 AM EDT
Ness
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:34:00 AM EDT


Nuff said...

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Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:40:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if i was buying one i'd go for the "private ryan" version.

i have seen more than a few of those forgrips crack.



Just where do they crack?

I've owned a fullauto Thompson with the vertical front grip for several years, shoot it regularly and have never had a problem with it and I've never heard of or seen anyone on any gun board complain of a broken or cracked front grip on any Thompson.

The vertical portion has a bolt through it's entire length preventing any leverage and the top portion is supported by a piece of steel its entire length. The mechanical design of it precludes any breakage.

Sorry....I just don't believe it. Even the original Colt Thompsons have their original grips from the 1920's.

I hate to do it but you forced me.........

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:40:48 AM EDT
Ryan
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:44:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:51:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Private Ryan and SBR it.




Kahr is making factory SBR's......


www.tommygun.com/ao_m1sb_f.html

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:55:12 AM EDT
Ok, people, let's get this straight: the modern "Thompson" made by Kahr is in no way except cosmetics related to the 1921 and 1927 Thompson submachine guns. I had one of the modern guns (big mistake) until I got tired of lugging it around (heavy) fixing it (poor quality) and finally realized that stretched barrel just looked stupid.

That having been said, nothing could be finer than owning the original Colt 1921 AC, the "Ness" version with compensator, vertical handgrip, and adjustable sights.

Sigh. NFA heaven.

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:06 AM EDT
I had a later AO, before Kahr bought them, and it worked fine. I filed down the mag catch so I could use unmodified magazines, and it ran great. I did have to get the larger side cocking handle, because it was a BITCH to try to cock using that little knob. It ran great, but that long barrel looked goofy on it, and it weighed a ton. (13+lb with a full magazine) It feels odd when you handle it and shoulder it, but you get used to it. I used mine in a carbine match once and did pretty well with it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:11 AM EDT
RYAN.............how ya gonna put a sling on the NESS thing???
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 8:03:11 AM EDT by Alien]

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
Ok, people, let's get this straight: the modern "Thompson" made by Kahr is in no way except cosmetics related to the 1921 and 1927 Thompson submachine guns. I had one of the modern guns (big mistake) until I got tired of lugging it around (heavy) fixing it (poor quality) and finally realized that stretched barrel just looked stupid.

That having been said, nothing could be finer than owning the original Colt 1921 AC, the "Ness" version with compensator, vertical handgrip, and adjustable sights.

Sigh. NFA heaven.




Right... nothing in common besides having the same action and accepting the same parts and being the SAME gun, just maybe not made to the same quality like the Thompsons of yesteryear (kinda like modern 1911s with MIM parts). If you don't like the stretched barrel, you can get a factory SBR. Hell you could have SBR'd it yourself. I'm sorry you bought one that wasn't terribly reliable.

The Thompson is a heavy gun. That's just the way it is. If you have $15,000-$20,000 to spend on an NFA Thompson, that's great. For some people though a Khar reproduction is the only option.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:15:02 AM EDT
An NFA one.
No half measures.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:58:20 AM EDT
Ryan....but you've got to get that thing off Viagra. 11.5" is long enough!
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:12:58 AM EDT
One word.......

CHOPPER!

"You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?"

Jim Malone, The Untouchables
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:14:43 AM EDT
Ryan
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:21:11 AM EDT
Ryan all the way, but I would SBR it. I hate the look of the long barrel.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:24:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
An NFA one.
No half measures.



That's the spirit. Either go big or don't go at all.

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:32:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Alien:

Right... nothing in common besides having the same action and accepting the same parts and being the SAME gun, just maybe not made to the same quality like the Thompsons of yesteryear (kinda like modern 1911s with MIM parts).



I think I'd have to dispute the statement "accepting the same parts" and would certainly disagree on "being the SAME gun." Perhaps some of the screws and things would switch, the stock and forearm, but the internals have to by necessity be different and I would be surprised if the receiver isn't different diamensionally. This means - different gun. Different action, different manufacturer, different parts, etc. There is NO comparison in quality to the Colt Thompson.

Therefore this is hardly the SAME gun as the original Thompson, and all the fake violin carrying cases in the world won't make it any different.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:43:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:

Originally Posted By Alien:

Right... nothing in common besides having the same action and accepting the same parts and being the SAME gun, just maybe not made to the same quality like the Thompsons of yesteryear (kinda like modern 1911s with MIM parts).



I think I'd have to dispute the statement "accepting the same parts" and would certainly disagree on "being the SAME gun." Perhaps some of the screws and things would switch, the stock and forearm, but the internals have to by necessity be different and I would be surprised if the receiver isn't different diamensionally. This means - different gun. Different action, different manufacturer, different parts, etc. There is NO comparison in quality to the Colt Thompson.

Therefore this is hardly the SAME gun as the original Thompson, and all the fake violin carrying cases in the world won't make it any different.



Agreed.
Thompson was an open bolt, was it not?
So making it a semi (as open bolt semis are no-nos) required mod'ing the reciever and some other parts.
Not the same gun at all.
Besides - getting a repro Thompson is like buying a Springfield, Inc Garand - its just not right.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:44:02 AM EDT
Sounds to me that one of you is not sure if there's a difference in some/most of the parts. If that's true, why would either of you post without knowing for sure?

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:49:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 10:07:13 AM EDT by Alien]

Originally Posted By Tirador223:

Originally Posted By Alien:

Right... nothing in common besides having the same action and accepting the same parts and being the SAME gun, just maybe not made to the same quality like the Thompsons of yesteryear (kinda like modern 1911s with MIM parts).



I think I'd have to dispute the statement "accepting the same parts" and would certainly disagree on "being the SAME gun." Perhaps some of the screws and things would switch, the stock and forearm, but the internals have to by necessity be different and I would be surprised if the receiver isn't different diamensionally. This means - different gun. Different action, different manufacturer, different parts, etc. There is NO comparison in quality to the Colt Thompson.

Therefore this is hardly the SAME gun as the original Thompson, and all the fake violin carrying cases in the world won't make it any different.



So you're one of those guys that will argue symantics about whether an AR15 is mil-spec or not because of a lack of full auto or 3 shot burst group and auto sear. Manufacturing processes may have been changed for cheaper production costs and small minor changes may have been made, but it's still functionally the same gun. If you're talking about the same kind of difference that woudl be like what's between that Walther bullpup sniper rifle (name eludes me at the moment) and a 10/22 made up to look like one, then yeah you're talking about a completely different gun. A similar comparison could be made to a Pontiac Fierro made to look like a Lamborgini. But the reproduction Thompsons are pretty damn close to the originals. I won't argue that the same quality/craftsmanship probably isn't there like what was used to make the originals. I will agree with you there.

Are you going to argue that a modern 1911 or AR15 isn't a 1911 or AR15 because it differs from an original production model, things which may have changes like... slightly modified or improved/different parts ... slightly different dimensions ... and lack of full auto fire? I'm going to get a gas piston conversion for my AR15, but guess what? It'll still be an AR15! But on reflection, I guess I should throw away my TRP Operator (full length guide rod and dust cover and no barrel bushing omg garbage!) and Bushmaster AR15 because they're just not the same gun and differ from the original 1911s and AR15s and what the military uses. I guess I'm a poser since I don't have the real thing.







Link Posted: 12/16/2005 10:45:44 AM EDT
Ryan SBR'd
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 11:07:19 AM EDT

I guess I'm a poser since I don't have the real thing.


I think you are finally starting to get the picture.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:31:11 PM EDT
John Dillinger's Thompson is on display in the lobby of the Tucson PD. He was captured there and I believe he escaped.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:32:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 4:46:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Private Ryan and SBR it.



You can buy SBR Thompsons from Kahr.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:49 PM EDT
Pvt. Ryan. But then again I wouldn't even bother with a Thompson if I couldn't have it SBR'd
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:22:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JasonC:
Pvt. Ryan. But then again I wouldn't even bother with a Thompson if I couldn't have it SBR'd


l wouldn't get a SMG unless it was a MG.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:30:07 PM EDT
You're in Wisconsin. Have some self respect. If you can't afford the auto, at least SBR the puppy...
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:31:10 PM EDT
Why did they make it that the M1 couldn't take drums? Was there a reason?


Interestingly enough, the first Thompsons used in World War 2 were by the British. They utilized captured Thompsons (not the M1 version) that they had captured from the IRA. Not one to waste good guns in a time of need, they pressed them into service.
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