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Posted: 8/1/2001 5:45:32 AM EDT
Your predictions, observations, no [b]Diatribes[/b] please, lets keep it clean...
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 5:49:12 AM EDT
It's possible.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 5:51:26 AM EDT
Historically, every nation created by man has fallen. The united States of America will someday fall. How? Your guess is as good as mine, but I *feel* it will have something to do with democracy as opposed to representitive republic.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 5:54:20 AM EDT
I think it'll be the Pan-Asians.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 5:57:36 AM EDT
Yes. When Rome fell, it was different. The Chinese, at the time, probably didn't know that Rome existed. Now we are all more economically co-dependant. When we fall, the world falls.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:03:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:07:49 AM EDT
Off topic: Just read a short history of the wars and genocide in Rwanda-Congo(Zaire) between the Tutsi and the Hutu...crazy stuff...I wonder what would have happened if Colonialism still reigned on the dark continent...
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:08:25 AM EDT
Of course it will. Absolutely nothing is forever. (Don't start, garandman) Nor will it be the end of the world. There'll be a lot of fussing, but up will still be up and pi will still be 3.147
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:08:56 AM EDT
Colnel Quadaffi-Quacki has called for a "Untied states of Africa"
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:11:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:12:50 AM EDT
Well, I suppose that depends on the meaning of "fall". The British Empire was a different time, and a different type of economy. If we mean "fall", as in the Roman Empire, the world falls with us. If we merely mean that China or the Pacific Rim becomes the center of Power in the world, that's different, and could very well happen. I don't think there will be any "Dark Ages", though, as a consequence.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:14:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:49:42 AM EDT
Certian ethnic minorities who teach their children that they are victims, and entitled without due effort... As they breed with impunity, and the same stagnant dependant culture remains. They will drown out the white people who built this nation, and re-enslave them via reperations. I say "re-enslaved" because when a certian race is forced to foot a financial burdon for the benefit of another, they lose their personal wealth via taxation, as the other race is allowed to keep wealth.... Slowly but surely, the race receiving the reperations will have all the money, and those working to "pay" them will be taxed into poverty. Economic slavery. Coming soon, because no one in this nation will ever face racial issues, so support for such racially guilty measures grows daily...
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 6:53:09 AM EDT
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When do you think it will happen? 2040? 2050? 3000? How long can we last? DK-PROF, the Brits didnt have a nuclear arsenal in the last century like we do....?
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:03:24 AM EDT
Really. Haven't we already? We just haven't realized it yet and it's being stolen while we are down. I am beginning to fear working within the system is futile and corruption (ecco-moral-political) is the victor. Zaz
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:09:42 AM EDT
Of course, I would argue that the KIND of system can work, and does very well in Scandinavia
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um,.... if you consider being told whether you [b]will[/b] go to college or trade school ot at 15, 65% tax, a mediocre health system and the general notion that the people have no say on any of it......then I guess you think it might work. Whatever…it does not [i]work[/i] it is [i]forced.[/i] Zaz
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:25:44 AM EDT
I'm with Celt on this one. Many have come before. Many will come after. Atrophy works wonders. When? That would be sheer speculation. Y2K didn't do it, maybe Dec 22nd, 2012 [:D] as per the Aztec predictions. Most likely it'll be a slow painful death filled with corruption, stagnation and fear of inevitable change.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:30:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: When do you think it will happen? 2040? 2050? 3000? How long can we last? DK-PROF, the Brits didnt have a nuclear arsenal in the last century like we do....?
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Russia has a nuclear arsenal that is a tribute to their former "powers". They are among the poorest countries in the world now.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:39:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:57:31 AM EDT
I doubt well ever see it! Econamy is in the shit's right now. CELT: pi is 3.1416.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 8:26:07 AM EDT
I could forsee another civil war before America falls (if this country ever does). Although I believe that America may fall, I don't think that it has to... did anyone understand that [:)] Tyler
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:10:12 AM EDT
Every nation falls eventually...the question is how and when. Personally, I believe there will still be a country called the United States of America, with roughly the same borders, for several hundred years. I do not, however, think that its government will be recognizable to us by then.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 10:41:45 AM EDT
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The year is 3045, the last tribes of 'Meriga' are gathered in the northwestern portion of the US, the forbidden zone looms on the horizon...hunger is not a problem here because of all the wildlife and gun enthusiasts provide plenty of food...the babes are hot and life aint bad....they live by a 'costitshun' handed down to them by their forefathers...they aint had no schoolin' but hey...the babes are hot...
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:05:13 PM EDT
Yeah, maybe not fall but fade away with a wimper just like the Roman empire. The Roman empire died a slow death with its citizens becoming fat and lazy while it's enemies became stronger under Roman rule. In the end, the Roman armies were more Barbarian/Goth and Visagoth than Roman. They just broke away from Rome and formed their own nations. There was nothing Rome could do about it. Check this site out for historical details on how Rome lost it's unique representative style of government. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html Or more correctly voted away their rights, blinded by fear and apathy. They voted in their our own version of a "god" Ceasar for protection, while surrendering most of their individual rights. They empire slowly disintergrated in the centuries following becoming smaller and smaller, and completely fading away in the middle ages. Rome did know about China, the silk road was in full swing thousands of years before Rome was even a forethought. They may have never seen a Chinese person but they knew about the east. The Greeks, Persians and Eastern Europeans all knew about China too.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:14:29 PM EDT
If the U.S. keeps on sliding down the path its currently on. We are on the fast track to falling. I don't think America will fall by some other country taking us down. I think America will destroy itself. This might bring flaming, but i think it caused by America's lack of morals.[:|]
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:40:31 PM EDT
Yes it will eventually. Probably crumble from within due the the cancerous spread of the liberal mentality. Hopefully not for the next hundred years or so. We are still a very young country by historical standards.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:47:47 PM EDT
Well, if it happens in the next 100 years or so, I hope the schumers, clintons feinsteins, et al, are all around also. I want a chance for payback.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:57:34 PM EDT
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it already is. I have a feeling if our founding fathers were here they'd be organizing another revolution. I hope it never comes to that though, although if the SHTF hopefully I'll be prepared. Going to price AR's at local gun stores next week. Hopefully we can elect some new politicians in the next few elections and get things back on track to being the great free country we are supposed to be
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:04:44 PM EDT
Yes, perhaps sooner that you think. Look at the defense policies of bush. Look at the explosion of arms of all types in china and russia. We have sent all computor production to the east, and have none to repair our equip in the event that it is needed. The old adage of preparation with guns, food, clothing, and personal mental preparation may go along way into keeping you alive someday.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:31:12 PM EDT
America as with any naion can fall but it dose not have to. To look at history to find out how long a life America may have can be no help at all there has never been an America befor so what would you look for. Will America fall? Thats up to us.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:41:52 PM EDT
O-no I did not read EVERY post befor I posted so I now would like to say, yes America will fall and soon. some of the people are commies but most don't care. How can we not fall with people like that? In the pased people would die for America now you can't even get them to give a damn. Now I know most of you will say America is not the same now as in ws then and thats right and I just said why.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 11:41:34 PM EDT
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Well I can see Canada going into civil war before the US falls since Quebec (the province I live in) wants to separate and make its own country and the English who are the minority will not allow what would be to come. Already here the Quebec government has forced all immigrants to attend French schools and all signs to be French within this province. If we separated the Quebec government plans on abolishing all other languages but French in schools, at work. The laws they have already passed here for language are against freedom of speech, expression and even press. If this province does separate maybe it could spread over the boarder when war breaks out, in any case the English speaking people in Quebec wouldn’t mind some Americans to come over for some target practice [X]
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 6:19:35 AM EDT
I see us splitting apart like Yugoslavia. Mexican Americans, if they are not assimilated, there will be hell to pay.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 7:05:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: Colnel Quadaffi-Quacki has called for a "Untied states of Africa"
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That's going to get confusing, I mean two U.S.A.'s? I guess it makes sense from a merchandising aspect.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 7:28:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sodie: Yeah, maybe not fall but fade away with a wimper just like the Roman empire. The Roman empire died a slow death with its citizens becoming fat and lazy while it's enemies became stronger under Roman rule. In the end, the Roman armies were more Barbarian/Goth and Visagoth than Roman. They just broke away from Rome and formed their own nations. There was nothing Rome could do about it. Check this site out for historical details on how Rome lost it's unique representative style of government. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html Or more correctly voted away their rights, blinded by fear and apathy. They voted in their our own version of a "god" Ceasar for protection, while surrendering most of their individual rights. They empire slowly disintergrated in the centuries following becoming smaller and smaller, and completely fading away in the middle ages. Rome did know about China, the silk road was in full swing thousands of years before Rome was even a forethought. They may have never seen a Chinese person but they knew about the east. The Greeks, Persians and Eastern Europeans all knew about China too.
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I personally don't subscribe to this theory BUT there is a line of academic reason in which the United States (with its roots in British colonialism) is the modern day seat of the "Roman Empire" which extended into Britain and absorbed the peoples and culture... oh so long ago.
Link Posted: 8/4/2001 7:35:10 AM EDT
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Study up on these articles and see what you think. Eradicating the U.S. Constitution by Design [url]http://newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2001/7/31/010506[/url]
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 1:30:46 PM EDT
I'm old enough to remember the "Prophetic" speech made by "Nikita Krushchev" that Russia would never have to fire a shot as America would fall within (or words to that effect). This speech was in the late 50's. I believe the United States started it's decline around 1965. Wish I could find a copy of the speech. I believe it was in a debate with Richard Nixon. ?? I also remember the "Shoe Pounding" by krushchev which was really great.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 2:42:59 PM EDT
America will never die, it'll just fade away. in my opinion "America" has already fallen. there is nothing that can really be done about it and we have no other continent to run too. no other nation to my knowledge as lasted for over 200 years. america is past its life expectancy.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 2:55:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bat21: I'm old enough to remember the "Prophetic" speech made by "Nikita Krushchev" that Russia would never have to fire a shot as America would fall within (or words to that effect). This speech was in the late 50's. I believe the United States started it's decline around 1965. Wish I could find a copy of the speech. I believe it was in a debate with Richard Nixon. ?? I also remember the "Shoe Pounding" by krushchev which was really great.
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i think i have that quote somewhere. if i find it i'll post it as well as other marxist quotes i find interesting. i beleive that we lost the cold war. people look at physical stregth too much. not bullets, but a battle of ideology. we lost and marsism is en vogue. over 50% of American beleive that some freedoms that are guranteed to us should be limited. espicially the big three: free speech, self-defense, and the right to personal property. serf lib
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 3:23:31 PM EDT
DK-Prof So you think that perhaps the ruling class better knows whats right to do with your stuff than you?
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 4:08:32 PM EDT
The Roman Empire lasted less than the lifetime of two oak trees! Of course the US will fall from its position of technical and financial superiority at some point, it is inevitable. If the impetus of this fall comes from inside this country it is my opinion that it will come from the right, not the left(communists, etc). But in the meantime, Long Live America!! The Land of the Almost Free!!
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 4:35:21 PM EDT
America has already fallen. It's just that the New York Times does not feel that this news is "fit to print". If I told you, 50 years ago, that someday in America, the federal government would dictate how much water we can flush down the toilet, you would have told me to go get a tin foil hat. If I told a returning WWII vet that 50 years from now, the government in some states would be trying to ban his beloved M1 Garrand, he would have punched me in the eye for belittling his beloved country. If I told you that farmers would someday have to fight suckerfish, to get irrigation water, and lose, you would have laughed me out of town. If I told you that an American president would someday commit treason by selling our nuclear technology to COMMUNISTS, and GET AWAY with it, you would have put me in a straight jacket. If I told you that nearly 100 AMERICAN men, women and CHILDREN would be burned alive by the FBI, with no one being held accountable, no one would dare sit next to me at church. By the time I got to saying that the police will soon be knocking down doors in the middle of the night, and killing innocent people, and that thousands of Americans will have property confiscated without due process, no one would even dare listen to me. I would be labeled that "wacko that lives next door" and people would have their kids walk around the block to avoid walking past my house. The funniest part is that 50 years after I might have said all this, all of these things are happening, and because I try to warn people that things are out of control, I'm labeled the "wacko that lives down the road" and kids walk around the block to avoid walking past my house.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:09:18 PM EDT
[size=3][b]Wake Up Everybody![/b][/size=3] Why are you wasting your time trying to decide when,how,why it will happen? [b]It's Already Happened![/b] I'm for starting a new thread: [b]When did America Fall?[/b]
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:28:16 PM EDT
Well said critter,well said.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:33:43 PM EDT
Dk-Prof, you sure do sound a lot like those socialists that are trying to tax me to death and take away what little liberty I have left. What's a person with views so far to the left doing on this board? Anyone else think 65% taxation, your future predetermined, and basically not having to think for yourself at all, a good idea.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:35:11 PM EDT
I want to agree with critter 100%. I came in on the 2nd page of this thread but I want to put my 2 cents in. I have said it before and I will say it again when you eliminate god you can not have god given rights. So with this in mind let me say my peace. The people in this country have basicly surrendered their country,their god,and their freedom but most of all their ability for self thought and discernment. The American people are just worried about their money,home,car(4x4 or SUV)and immediate self gratification. With this happening they have given their destiny over to the Government. The government will feed us,protect us,pay us,look after us when old ect. ect. ect..They have totally put government in God's place. The only thing these people don't know is that they are in the wrong country for this. They should have gone to england or another country because this country was designed for the government to stay out of your life and for the individual to work hard and make his fate. Now with the bill of rights being in place we have the power to do that. The people who have just closed their eyes to the bill of rights now have the attitude of government being their mother,father,God,lover,provider. The people of this country like it this way. That is why we have these problems(not just gun control) cause they elect these jerks into office or worse yet they don't even bother to vote. This alone just shows you they have surrendered. They have just put up their hands and said do what you wish. As long as I have my modern comforts. Little do they know the america that they have created is an illusion. And they have nothing or own nothing. When you can loose your farm cause of an endangered rat or you get kicked out of your home(like in NJ)for owning a certain type of gun. You own nothing!!! Will america fall you bet your last dollar it will. The process has already started and there is no stopping it. It will just get worse faster and faster. My advise to all who read this is look up towards the almighty and trust in him(jesus) cause he has a kingdom that is beautiful and when you arrive it will never fall. God keeps his promise's. I am looking forward to going to the place my god has prepared for me, and in his time, I will take my place in paradise that will never end. There is no saving this place. Bible predicts anti christ will come into the world. He is going to be the world leader. We can see that the UN is trying to take it's place as world government. And it will. What do you think clinton meant when he said we have to think globaly. Word government. This is the liberals dream. The almighty all powerful 1 world government. The ultimate government one that controls the world. Think about what I said it is food for thought. Last, there is nothing wrong with government helping its people because our government is supposed to be for the people by the people of the people. But when anything takes the place of God Almighty it is no good. God bless you all my fellow gunners.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:44:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By libertarian: America will never die, it'll just fade away. in my opinion "America" has already fallen. there is nothing that can really be done about it and we have no other continent to run too. no other nation to my knowledge as lasted for over 200 years. America is past its life expectancy.
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Good quote, they actually played it over the Washington State school PA system that I attended when General MacArthur made that famous speech. "Old Soldiers Never Die, They Just Fade Away". Good "spin" on that quote. Of course what would I know, we still had drills diving under our desks when the siren sounded that we were under "Nuclear Attack". I hope I'm not giving away my age !!!
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:47:03 PM EDT
On its current path,this country is doomed.
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 5:54:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lougotzz: They have totally put government in God's place.
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You hit the nail squarely on the head with that line!
Link Posted: 8/6/2001 6:01:28 PM EDT
Got to agree with LOUGOTZZ. The U.S. will fall, if it has not already. What a terrible thing to have to read or write about. My kids are just now teenagers and the crap they were taught in school almost got me arrested when I confronted the principal. They are now home-schooled. I don't know how good a teacher I am, but they will have a lot more respect for the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Holy Trinity than they ever would coming out of a public school.
Link Posted: 8/7/2001 2:21:40 PM EDT
I know alot of people who are home schooled and the kids turn out fine. My wife tried it but couldn't do it. She gave it her best shot but it is not for everyone. It is a very hard and dedicated thing to do. I commend any and all who try it and do it. The Government is no longer: for the people, by the people, and of the people. That is why America is/has started to fall. It is just a matter of time before it is a total heap of rubble. It saddens me to think that this great land that my relatives fought for and gave me the ability to choose my own religious beliefs without doing it in secret is on its way down. In other countries you can get shot for not being part of the state religion. People don't realize that after all the guns are taken away they will get rid of other rights and being the government is in the place of god they will not want anyone worshiping any other god but them.So, the 1st amendment will be next on the list.After that 4th and 5th can say good bye also. Eventually the bill of rights will be just theory. And like my first post the people want this. It is all an illusion. God help us all. I want to know if there would be a fuss if people had to get a background check or a license to practice their religion. Or maybe they had to get government permission to buy a bible or a koran at a book store. Would they be upset? It just seems to be that the 2nd is expendable. The citizens don't have the moral or godly insight to see something is wrong. As long as the economy is good they don't care who is in office. And that is exactly how the anti christ will enter into being the world leader.
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