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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:45:47 AM EDT
I'm looking for a cheap NV device to use while night calling coyotes and bobcats. It doesn't have to mount to the rifle. I want to be able to scan for incoming varmints without waving a spotlight around. Anybody have one of the Trashco/Bushnell > $200 type? How well does it work?

1911fan
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 3:47:06 AM EDT
See the SWAT magazine forum for the discussion on the new CCD model
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 3:52:23 AM EDT
I think the version I tried was around $170-180 or so at Dicks. It was returned as soon as I could. Miserable optics, pathetic performance. I was, and am, FAR better off with a high quality pair of bino's....

You won't believe me on this so try for yourself, just make sure what the return policy is before you drop your $$.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 3:53:52 AM EDT
The wifes grandfather bought one of those russian made ones from harbor freight & it's a pos, totoal waste of money. No idea about the tasco, is it russian or japan made ?
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 4:04:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 5:10:54 AM EDT
Some of the Russky NOD's can be worth having with a good, healthy IR illuminator. You have to remember that these are essentially 1950's and 60's technology devices you are buying. It's not like TV or what you see on the movies. None of the 1st gen devices will provide a useful image on an average night out in the country without some kind of an artificial light source. There's no such thing as a free lunch in life, and any $200 NVD you buy will leave you wanting for performance if you expect it to be more than a curiosity to show your friends.

Dave

Definitely won't look like this tent with a faint dim glow to it:

Link Posted: 12/12/2005 7:37:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 7:39:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911fan:
I'm looking for a cheap NV device to use while night calling coyotes and bobcats. It doesn't have to mount to the rifle. I want to be able to scan for incoming varmints without waving a spotlight around. Anybody have one of the Trashco/Bushnell > $200 type? How well does it work?

1911fan



You can night hunt in Washington?
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:13:54 AM EDT
Yup, coyotes and bobcats only.

1911fan

Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:21:21 AM EDT
I have an ~$85 monocular from Sam's Club I bought two years ago. It's been used to check on the kids across the street that were shooting fireworks over my house and was fine for that. It's a Gen I with illuminator. I've toyed with the idea of getting some IR Cyalume Lightsticks and using them as illumination (thrown on the lawn for example). It's grainy and has a lot of spots to it but has a little more contrast to it than the pic that TheOtherDave posted.

Frankly I think everyone should have some kind of NV, be it monocular or not.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:29:21 AM EDT
I have a $220 Isreali import monocular. Uses 2 AA batteries. Been really happy with it. When I get home I'll get the mdel number.
I believe I bought it from KY Imports.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:35:03 AM EDT
I dont have any NV but i saw on optics planet that they sell a cheap Bushnell monocule that actually comes with a rifle mount. Do others also have that option? It seems to me that you have to pay a lot extra for "weapon mount" NV. But if you get a cheap Monocule and mount it yourself you save dinero.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:40:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/12/2005 8:46:19 AM EDT
I just bought a Weaver Nightview that is supposed to be really good. I haven't tried it yet but will in the near future ...price was $199.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:04:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:09:03 PM EDT
I've been looking at buying some cheap goggles for just goofing off at night. I dont' know which ones to go with though. Bushnell, Night Owl, or Argus.


Abe
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:14:53 PM EDT
Don't do it.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:17:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:
Don't do it.



+1

Save your dough for Gen3
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:29:08 PM EDT
is there a decent weapon mounted monocular that doesnt have the price tag of a PVS-14?

i could probably afford one, just cant justify it for the little use it will get.

any other decent ones out there?
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 12:30:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By keystone170:
I just bought a Weaver Nightview that is supposed to be really good. I haven't tried it yet but will in the near future ...price was $199.



i hope your experience is better than the others here have had.



I am not so impressed with my NightView. I don't have anything to compare it to though.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 1:10:49 PM EDT
If you can potentially afford a Gen II or III save up but it wont help you now. I couldnt afford a Gen III unless I saved for YEARS so thats not an option. I been looking at Gen I stuff because it is within my reach now and better than nothing.

I'd rather have a GenI thats works OK now than looking at the dark saying "Sure wish I had some Nightvision, maybe in a couple a years i'll have some good stuff"
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 1:13:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
If you can potentially afford a Gen II or III save up but it wont help you now. I couldnt afford a Gen III unless I saved for YEARS so thats not an option. I been looking at Gen I stuff because it is within my reach now and better than nothing.

I'd rather have a GenI thats works OK now than looking at the dark saying "Sure wish I had some Nightvision, maybe in a couple a years i'll have some good stuff"



That's exactly the reason I got mine. It was $85 or so at Sam's Club. Works nice. I'm glad I have it.

Sure I would like Gen II or III... It's just not happening right now or even for the forseeable future.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 9:51:19 PM EDT
I concur with others: the gen-1 scopes can be useful at close range if you use illumination, but otherwise aren't. I have an ATN M0-21 and I like it for the $230 it cost. The "free" 2X doubler is useless but the regular lens is 3.2X and works okay. I feel it works about as well as a gen-1 can--that there is nothing deficient about the scope overall.

I bought one Harbor Fr3ight and have seen a couple other models from them and they were all POS's, you could see that it was working but the view was nearly-useless. I took mine apart just to see what was inside a NV scope. The optics appear to be TOTALLY uncoated, and the imaging tube internals are crooked! The ATN cost twice as much but is built much nicer.
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And dual-tube gen-1 goggles would be a waste of money. The "decent" dual-tube gen-1 goggles cost up around $750 or so--and for ~$1200 you could buy a gen-2 monocular that would work much better overall.
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Link Posted: 12/17/2005 8:36:57 AM EDT
So how far away can you recognize things with the MO-21? I want to be able to spot coyotes or bobcats against snow, prfereably out to 250-300 yards.
But I also don't want to spend ~$1000 for it. Whatever I get will be used for 1-2 months a year, a few times a month. The idea is to locate incoming varmints and get the shooter & spotlight lined up on it, then turn on the light and shoot. Moving blobs would probably be acceptable, target recognition could be from the way the move.

1911fan
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 8:46:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 9:22:54 AM EDT
What about a gen2+? Is the gen3 that much more of an improvement to cost $2500 more?
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 9:30:17 AM EDT
Crap- seemed like a good idea, I just don't want to spend a pot o'cash on it. Guess I'll just stick with the spotlight.

Thanks for saving me from a $200 mistake, guys!!

1911fan
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 9:39:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911fan:
So how far away can you recognize things with the MO-21? I want to be able to spot coyotes or bobcats against snow, preferably out to 250-300 yards. .....1911fan


Under those conditions, a gen-1 won't see beyond about 50 yards any better than "okay" unpowered binoculars will.

You can get some "okay" binoculars for $200, good ones (with ED-glass) for about $450. Regular binoculars do work well at night, if there is any moonlight at all and especially if there is snow on the ground. If you want to be able to see under starlight without any additional illmination, you will need at least a gen-2 scope; nothing cheaper will do it.
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