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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:06:07 AM EDT
[#1]
I know it's an old cliche' but only one thing comes to mind...
If you're not angry, then you're not paying attention. Just another case... [8P] |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:11:02 AM EDT
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I seriously feel sickened my this. Truly, truly sad when hard working people save and do the right thing and don't ask for help or handouts, and they just keep getting more of the same dicking, while someone how has [b] 3[/b] KIDS and, my guess is, no husband, is getting the finer things in life, because.......well shit, because she has a sob story I guess. Just sickening.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:14:45 AM EDT
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That is a bunch of B.S. that stuff like that happens we hard working folks pay for people to lay in bed and have babies.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:17:24 AM EDT
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Well, I can sure understand and sympathize with your being pissed-off. It makes me mad, too. BUT I think it's a mistake on your part to allow this lousy situation to dictate YOUR life-style and choices.
I don't blame you for being mad, but almost every decision I made while really angry turned out to be a bad one. Try not to let the Bastards get to you. Calm down and think awhile before committing yourself and family to a course of action. Best of luck, Garand Shooter. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:18:28 AM EDT
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G-shtr, you are starting to sound like a Libertarian! [beer]
I heard that same $hit this morning when my clock radio went off, and it is truly awakening to see how these socialists think. Calling them liberals is too nice. The are socialists, Nazis, in fact. [sniper] And while we're at it, why not give amnesty to all the illegal immigrants? [-!-] Time to feed the hogs. [BD] |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:23:30 AM EDT
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It would be nice if there was section on the 1040 that asked what you want your taxes to be used for.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:24:30 AM EDT
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I know it sucks but there are other people out there who aren't deadbeats and are working just as hard as you are so fight for them not for the white trash.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:31:44 AM EDT
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I'm with Garand Shooter on this one. No amount of persuasion to the opposite could make me see any different.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 11:14:50 AM EDT
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Garand Shooter,
Taking the long narrow road is difficult but hard work will still put you ahead in the end. Do not let these people change youe attitudes lest you become like them. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 11:19:39 AM EDT
[#10]
GS this is for you:
[url]www.mcuzi.com/imbroglio/mad.wav[/url] |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 12:39:22 PM EDT
[#11]
If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages?
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Posted: 7/25/2001 12:41:56 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted: G-shtr, you are starting to sound like a Libertarian! [beer] Or a true Conservative...... |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 12:42:00 PM EDT
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In theory it is pride of ownership, in reality they will default and we will have repos all over the place.
Give it to the guy that worked for it! |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 2:31:43 PM EDT
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We have lost our country without a fight and the enemy is all about us.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 2:43:14 PM EDT
[#15]
A guy at work today said this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I said hell man if you were paying attention it's already happened! The current administration gives me a little hope but for how long? We have gone so far down this road I'm afraid there's no turning around.
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Posted: 7/25/2001 2:44:19 PM EDT
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Welcome to Socialism. This is just another reason never to vote for the Dems. I know there are probably quite a few women out there with 3-4 kids, who through no fault of their own got stuck with a deadbeat husband and are now paying the price. But I also know there are quite a few able bodied single men and women getting section 8 benefits, because there are many of them living in apartments not very far from where I live. So, what do you do? Do you make these women work, in which case we pay for day care? What is the solution?
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Posted: 7/25/2001 2:44:43 PM EDT
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Yes, we have a real problem. But I think your plan to keep your income low is the wrong answer, I think. Try to make as much money as possible, then use every available legal means to KEEP it. There are many books out there to help you. Start your own corporation, Get rental property, donate to charity, etc.
I certainly like your spirit, however you are being unnecessarily self destructive. As a group, the more money we make, the more influence we have to reclaim this county from the sheeple. Don't Let The Bastards Get You Down! |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 2:53:15 PM EDT
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City of Buffalo has been on fed funded housing projects for YEARS......whether group hsg or individual..........what ultimately happens is that the beautiful brand-new houses (or apartments)........that they have "earned"...have a life expectacy of less than 20 years, only due to neglegt and abuse of the tenants/nieghborhood.....nothing new in the big cities.....it has made working people sick for a long long time.....the fed dumps billions and billions into the welfare ridden areas (n.y. state-one of the worst) and the politicians sing praises for themselves, as if it was something THEY made happen....they even have thier own police unit, so that incidents in the "new" housing areas can be kept quiet.......politics....BLAHHHH.....[puke]
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:22:31 PM EDT
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Why quit? So you can fall farther down the food chain and be like those you despise? Maybe get a house next to the same woman?
Better to think like my accountant does,"You are paying taxes cause you are making money". Right on! Money that keeps me in a house that I do pay for, food on my table, clothes on my wife and college for my kid. I am proud that I can work and have some skills and don't need a handout. Let the slackers take pride in their "entitlements" until the inevitable happens: The "system" will collapse under the weight of it's obligations to those who will not work to produce. The voters will (finally) become enraged to the point that our govenrment is seriously reformed and those who have worked very hard and not succumbed to the socialist mindest will find themselves in a very different world. Forget the "armed revolution' nuts. Serious social and political change will only happen when the burden of unfair taxation is too great to bear and enough people regain a sense of values, morals and common sense, then get motivated enough about it to get themselves elected and start changing things. Don't drop out! Take your passion for doing the the right thing and make it productive! |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:27:24 PM EDT
[#20]
aint life grand........hang in there man
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:28:54 PM EDT
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The real problem is that we all believe that we deserve to have what we work for, and that's just not fair to those who don't work. We need to realize that the only fair system is for everyone to make the same amount of money and have the same benefits, no matter how much or little you work. The false ideals of Capitolism allows people to work harder and have more than others, and that MUST be stopped! -Troy |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:32:43 PM EDT
[#22]
More like----Karl Marx mode..........[dracula]
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:38:18 PM EDT
[#23]
I hear ya Garandshooter.
I am pissed off every day that I drive by the new low level housing they are building near my house, at the expense of over $46 million of OUR money, to replace the highrise housing that they just had to tear down. Wasn't welfare and public housing supposed to fix all the poor's problems. The point is, they are pouring money into a hole that they have been pouring money into for years and it doesn't help. The cruelest thing that we can do is allow people to survive on the public teet. Liberals call it compassion when all it is is slavery to the bureaucracy. By the way, if the system was going to come to a halt because people wouldn't stand the taxation and would vote it out, it would have happened a long time ago. People are lazy and greedy. Now all they want to do is call the guy on late night T.V. with the question mark suit that hawks the "Free Money Through Government Programs" book. Lazy and greedy and looking for their next piece of government cheese. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:43:51 PM EDT
[#24]
Anti Dog eat Dog Agreement -->Equalization of Opportunity Act -->Fair Share Business Act --> Directive 10-289!!
Can I be John Galt? Zaz |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:44:41 PM EDT
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I have a good one for you Garand Shooter
We treat patients at my Radiation Oncology practice from wide range of backgrounds, with all types of insurance. The Medicaid patients get picked up as a group and delivered to my office, free of charge for treatment, thanks to the state. Our Medicare(hard working individuals,who paid for their benefits) have to find a way to our office on their own, no help from the State. Here is a bizarre fact: The Medicare patients almost always show up for treatment. While the Medicaid patients tend to miss many appointments. We routinely have Mcaid patients extend treatment 2 weeks for reasons other than medical. But, what drives me crazy is that the Mcaid patient has a sense of entitlement that the other, paying, patients don't have. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:45:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? DAMN RIGHT I CARE!! Why should I work 50 to 80 hours a week to provide a house and a standard of living for my family and watch almost 40% of my paycheck go to pay for people who won't go out and get a f%$#$ing job?? "Earn your keep" Remember when that phrase meant something??? Sure doesn't any more. I second the idea of letting the taxpayer allocate by percentage the amount of their taxes that they want to go to what programs. My guess is that the line at the Welfare office would be pretty depressed when the checks came out. One reason I'm unsympathetic: I was in a convenience store one day to buy some water cuz I was out in the sun busting my ass and I get behind a teenage girl with a kid. She pays cash for her smokes, then buys ice cream with food stamps. What a good use of my tax dollars. WWoodworth |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 3:56:36 PM EDT
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I got the solution...
Why dont we tell them that they have to get a job OMG!!!! They have say 2 months to get it. And for say 3 months we pay for the kiddy care. After that they are on there own. I don't mind meeting them halfway but I aint gonna give them a free ride. So its rather simple tell them get a job or else social services comes and takes away your kids and we stop paying for you. You have a right to live and you have a right to do what you think is right. Well if you think its right for you to live of off me you are wrong. If you can't pull your own wieght ask for some help but I won't pull it for you. Simple as that. There are however certain curcumstances where this would not work but for most they should be able to do it. Basically they have to work or else they get nothing. If that means they gotta work 70 hours so be it. It isn't fair to me to pay yourway as well as mine. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 4:01:29 PM EDT
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At the last apartment complex I lived at my wife was best friends with one of the rental agents so she hear the inside stories. I found out that half the people living in the place were section 8 housing - $850 for a two bedroom, $965 for a three.
They really abuse the places because they'er not paying for it, not going to get thrown out except for an act of God and don't care about references because the state takes care of that for them. They basically can get away with anything short of burning the place to the ground. They're always getting evicted for non-payment or too many police-level complaints. I'm really tired of living in apartments (15 years now) and have finally saved up enough for a down payment on a home and I'm close enough to military retirement to buy a home.... and I end up in California! |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 4:05:53 PM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? You've gotta be shitting me! |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 4:08:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? If you understand anything about this then you would know that the government is buying them a house, not just paying rent. The Sec 8 are being given property to OWN, not shelter. Meanwhile we save for years AND pay rent before we can buy a house. Are you getting the message? Zaz |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 4:30:24 PM EDT
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Democracy- 4 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
The democratic politician says vote for me, free house, free food, no one has to work. See the inherent weakness of democracy with out adherence to a Constitution. The end IS near. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 4:42:35 PM EDT
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Mother in law used to rent to one of these people, where 3/4 of the rent was paid by.....of all things....a "corporation"...(never DID figure that one)....the burden of housing is then placed on the owner of the property, wherein about $1500-$2000 of "improvements" must take place annually, or the cash would stop. Then what? You can`t evict the person, so once you let them in, they have you by the balls!....best part was, she initially let the guy rent, because she knew him in the past and felt that she wanted to help....luckily. it turned out good, but others with a similar situation are not always so fortunate....some actually perform illegal remodeling to the premises....try to stop that!....then, again, you CANNOT evict them, at least not without expensive and time consuming counsel, and the bottom line is, IF you rent to one of these people, it is going to be an EXPENSIVE, AGGRAVATING, experience.....[puke]
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Posted: 7/25/2001 7:20:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Hang in there Garandshooter. You have a right to be pissed off, but try to heep your head up and not let all of that shit bring you down. You're not a "quitter"... those other free-loading motherf**kers are!
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Posted: 7/25/2001 7:25:02 PM EDT
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Initially the right to vote was only granted to land owners . I think there was a point to this . How many land owners will vote for a liberal who is going to tax them to death and take away their rights as property owners ?
The liberal gets many votes from people on the entitlement programs . It becomes a vicious circle . Give someone welfare or social security , or public housing or free medical care and they will give their vote to the politician that enacted the freebie Gov't program . More entitlements , more votes More Votes , more entitlements . Seniors are one of the biggest groups of active voters . They are also one of the biggest groups that receive entitlement programs .I'm not bashing seniors but I sure as hell don't want to pay for all their God damn Prescriptions . All these Social Programs sound great . Free medical care . Free housing . Free food . They all sound great until it comes time to pay the bill . Do the math . Somebody has to pay for all the so called freebies . Turns out they really aren't FREE after all . |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 7:42:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? You've gotta be shitting me! We don't really have all the information to say that the total money paid out is actually the same. What about loan guarantees? Nothing laid out initially, but what about when some defaults occur? Also what about in 20 years when the loan-to-value ratio is upside down? Who eats the rehab costs? Taxpayers, I'd bet. [red][size=4]PRK[/red] |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 8:09:55 PM EDT
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Before you quit entirely...how 'bout buying me a cheeseburger. I'm hungry and you can obviously afford it.
"From those according to their ability, to those according to their need" Peace out-K. Marx |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 8:37:00 PM EDT
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Garand Shooter, now you get it the hard working are punished and get the crap taxed out of them, while welfare mommas have their "litters" of kids and get rewarded. The bigger the litter the more they get rewarded. We have LBJ to thank for his "Great Society".
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Posted: 7/25/2001 8:40:53 PM EDT
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Mo%$erf&%*@rs
[rail] [uzi] [chainsawkill] [frag] |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 8:48:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? You've gotta be shitting me! We don't really have all the information to say that the total money paid out is actually the same. What about loan guarantees? Nothing laid out initially, but what about when some defaults occur? Also what about in 20 years when the loan-to-value ratio is upside down? Who eats the rehab costs? Taxpayers, I'd bet. [red][size=4]PRK[/red] How about when they sell their taxpayer funded home for a profit? Do the proceeds return to the state/fed? Or do they get to keep the profit? Most homes increase in value when sold. |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 9:25:58 PM EDT
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This is simply not a "Free country", it is a democracy. you're just now realizing this? we are property of the state.
You have a right to a "free" home,a right to "free" healt-care and a right to a job, but not a right to fruits of your own labour. The answer to this problem is simple, but implementing it into existance is far from simple. The IRS should be abolished on the federal level. go back to when the federal govt had to have state ratification for money. keep state taxes and add sales taxes and user fees too boot (also to help fund the military, wich should be large enought to fight a war on two fronts) [url]www.fairtax.org[/url] also abolishing the federal tax code would leagalize selective fire weapons (U.S. tax code 26 if im not mistaken) [:D] and take the teeth out of the ATF which is part of the treasury dept. of course i'm just a "far-lib", but hey! thats what the founding fathers put in the constituion. they must be "far-libs" too [whacko] dumass libertoon |
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Posted: 7/25/2001 10:03:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Hey Lib, sorry I didn't explain that far lib comment about Claire Wolfe in the other thread. I figure if there can be folks to the far right and left, why not far-lib? I define far lib as those who want to go even below the minimum level of government set forth in the constitution, some even want to abolish the entire fed gov.
I am a libertarian, but not a far-lib by that definition. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 5:19:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: The liberal gets many votes from people on the entitlement programs . It becomes a vicious circle . Give someone welfare or social security , or public housing or free medical care and they will give their vote to the politician that enacted the freebie Gov't program . More entitlements , more votes More Votes , more entitlements . You're missing a big part of the equation: The liberals get the votes of the people who receive the entitlements, PLUS the votes of the people who are hired to administer the entitlement programs. And then there are all the jobs created to support the bureaucracy, such as the professors in the schools of social work and the union construction workers hired to build the housing projects. Look at who's fighting to maintain the status quo in public education. Is it the parents of poor children? No, it's the members of the public school bureaucracy who get paid whether the children learn anything or not. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 5:24:13 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Originally Posted By Matt VDW: If the total amount of money being paid out is unchanged, should we care whether it's being used for rent or for mortgages? You've gotta be shitting me! If a mugger knocks you down and steals your wallet, does it make a difference to you whether he spends the loot on crack or on crystal meth? |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 5:25:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: We don't really have all the information to say that the total money paid out is actually the same. What about loan guarantees? Nothing laid out initially, but what about when some defaults occur? Also what about in 20 years when the loan-to-value ratio is upside down? Who eats the rehab costs? Taxpayers, I'd bet. [red][size=4]PRK[/red] Hence the word "if" in my initial message. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:14:47 PM EDT
[#45]
The above post is correct, people who are not "franchised", that is owning no property, should not be allowed to vote. period. The slackers, worthless, lazy skum are voting themselves larger and larger portions of OUR money to be used for themselves.
I used to live in Connecticutt where HUD had put housing projects in suburban areas to make the welfare skum feel better about themselves. So nice areas saw an increase in crime, we used to sit in bed and listen to gunshots on hot summer nights. That's when I started carrying all the time. What they are doind now is going to be putting scumbags in normal neighborhoods full of hardworking folks. It should be easy to spot their houses, they'll be the shitheaps in the otherwise noce AO. Or they'll be one of the two shitheaps, as their always seems to be one house that is in disrepair in every area. And yes, once they become accustomed to getting everything for free they believe they are entitled to it. Imagine, being entitled to the fruits of other peoples work by the simple basis of ones existence. Perhaps they should make them work, and have their benes based upon their productivity. have the better ones watch the kids (or pay to have real day care people do it) and put Momma and Poppa welfare punk to work. The folks who need welfare will feel better about themselves and the people who are thriftless would not get money. unfortunately it si not a fair, just, or Constitutional system. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:23:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By Garand Shooter: Hey Lib, sorry I didn't explain that far lib comment about Claire Wolfe in the other thread. I figure if there can be folks to the far right and left, why not far-lib? I define far lib as those who want to go even below the minimum level of government set forth in the constitution, some even want to abolish the entire fed gov. I am a libertarian, but not a far-lib by that definition. why not just call "far-libs" true anarchs? a hippie friend of mine is a true anarch and we debate often. personally i think he's just playing "devils advocate". either that or i just cant fathom it. minimum level of evil lib |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:34:28 PM EDT
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When the 'Have nots' are more numerous than the 'Haves' or when the folks who receive some sort of federal assistance outnumber those who do not, that will be when the SHTF.
Eric The(AndWe'reAlmostThereNOW)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 2:03:09 PM EDT
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Would like know where is the father(s) and is he's paying child support or not. And why did she had so many kids if she can not support them. I would give my right nut for a child of my own. I have a mother-out-law that is like this girl(she is not a woman). And why, we, the people of this nation is taking this. A helping hand is one thing but a hand out is another. I have never ask for a hand out or a hand up when I was in need, I guess my pride was to big to ask for it. Just my .02 worth.
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Posted: 7/26/2001 2:23:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Welcome to Socialism. This is just another reason never to vote for the Dems. I know there are probably quite a few women out there with 3-4 kids, who through no fault of their own got stuck with a deadbeat husband and are now paying the price. But I also know there are quite a few able bodied single men and women getting section 8 benefits, because there are many of them living in apartments not very far from where I live. So, what do you do? Do you make these women work, in which case we pay for day care? What is the solution? Rule #1 should be - If you are female, and apply for ANY Government aide, you should be pumped so full of Norplant that your eyes bug out. The first time you miss your scheduled appointment to be "pumped up" with your second dose, you are automatically cut off. End of story, your benefits are now history. Flame on. Call me a right wing sexist pig, but that's how it should be. I'm sick of going to work 10 hours every day so that crack smoking trash can live in a section 8 apartment with subsidized utilities and get food stamps for their 3 kids with different fathers while they sit around and whine about being poor while watching Oprah. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 2:33:47 PM EDT
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GS, funny you should mention it. I stumbled into this site just yesterday:
[url]http://www.ptclub.com[/url] It's offshore banking. If you do this, its considered tax avoidance, not tax evasion. Also a good way to ensure financial confidentiality. [smoke] |
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