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Posted: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 PM EDT
that I'm buying my 4th one for the same 143,000 mile minivan. How is that for brand loyalty.

Good thing for warranties on three of them.

Hmmm, we've been building cars for a century and haven't figured out how to perfect the tranny?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:38:30 PM EDT
automatics = suck!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:39:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 5:41:28 PM EDT by twonami]
Fleet use or what are you towing?
Wifes caravan is still on it's original tranny and 160K on the clock. Regular fluid changes and no towing either.
My Stratus is also on it's original tranny at 90K
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:39:36 PM EDT
You guys are scaring the hell out of me. Bout to roll over 100k and still on the original. 96 Ram 1500.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:40:28 PM EDT
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:41:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
Fleet use or what are you towing?
Wifes caravan is still on my original tranny and 160K on the clock. Regular fluid changes and no towing either.
My Stratus is also on it's original tranny at 90K



Congrats...............you are in the minority.

vmax84
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:42:56 PM EDT
Dodge late model auto-trannies suck....

All late model American cars are prone to headgasket leaks at low miles....

An interference motor...WTF....?


Seems like after +/- 1968, they all just went south.....
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:43:03 PM EDT
If you are on a Ram 1500 with that much mileage, sell it quick or just get ready to put a new trans in it. As for not knowing how to build a good transmission, they know how, just can’t or won’t do it. They need the back end revenue form repairs.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:43:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vmax84:

Originally Posted By twonami:
Fleet use or what are you towing?
Wifes caravan is still on my original tranny and 160K on the clock. Regular fluid changes and no towing either.
My Stratus is also on it's original tranny at 90K



Congrats...............you are in the minority.

vmax84


the only car I ever drove with tranny issues was my dads 74 Vista Cruiser, TH350 was a POS on that thing. He went thru 2 trannys in 5 years. Not abused either
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:44:21 PM EDT
They quit using carburetors years ago, so they had to find something else to screw up.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:45:17 PM EDT
Vista Cruisers RULE.!! I almost bought one at auction a couple of months back...
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:45:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.



True- 727's are known to be next to bullet proof.

I have wrecked seven GM automatics in my 14 years of driving.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:47:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MNGuns:
Vista Cruisers RULE.!! I almost bought one at auction a couple of months back...


the car I learned to drive in
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:51:30 PM EDT
200,000 miles on the Dodge Ram 250 Van.

Just acting up now.

[Jimmy Rockford] "Just slip it in neutral and give it a little gas" [Jimmy Rockford]

GM
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:52:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MNGuns:
Vista Cruisers RULE.!! I almost bought one at auction a couple of months back...




Originally Posted By twonami:
the car I learned to drive in



If this wagons a rock'n.....

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:00:36 PM EDT
I've got a 1994 GM 4 Speed OD attached to a 350 that has 158,000 on it. Honestly, I'm kind of suprised I haven't had to replace it as the truck was used for towing for a while.

I won't gush over GM though, as my 1991 lumina (long gone) had it's 3 speed transaxle fail at 71,000.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:05:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By MNGuns:
Vista Cruisers RULE.!! I almost bought one at auction a couple of months back...


the car I learned to drive in
img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/twonami/img063.jpg



Which one the grocery getter or the rollin' molotov cocktail in the foreground???

yea, i'm kiddin
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:23:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.





Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:25:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
Fleet use or what are you towing?
Wifes caravan is still on it's original tranny and 160K on the clock. Regular fluid changes and no towing either.
My Stratus is also on it's original tranny at 90K


+1

01 Dakota 4.7 (5 sped auto) with 100,500 on the clock and drives like new.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:38:51 PM EDT
Half a pint, every 3 months...

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:41:17 PM EDT
The #1 failure of chryslar transmissions is failing to change the fluid and using the wrong fluid type. Normally the friction modifiers will weaken in the fluid and you don't notice because it happens over time and the symptoms aren't noticed.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:44:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By APBullet:
The #1 failure of chryslar transmissions is failing to change the fluid and using the wrong fluid type. Normally the friction modifiers will weaken in the fluid and you don't notice because it happens over time and the symptoms aren't noticed.


I see that a lot, people use Dextron when they are supposed to use ATF+3/4
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:46:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 6:47:25 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By APBullet:
The #1 failure of chryslar transmissions is failing to change the fluid and using the wrong fluid type. Normally the friction modifiers will weaken in the fluid and you don't notice because it happens over time and the symptoms aren't noticed.


Most folks use Desron or make the mistake of taking it to a tranny shop that uses Dexron for everything.

+3 or +4 is the only way to go. I like how Chrysler changed the name of the A604 to the 41TE. Same piece of crap transmission.

Advice for anyone with a Chysler 4 spd trans, especially in a van. Add a trans cooler to it and never never never never put anything but ATF+3 or +4 in it.

Here is a good forum allpar.com
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:47:04 PM EDT
I drive a '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo inline 6cyl 4.0 litre

Original owner here

Has 200,000 + miles on the original tranny and runs like a scared rabbit.

Have also towed a jet ski trailor some w/ this rig.

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:08:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ViperEH:
You guys are scaring the hell out of me. Bout to roll over 100k and still on the original. 96 Ram 1500.



On my third '96 Ram 1500 with 105,000 only 'cause the tourqe converter wasn't replaced on the first rebuild.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:15:12 PM EDT
I actually could not be happier with the transmissions in my mopars. The A568 that I have in my shadow is one of the baddest trannies ever made. No one has broken one yet, except for one guy that split a case that was a bad casting.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:25:23 PM EDT
Repeat failures of transmissions on Mopars are usually due to plugged coolers resulting from the original failure. They seem to have a more restrictive design to start with and don't clean out well with normal flushing. Results in overheating and loss of lube to the planetaries .

Cooler flow can be tested with the right equipment or you can just bypass the cooler and install an auxilliary cooler .
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:29:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
I actually could not be happier with the transmissions in my mopars. The A568 that I have in my shadow is one of the baddest trannies ever made. No one has broken one yet, except for one guy that split a case that was a bad casting.



they do make other transmissions that are good. Its just that the 41TE / A604 is a seriously bad piece of crap and most vehicles use that trans.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:03:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:09:15 PM EDT by drrocket]
Its a 1995 Grand Caravan that has been used for carpool with smaller children. No more than 4 adults at a time. All service is done at the dealer (except 3000 mile oil changes).
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:13:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:14:04 PM EDT by MoparMike]

Originally Posted By Dieselman:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.



True- 727's are known to be next to bullet proof.



Well. its a good thing my new-to-me IHC Scout has one.

In all honesty (and look at my name), as a matter of course Dodge does not make a good slushbox. They just dont. I always said I wanted to figure out how to mate a Dodge engine to a Chevy transmission to a Ford 9" rear end, then give it the ride of a Benz. Unfortunately, my magic wand seems to laugh every time I say that.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:18:09 PM EDT
2002 Stratus SE is now hitting 40K and haven't have one problem...
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:19:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:19:46 PM EDT by ComputerGuy]

Originally Posted By StrkAliteN:
I drive a '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo inline 6cyl 4.0 litre

Original owner here

Has 200,000 + miles on the original tranny and runs like a scared rabbit.

Have also towed a jet ski trailor some w/ this rig.




That's because you have an AW4 transmission, or Asian Warner 4 Speed Automatic. This is the same transmission Toyota uses behind their Supra, and a number of other different cars. It's a VERY strong tranny. It's the only automatic every put behind a Jeep Cherokee, and was used in many of the eariler Grand Cherokees. It is not a Chrysler made transmission.

The AW4 combined with the 4.0L engine and you have a drivetrain that is going to outlast your kids.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:22:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:24:09 PM EDT by Mr45auto]
Transmission issues are usually the result of neglect, change the juice as often as reccomended and even more if towing. Dont get lazy and try to get another 5K+ out of it. Also head gasket failures on most cars are caused by not changing out your coolant at the reccomended interval. Aluminum heads on cast iron blocks, keep fresh coolant and you wont have the problems.


With that said, a guy I work with had a new 01? Dodge 2500 cummins diesel and the trans failed at somewhere around 50K towing a fifth wheel. I dont know if he serviced the trans or not. It clunked from the day he got it but never when the service guys tested it
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:25:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By Dieselman:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.



True- 727's are known to be next to bullet proof.



Well. its a good thing my new-to-me IHC Scout has one.





w00t!!! Glad to see another proud Scout owner Scouts used the 727, and they are virtually bulletproof. I've ruined one, but it was my fault. I got it full of water then drove it for a couple thousand miles without changing the fluid
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:28:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By Dieselman:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.



True- 727's are known to be next to bullet proof.



Well. its a good thing my new-to-me IHC Scout has one.





w00t!!! Glad to see another proud Scout owner Scouts used the 727, and they are virtually bulletproof. I've ruined one, but it was my fault. I got it full of water then drove it for a couple thousand miles without changing the fluid



Yep. 345 V8, 4x4, 33in tires, 2" body lift, at least a 4" Superlift+shackles, glass packs, etc. Some gremlins too though, like brakes and 'lectric, plus the standard-equipment-off-the-showroom rust. $850
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:38:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By MoparMike:

Originally Posted By Dieselman:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Years ago, Chrysler's Torqueflite transmission used to be the automotive world's best.



True- 727's are known to be next to bullet proof.



Well. its a good thing my new-to-me IHC Scout has one.





w00t!!! Glad to see another proud Scout owner Scouts used the 727, and they are virtually bulletproof. I've ruined one, but it was my fault. I got it full of water then drove it for a couple thousand miles without changing the fluid



Yep. 345 V8, 4x4, 33in tires, 2" body lift, at least a 4" Superlift+shackles, glass packs, etc. Some gremlins too though, like brakes and 'lectric, plus the standard-equipment-off-the-showroom rust. $850



Brake, electric, and rust problems......yep, you definately got a Scout Hope you have as much fun as I do with all of mine
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