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Posted: 12/15/2005 8:50:19 AM EDT
Is the music industry going after folks who download songs using this service too?

Trying to settle a discussion about this issue with teenager.

Thanks,

Flyer
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:52:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2005 8:53:34 AM EDT by Mall-Ninja]
"with teenager" meaning YOUR teenager? or just some random punk kid? If it's your house, it's your rules.


The RIAA has successfully taken down some P2P networks, and even some individual downloaders, seeking damages from the parents. They've got the college kids (who do most of the downloading) scared by bullying the schools into cooperating with them.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:54:01 AM EDT
They are absolutly going after people on this service.

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:02:26 AM EDT
The RIAA is going after anyone they can get their hands on. Of course that doesn't stop anyone because you have about as good of a chance winning the lottery as getting caught, due to the high number of people downloading. At my college it doesn't phase anyone in downloading songs. A lot of people use internet not given by the university.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:04:56 AM EDT
It loads your system with all kinds of spyware. I tried it for a few days and uninstalled it. I had so much crap and a few viruses that I got rid of it.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:08:03 AM EDT
Where there is a will, there is a way. RIAA is outgunned on this no matter what stauates the raise, etc. The polulation is becoming more "wired" everyday, exponentially as a matter of fact. In 10 years how many households will have web service? In 20, 30? P2P is here to stay and they will be hard pressed to stop it or even regulate it..

I am sure P2P services like WinMx, etc will be setting up shop "off shore".
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:19:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
Where there is a will, there is a way. RIAA is outgunned on this no matter what stauates the raise, etc. The polulation is becoming more "wired" everyday, exponentially as a matter of fact. In 10 years how many households will have web service? In 20, 30? P2P is here to stay and they will be hard pressed to stop it or even regulate it..

I am sure P2P services like WinMx, etc will be setting up shop "off shore".



This will not be of any help to them. Setting up offshore will only help them save salaries. Companies like Sony, BMG (yes I know they are the same now) as well as others are covered under more international treaties that no matter where you go they can still get you if they catch you. That being said, I don't see that they will be wasting all that much time on the average file swapper of music and movies.

The only thing you would really have to watch is if your internet provider is filtering by port. They won't block it but they will report it to the RIAA or any software manufacturer that pays them to do so.

Symantec and McAfee are two that come to mind. The first thing that happens is that you will be contacted by your ISP and your service will be suspended if you don't uninstall the software or remove the protected files. Most of this is done by bogus software that the manufacturers put on the file sharing sites to bait you. It will then install and report itself to them as stolen so they can report you to your ISP. If you refuse to uninstall it, it will then a few days later report to the ISP that you have not removed it and they will shut you down. At this point you call and tell them that you have done nothing wrong and they give you the contact information of the offending companies law firm so he doesn't have to go to you.

<rant on>Buy the music, video, software that you want. Someone has worked for it. you wouldn't go to the corner store and steal from them, why would you do it to someone else?</rant>
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:50:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Federalist14:

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
Where there is a will, there is a way. RIAA is outgunned on this no matter what stauates the raise, etc. The polulation is becoming more "wired" everyday, exponentially as a matter of fact. In 10 years how many households will have web service? In 20, 30? P2P is here to stay and they will be hard pressed to stop it or even regulate it..

I am sure P2P services like WinMx, etc will be setting up shop "off shore".



This will not be of any help to them. Setting up offshore will only help them save salaries. Companies like Sony, BMG (yes I know they are the same now) as well as others are covered under more international treaties that no matter where you go they can still get you if they catch you. That being said, I don't see that they will be wasting all that much time on the average file swapper of music and movies.

The only thing you would really have to watch is if your internet provider is filtering by port. They won't block it but they will report it to the RIAA or any software manufacturer that pays them to do so.

Symantec and McAfee are two that come to mind. The first thing that happens is that you will be contacted by your ISP and your service will be suspended if you don't uninstall the software or remove the protected files. Most of this is done by bogus software that the manufacturers put on the file sharing sites to bait you. It will then install and report itself to them as stolen so they can report you to your ISP. If you refuse to uninstall it, it will then a few days later report to the ISP that you have not removed it and they will shut you down. At this point you call and tell them that you have done nothing wrong and they give you the contact information of the offending companies law firm so he doesn't have to go to you.

<rant on>Buy the music, video, software that you want. Someone has worked for it. you wouldn't go to the corner store and steal from them, why would you do it to someone else?</rant>



Right now.. There's some 15 year old kid working diligently in his bedroom to find a way around any and all filesharing "obstructions" and he will succeed. Who's gonna enforce "international treaties" involving file sharing? We can't even get the U.N. to take responsibility for the big issues. I doubt anyone on the international scene is interested in wasting their already small GDP on pursuing American music pirates. At what point is the gain worth the effort? At some point soon I suspect, the effort to shut down filesharing will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of participants. It will not be economically viable to sustain the pursuit..

The punishment is not much of a deterrent anyway and like you stated the chances of getting caught are slim to none..

At the very least.. Internet connections speeds will soon be fast enough to just email music, hell they already are...

P2P is here to stay and will only grow... Nothing short of shutting down the web will stop it.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:01:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:

Originally Posted By Federalist14:

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
Where there is a will, there is a way. RIAA is outgunned on this no matter what stauates the raise, etc. The polulation is becoming more "wired" everyday, exponentially as a matter of fact. In 10 years how many households will have web service? In 20, 30? P2P is here to stay and they will be hard pressed to stop it or even regulate it..

I am sure P2P services like WinMx, etc will be setting up shop "off shore".



This will not be of any help to them. Setting up offshore will only help them save salaries. Companies like Sony, BMG (yes I know they are the same now) as well as others are covered under more international treaties that no matter where you go they can still get you if they catch you. That being said, I don't see that they will be wasting all that much time on the average file swapper of music and movies.

The only thing you would really have to watch is if your internet provider is filtering by port. They won't block it but they will report it to the RIAA or any software manufacturer that pays them to do so.

Symantec and McAfee are two that come to mind. The first thing that happens is that you will be contacted by your ISP and your service will be suspended if you don't uninstall the software or remove the protected files. Most of this is done by bogus software that the manufacturers put on the file sharing sites to bait you. It will then install and report itself to them as stolen so they can report you to your ISP. If you refuse to uninstall it, it will then a few days later report to the ISP that you have not removed it and they will shut you down. At this point you call and tell them that you have done nothing wrong and they give you the contact information of the offending companies law firm so he doesn't have to go to you.

<rant on>Buy the music, video, software that you want. Someone has worked for it. you wouldn't go to the corner store and steal from them, why would you do it to someone else?</rant>



Right now.. There's some 15 year old kid working diligently in his bedroom to find a way around any and all filesharing "obstructions" and he will succeed. Who's gonna enforce "international treaties" involving file sharing? We can't even get the U.N. to take responsibility for the big issues. I doubt anyone on the international scene is interested in wasting their already small GDP on pursuing American music pirates. At what point is the gain worth the effort? At some point soon I suspect, the effort to shut down filesharing will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of participants. It will not be economically viable to sustain the pursuit..

The punishment is not much of a deterrent anyway and like you stated the chances of getting caught are slim to none..

At the very least.. Internet connections speeds will soon be fast enough to just email music, hell they already are...

P2P is here to stay and will only grow... Nothing short of shutting down the web will stop it.



I agree with you. But that also means that we will lose effective limits on anything else that can be translated into bits and bytes -- including things like porn and even kiddy porn. All children will be able to find anything they want at their local information appliance.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:09:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stupidfly:
The RIAA is going after anyone they can get their hands on. Of course that doesn't stop anyone because you have about as good of a chance winning the lottery as getting caught, due to the high number of people downloading. At my college it doesn't phase anyone in downloading songs. A lot of people use internet not given by the university.



LSU? My brother got popped for downloading a garth brooks song and got put on 16 months of university probation and lost all privledges to the University internet. He has also been barred from having any outside company install their service (understandable). Forced to use dial up. Seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:32:24 AM EDT
The RIAA and MPAA are trying to stop a tsunami with a sand castle.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:51:29 AM EDT
KazaaLite is what I use. It's a hacked version of Kazaa with no spyware or adware and your "participation level" that gives you d/l priority is always set to the max of 1000. Not sure the software is still available to be d/l'd and installed.

Works great, though, going on three years!

To protect yourself from getting popped, do not share anything, only download. Also, do not allow yourself to function as a supernode.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:53:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2005 11:55:55 AM EDT by Dragracer_Art]

Originally Posted By 50cal:
It loads your system with all kinds of spyware. I tried it for a few days and uninstalled it. I had so much crap and a few viruses that I got rid of it.



BIG +1

Any PC I've seen it loaded on has gotten bogged down real bad.
Here at work, it actually ties up our internet connection and interferes with our work computers. We have several stores that are all networked via internet connection. I can always tell when Limewire is running... Everything slows to a crawl...
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:17:42 PM EDT
for my Mac I get my limewire from Here. IT is a pro version without all the crap that some guy built from the source code or some babble like that.

I know limewire is Java, but I do not know if that means it will work on pc's....I ain't ever tried it on a pc, o I do not know.

I have pretty much switched over to Azureus and doing the bit torrent thing for now.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:25:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EMSflyer:
Is the music industry going after folks who download songs using this service too?


if i'm not mistaken, they're primarily going after those who make the music available for downloading, but there have been a couple cases of the RIAA going after people just for downloading - but they had downloaded thousands upon thousands of files. maybe i'll hop on google in a minute and see if i can find some articles...


anyways, i'm pretty much done with this stuff. i've gotten too many viruses and too much spyware/malware from downloading music. i'd really just rather own the actual alblum then have it in mp3 form where it might be corrupted or poor quality.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 1:59:29 PM EDT
Thanks for the insight everyone!

I am going to have him stop using it just in case.

Thanks,

Flyer
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 4:34:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 6:11:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
Limewire does NOT install spyware. However if you're not careful about what you're downloading you may get spyware and viruses.

The RIAA has a list of artists who have expressly asked that their music not be shared. Obliging their request lessens your risk of getting into trouble, but not altogether.



+1 Limeware is completely clean from what I can tell.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 6:18:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 6:26:38 PM EDT
I use Shareaza. I used Limewire twice, on a computer at my GF's house. I did like the performance but then I was told by my family's resident computer geek that it was filled with spyware.

Shareaza has none of that.
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