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Posted: 12/14/2005 12:48:16 PM EDT
They could recoup millions of dollars in doing so, instead they spend money to destroy them. They could easily be shipped back over here and demilled into kits. Many collectors would pay top dollar for an Iraqi Tabuk AK or the many other versions over there. Discuss.



Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:49:34 PM EDT
Dude! You like guns? Guns kill people and are icky!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:50:15 PM EDT
because most of those weapons are automatic, and "We the People" do not have the right to bear those types of arms.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:50:27 PM EDT
Its cheaper for them to blow them up on site, denying their use to insurgents. The last thing the .gov is going to think about is US collectors.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:50:31 PM EDT
Yeah! There would be no administrative concerns with a venture like that!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:50:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Dude! You like guns? Guns kill people and are icky!



'n stuff!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:50:42 PM EDT
Because the military mission does not include "send various and sundry weapons back to US for distribution among various weapons kit wholesalers."

It's a fucking WAR not a God-damned scavenger hunt!!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:51:48 PM EDT
I really wish they could do that, I REALLLLLLY do. but could you imagine the headlines?

"FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS BEING STOLEN FROM IRAQIS ARE BEING SOLD BY THE GOVERNMENT IN THE US!!!!!!!!!!!"

tahts the last kind of publicity we need. Although i would LOVE to have an IRAQI AK.............
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:53:15 PM EDT
I've never seen any of them, but being from a 3rd world country, I would surmise that those guns would probably be in pretty poor condition, barring those confiscated from Saddam himself.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:53:48 PM EDT
What I want to know is why we mare blowing up seized weapons with one hand and then buying new AKs for the Iraqi security forces with the other.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:53:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By x5060:
"FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS BEING STOLEN FROM IRAQIS ARE BEING SOLD BY THE GOVERNMENT IN THE US!!!!!!!!!!!"




just imagine the fits that the Brady's would go into.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:54:12 PM EDT
what do you think happend to the gold aks and such?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:54:46 PM EDT
Political liability. It's everything these days.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:55:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By torstin:
what do you think happend to the gold aks and such?




Unit trophy collections most likely.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:55:12 PM EDT
Because of the "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" almost all seized weapons would have to be demilled into kits. I agree that it is the last thing they are worried about, but why not find ways to make some of those billions of U.S. dollars back that have been spent over there. The kits would then be built over here with the correct number of U.S. parts as U.S. rifles.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:55:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
Yeah! There would be no administrative concerns with a venture like that!








It sounds easy to sell kits to collectors, but it's easier just to blow them up. Cheaper, too, even considering the money they would make on kit sales.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:56:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By x5060:
I really wish they could do that, I REALLLLLLY do. but could you imagine the headlines?

"FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS BEING STOLEN FROM IRAQIS ARE BEING SOLD BY THE GOVERNMENT IN THE US!!!!!!!!!!!"

tahts the last kind of publicity we need. Although i would LOVE to have an IRAQI AK.............



I'd love to have a real AK, Iraqi or not.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:56:06 PM EDT
Well, there a plenty fo Yugoslavian SKS's and Yugo AK kits flooding the U.S. right now, maybe Iraqi arms will do the same in 10 years?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:04:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 3:08:08 PM EDT by BangStick1]
How dare the U.S. Gov't be responsible for profiting and distributing these 'death machines' onto the streets of America...


Not to mention profiting from the spoils of war...blah...blah....blah

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:20:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 3:22:55 PM EDT by Lumpy196]

Originally Posted By hartzpad:
They could recoup millions of dollars in doing so, instead they spend money to destroy them. They could easily be shipped back over here and demilled into kits.





Provide me some facts showing they'd recoup millions after going through the process that would be involved with that and maybe I wont say how retarded-5-year-old this thread is.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:21:48 PM EDT
Because the government doesn't want you to have them. Duh!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:25:26 PM EDT
Three letters: A, T, and F.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:28:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Because the government doesn't want you to have them. Duh!



+1
I love how everyone shits on this thread, saying its a stupid idea.
It's not a stupid idea - may not be currently feasible, but it's not stupid.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:29:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Provide me some facts showing they'd recoup millions after going through the process that would be involved with that and maybe I wont say how retarded-5-year-old this thread is.





Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:31:10 PM EDT
Why don't the kit importers go over there, and offer to destroy the weapons, and just demill them. Then import them as kits?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:33:19 PM EDT
Most importantly, it's Bush's fault they are not being sent back, him being so anti-gun and all.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:37:25 PM EDT
benefits = money from collectors willing to buy them (like me)

are vastly outweighed by

costs = setting up infrastructure to de-mill thousands of AKs, shipping them, getting everything licensed and legalized

and

risks = bad publicity, anti-gun people spinning things the wrong way, weapons getting into wrong hands and being used in a high publicity event...

it's a nice fantasy, but as a business venture it's simply not worth it.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:40:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Because the government doesn't want you to have them. Duh!



+1
I love how everyone shits on this thread, saying its a stupid idea.
It's not a stupid idea - may not be currently feasible, but it's not stupid.



The military is in the business of blowing shit up, kicking ass, and taking names.

Not scavenging shitty AK's for a profit.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:04:05 AM EDT
Why dont they send some mortars and serin gas kits back also. I can see the press saying that now.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:31:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Originally Posted By x5060:
"FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS BEING STOLEN FROM IRAQIS ARE BEING SOLD BY THE GOVERNMENT IN THE US!!!!!!!!!!!"




just imagine the fits that the Brady's would go into.




That would be a really good reason to do just that
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:53:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mmx1:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Because the government doesn't want you to have them. Duh!



+1
I love how everyone shits on this thread, saying its a stupid idea.
It's not a stupid idea - may not be currently feasible, but it's not stupid.



The military is in the business of blowing shit up, kicking ass, and taking names.

Not scavenging shitty AK's for a profit.



This is true. But their corporate/political masters ARE in the business of profit.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 12:59:41 AM EDT
Hell I would be impressed if they would just send magazines back to the US for sale.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 1:40:25 AM EDT
Because the US government isn't in competition with the private sector to make a profit.

If you start using tax dollars to supply demand, you will soon have an economy in the tank. Private business can't compete with a govt that doesn't care what it's costs are, and has unlimited bankroll of the taxpayer. Kill off a couple companies and the only source then becomes the Army. So now instead of a profitable business using funds it earned to finance future sales, the Army uses your taxpayer dollars to fund it's own sales that it doesn't care too much about. It's a formula for disaster as far as economics go.

That's why there are laws against the US government competing with the private sector.

So the answer to your question is because it's against the law.

Our operating costs are staggering. AK kits wouldn't even put a scratch in it.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 3:06:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 3:09:31 AM EDT
Belive it or not, our gov would much rather you not have any firearms
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 3:29:53 AM EDT
Because the Left would start saying"No war for AK's!"

or how 'bout..."George Bush invaded Iraq for their AK's"


Like that would be wrong


jj
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 3:45:32 AM EDT
All captured AK, RPK, PPK, RPG & Dragunovs were turned over to the Iraqi Army and Police. Everything else was destroyed.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 7:29:01 AM EDT
And because as somebody stated it would cost more to do that than gross profit taken in. The result would be a loss. The government would have to hire or contract people to ship them, demill them then sell them. Add in typical govt. inefficiency, you know the agency that would have to be created to oversee this, and the bureacrats needed.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 7:59:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:


It's a fucking WAR not a God-damned scavenger hunt!!!



Read this.

Understand it.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:17:33 AM EDT
Probably because they're selling them to another country that is currently our ally but will be our enemy in 3-5 years.

Here's another wack idea... why not give them to the Iraqi Army?
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