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Posted: 12/13/2005 3:02:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 9:49:56 AM EDT by metroplex]
Should I build up an AR-15 carbine or get the FN FS2000 when it comes out next year?

AR-15 carbine:


FN F2000 Tactical (FS2000 is slated to come with the 1913 rail):
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:03:26 AM EDT
AR.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:11:12 AM EDT
I was thinking:
6-position M4 stock
16" Bushmaster barrel
Quad-rail FF handguard
flip-up BUIS
A4 upper
some type of flash suppressor

it should be at least 30" OAL though...
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:12:13 AM EDT
FN
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:15:03 AM EDT
IMHO - AR15

The FN is a bit too "terminator" for me. Its sort of a Power-Ranger looking futuristic deal

Hell, all firearms may look that way in 20 years and thats fine. But for me....for now....its AR15
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:10:09 AM EDT
If you are anywhere near Grand Rapids, just go to Silver Bullet Firearms and pick up a nice Rock River Arms. Forget the Power Ranger shit.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:22:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 4:22:55 AM EDT by desertmoon]
Big ditto on the AR. I must reluctantly admit, some of the other dastardly folks on this board have me wondering about the P90, though.....I don't know why....I HATE that Power Ranger shit, also.....


I must just be bored.....
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:27:06 AM EDT
How much would a no-ban 16" M4 with chrome lined bore and chamber and 1/7 twist barrel cost?
I was thinking of building another one rather than buying a pre-built, but if the price was right...
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:32:04 AM EDT
With good components....probably around 750 to 850 depending on how you play it.....
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:47:24 AM EDT
IBTB (In Before the Both)
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:02:07 AM EDT
If you already have an AR I'd save up for a F2000, those things look hella cool. Although it might be mid to late 2006 before they are available for general sale.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:05:44 AM EDT
They're supposed to be ready by 1Q or 2Q 06, just after the Shot show.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:55:34 AM EDT
I have 2 ARs already, So Im gonna save for the FN.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:58:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 5:59:30 AM EDT by Mauser101]
How many ARs do you presently own? If it's two or more and you do indeed want an FS2000 then I say save the extra quid till the FS is released.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:05:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 6:25:31 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]
PS90
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:10:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 6:16:29 AM EDT by Rock7]
Yeah, get the FN. Then you and your friends can get together on Sundays and play Battlestar Galactica in the back yard.
Dude!...Sweet!...Dude!...Sweet!...Dude!...Sweet!...........
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 7:39:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 7:40:30 AM EDT by metroplex]
I wasn't aware Commander Adama issued FN F2000s to his marine details? Did Stargate Command recently issue FN F2000s for its off-world teams and security personnel?

Link Posted: 12/13/2005 7:52:18 AM EDT
No, in fact in this new season of Stargate, they have switched over to HK. MP7 and G36's





Link Posted: 12/13/2005 7:54:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By notso:
I have 2 ARs already, So Im gonna save for the FN.



I have 4 AR's and I'm planning on buying 2 more!
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:50:21 AM EDT
I'm kind of debating the same thing now (well, I'll have the money earmarked for this together in a year or so). I'm leaning toward the AR, for it's modularity, price, and the fact that I don't already have one.

If I had an AR15, I would definitely get the FS2000.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:54:07 AM EDT
get the FN.

Something new and different

Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:54:36 AM EDT
Get the AR now, then the FN when it comes out
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 9:48:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pillbox:
No, in fact in this new season of Stargate, they have switched over to HK. MP7 and G36's

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I guess HK MP7 and G36 airsoft sales will now surge! if people actually watched Season 9 gosh darn it it sucks so badly. I can't even stand the SG-1 crossovers in Atlantis.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 10:29:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 10:37:02 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By pillbox:
No, in fact in this new season of Stargate, they have switched over to HK. MP7 and G36's

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I guess HK MP7 and G36 airsoft sales will now surge! if people actually watched Season 9 gosh darn it it sucks so badly. I can't even stand the SG-1 crossovers in Atlantis.



I don't recall any company getting into mass producing an MP7, though one small time domestic firm (The Q Project) started work on an MP7 but eventually dropped it several years back. Some concern over the firm they were contracting to produce it snagging their earlier designs for a G36c and basicly not paying up. Guess that happens when you deal with certain asian countries which flout US/Int'l patent law.

Any airsoft MP7s are probably either mass produced conversion kits or one off custom kits...which leads me to believe that SG1 is using real guns on the show again.

EDIT: They need to hurry up and cancel SG1. Only good character they introduced (Vala/Claudio Black) they didn't keep around very long.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:24:28 PM EDT
I agree - season 9 is very bland. I swore i saw Beau Bridges twitching during the briefings...

The Atlantis folks need to keep better track of their P90s or at least hold onto them better. I still cringe at how slow it is to reload one of those.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:51:49 PM EDT
What? So FN sells to civilians, now? I remember a while back ago when the ban was about to sunset, people were wondering, "will FN sell to us civies?" The majority consensus was "no". Glad that is not the case.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:53:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 2:54:02 PM EDT by SirDrinksAlot]
My dad likes guns, but not enough to spend major $$$ on one.

Till he saw the FS2000.



and I already bought more than I can afford, so i'm SOL with buying it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:55:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
Get the AR now, then the FN when it comes out



+1

if anything, i would get the FN
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:55:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:





That vertical grip has the ghey.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:56:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 3:11:39 PM EDT by gordon_freeman]
FN F2000 duh!

That's if you like the novelty of bullpups and aren't afraid of buying a "untested" weapon. I for one, have lots of faith in FN's engineering capabilties, and love the concept of bullpup assault rifles...

Where does one go to pre-order these babies again? Don't want to be caught with my pants down like i was for the Xbox 360

Edit: WTF IS THAT VERTICAL GRIP?! Gah!
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:05:17 PM EDT
The FN is a little to Batman for me. To each his own.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:49:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:

Where does one go to pre-order these babies again? Don't want to be caught with my pants down like i was for the Xbox 360

Edit: WTF IS THAT VERTICAL GRIP?! Gah!



Impact Guns is one of the companies taking pre-orders on them.

As to the verticle grip, if it works and it looks stupid it just looks stupid and works. I don't much see the point of a verticle grip on an FS2000 anyway because the front handguard is likely to heat up a lot slower than on an AR. That's the main reason I like verti grips.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:51:15 PM EDT
that grip is a bad photshop
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 5:57:38 PM EDT
Why spend all that $ on a gay looking F2000? So many better choices if your AR stable is filled out already like the FAL, M1A, M1 Garand, AK's, etc. What about a precision heavy caliber bolt gun?
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:14:36 PM EDT
both!!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:59:06 AM EDT
The civilian FS2000 will be similar to the F2000 Tactical, except it won't have the vertical grip. I think that portion is modular anyhow. You can swap that part out for a M203 or the VFG or something else.

The FS2000 will have the 1913 rail on top w/ included BUIS. If I posted the F2000 you'd see the bulky integrated optics and that isn't part of the FS2000.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 1:37:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
PS90





NO SHIT< I WANT ONE TOO, AND THE FS2000. HELL I WANT GET A SPECIAL CASE TO HOUSE BOTH AT ONCE!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:50:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cold:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
PS90





NO SHIT< I WANT ONE TOO, AND THE FS2000. HELL I WANT GET A SPECIAL CASE TO HOUSE BOTH AT ONCE!



Like these......
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:54:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 6:55:21 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
I don't know why, but I am strangely attracted to the FS2000....

Just checked the price.

1800 bucks??? Are they INSANE???
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:08:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I don't know why, but I am strangely attracted to the FS2000....

Just checked the price.

1800 bucks??? Are they INSANE???



Nope. Sounds about right to me.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:10:53 AM EDT
It's well worth $1800 but I hope the price does not jump up significantly.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:12:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:
It's well worth $1800 but I hope the price does not jump up significantly.



That I will agree with you on.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:12:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:
It's well worth $1800



May I ask why exactly it is "worth" 1800 smackers??
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:24:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 7:25:58 AM EDT by Alien]
I really really really want an F2000, but I’ve decided to pimp out my AR15 first. First up is a new ARM-R rail (already ordered), then an Aimpoint ML3 and LaRue mount (should be able to order those this weekend), then a gas piston conversion from Leitner-Wise (hopefully I can send it in at the end of January or in February). Lastly, I’ll put a Surefire light on it. Then I’ll get the F2000.

If you've already got an AR15 and it's not configured how you'd like yet, I'd do that first then get the F2000. If you've already got a high speed low drag AR15, get the F2000. I don't like buying multiple guns of the same exact make, model, and caliber.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:25:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 7:26:46 AM EDT by metroplex]
FS2000:

1). It takes AR-15 mags and .223/5.56 ammo - commonly available now
2). It's a fully ambidextrous bullpup rifle, cases eject to the front
3). 16" barrel with 1/7 twist
4). 1913 rail with flip-up BUIS
5). modular front end for what appears to be optional rails and VFG - not really my cup of tea but some people love VFGs...
6). Compact size, about 28" OAL from muzzle to stock. It's shorter than a 16" AR/M4 carbine. I think I'll even have to register it as a pistol in MI.
7). Short stroke piston operated
8). P90 styling

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:32:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 7:34:49 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By metroplex:
It's well worth $1800



May I ask why exactly it is "worth" 1800 smackers??



Because that is what people will pay.

I dont get the too much money people. If its somthing that you cant afford, then dont fret and move on. I dont hear you complaining about the price of Double rifles, high end hunting rifles, good trap guns etc. All mentioned can be found for many times what this will go for. I am by far not $$ rich and will have to save to afford one after breaking my piggy bank for the p90. But I also understand that some things cost more then others and if I choose to have one I need to work harder to get it. Hell I am saving for a double that will cost me nearly $10,000. Still a few years out but it will happen. Its just money.

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 8:48:59 AM EDT
Its all reletive..even in AR's......I remember when a brand new SP1 could be had for 425.00, then that ban hit and over night the same rifle was 1,800!!!(I even saw one for 2200) and for all of us poor working stiffs that is a lump of money. The same SP1 is still now 900-1200 and a LE colt is 1500. All the neet stuff is high, its just the way it is......it takes longer to save for one now ,and its a bigger decision on which one to buy, but the bottom line is that they arent really ever going to get dirt cheap again. That went the way of 1.00 a gallon gasoline.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 9:58:46 AM EDT
Different vert grip...

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:01:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:
Different vert grip...

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OMG its Stone Cold Steve Austin and Adam Sandler!!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 10:21:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 10:44:13 AM EDT by metroplex]
It looks like a slightly different version of the VFG, it must replace the front modular panels.
It seems like a lot of people are interested in the FS2000.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 3:37:52 PM EDT
Why are there rails on the sides of the VFG?
Is that for a swiss army knife ??
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