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Posted: 7/20/2001 8:30:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:36:42 AM EDT
Last night on the news I saw protesters at their "base of operations" donning home made riot-body armor. Just in case of altercations with the police. I thought that if you protested peacfully then you shouldnt need body armor. just my .02
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:00:09 AM EDT
I saw a great story on 60 Minutes last year. One of the reporters was interviewing a group of vegan anarchist that had prostested in Seatle. By defenition this group is opposed to any form of government. How long do you think that group would last if there was no one, no state local or federal government, around to prevent some less friendly group from having their way with them? Bear in mind the largest member of this vegan clan probably only weighted 110 lbs. I am not a supporter of a incredible large controlling government, but we need some basic minimums to remain civilized.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:24:27 AM EDT
Don't believe these anarchy now types aren't organized: check out this link [url]www.ruckus.org[/url] It's a training camp for "non-violent" protesters. The only problem is that, like the famous "School of the Americas," the school doesn't have any control over the actions of the students once they leave the school with their new knowledge. FMCDH Semper Fidelis Jarhead out.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:32:58 AM EDT
People, you better recognize these protestors, you better see what works for them, you better learn their methods, thats going to be us in 10 years. Maybe sooner. It won't start as a shooting war fellas, we are going to try to get our point across the same way these people are.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 9:59:14 AM EDT
most of the so called Anarchists dont even know what anarchy means they think anarchy is just a excuse to blow up sh*t and be general a holes anarchy is a total system of TRUE self goverment. in theory it sounds great but people being the morons some of them tend to be cant handle that kind of responsiblity thats why TRUE anarchy isnt possible
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:01:39 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:31:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DVD Tracker: Something to be said for non-lethal rounds. Two head taps in response for thrown fire extinguisher doesn't seem quite right.
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except that if the thrown extinguisher had hit some one it could have killed them. its a heavy object with force behind it.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:32:00 AM EDT
The long and short of it....Throw a fire exstinguisher at ME and see if I only shoot you twice.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:41:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 10:43:39 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
Yep, you can quite clearly see tyre tracks across his t-shirt. Boy those Carabineri get really get pissed... This puzzles me too. Gun control is part of the globalist agenda, yet I dont like the people who are out there rioting and protesting against them. I cant decide, which if any to support. I cant even feel sorry for this kid, best I can muster is "what a stupid waste, idiot". For some reason this feels like a suicide, not a homocide...
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:48:10 AM EDT
hey if someone attacked me with a fire extingusher id shoot him to. and i would be justified (assualt with a deadly weopon
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 11:15:09 AM EDT
This is gonna be US? I don't think so. I ain't about to leave my den/warren/foxhole/cabin in the event of this kind of civil unrest! This is what the [b]non-gunowners[/b] are going to be doing ([u]if[/u] they do anything at all). The powers that be can come do a Waco number on me and several thousand more just like me. Who knows, maybe we're here to buy you youngsters a little time! I'm too old to be dragging my sh|t all over the damn creation! Don't wait for marching orders, just ride to the sound of the gunfire! Eric The(ListeningForTheLastTrump-HereOrThere)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 11:26:59 AM EDT
GW cozing up to Tony (The 3rd Way 4th Reich) Blair called these guys left wing anti-globalists...seems to me this was a good object lesson to all anti globalists.... DK-Prof if it was a shark laying there ...you would have been real upset no?:)
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 11:32:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:12:57 PM EDT
Looks like another minimum wage job just opened up.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:16:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:19:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:38:24 PM EDT
Italy has at least a dozen different varieties of LEOs it seems. The Carabineri are almost a military force. They ride around in squads with automatic rifles and military-type uniforms. Closest comparison here is the military police. Not exactly the types who have been trained for dealing with rioting civilians. I wouldn't have pushed them.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 12:43:42 PM EDT
NPR just reported that he was trying to break the window of the van when someone inside shot him. Sounds like it may have been justified. Hielo, I am not sure I would hold these guys up as an example of how supporters of the second amendment should oppose the anti-gun crowd. A lot of people consider them to be extremist freaks and they don't seem to be gathering the support of the general public. I think the best thing that gun owners can do is just be responsible gun owners and try to get others interested in shooting sports.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 1:10:06 PM EDT
Amidst the black and red flag waving idiots exists a group of people concerned with the effects of globalization. This is the salient issue, although it seems to get lost as the media tends to focus solely on the flag waving idiots. But you have to ask yourself: how will globalization affect my life? The UN and one-world types are, of course, for globalization as it increases their power base. The multinational corporations want it because it would set up a system if international law as to how they do business. For instance, they desire the ability to conduct business under one set of environmental rules. No longer would they have to abide by the host nation’s laws. If the international law states it’s okay to emit 100 ppm. of dioxin into the local river, than that rule applies to all nations in which the multinational has plants. They also desire a common set of labor laws. The ability to operate under one set of rules no matter where the plant is located would for the most part, make your local union obsolete. I’m not a union man, never have been, but I do see the need for them. They would argue that the ability to trade freely, without barriers of any kind, is a proven method for bringing rogue nations into the international community. They tout this policy of “engagement” as being the correct thing to do. It’s obviously worked quite well with China, right? In any case, the bottom line is they want the ability to treat employees as commodities and the right to enter the market of their choice free of trade barriers. Now ask yourself: how does this make your life better?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 1:14:36 PM EDT
How does globalization make my life better? 1) Cheaper goods 2) better, cheaper transportation and communication anywhere in the world 3) More jobs, growing economy
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 2:13:53 PM EDT
Hielo , You are right on target with your comment. I also think that before this "gun control" issue is settled we will be in the streets. Like all movements, we will start with protest much like what we are seeing in response to this so called "new world order". To those that think it will bring more to us (jobs , cheaper products ,etc.) , do not be surprised when the standard of living in the USA is much the same as Mexico , Vietnam , etc, etc. It will take many years for this to happen but if we keep shipping both our jobs and our tech overseas it is only a matter of time. We are living today in the "best of times" that this country will EVER see if we do not wake up!!!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 2:15:16 PM EDT
why are "anarchists" against free trade? if there is no government, then how could you impose rules on free trade? maybe i'm weird, but in the picture of the protestor it looks like a blood painted AK-74 to the left of him. okay i'm weird. anarchy as a verb, or anarchy as a noun
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 2:29:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 2:30:31 PM EDT by Imbroglio]
Another pic of the dead guy from an idependent Italian news website. [img]italy.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/metafiles/72887a_b.jpg[/img] "I found this photo that clearly shows that the young man today was shot between the eyes. Look at the entry wound about 5 cm above the nose. That is a sharp shot to come from a carabinieri who says that it was self defense." There are unconfirmed reports that the remainder of the summit has been cancelled as the protesters have broken through the police lines and are attempting to storm the building.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 2:40:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Para069: To those that think it will bring more to us (jobs , cheaper products ,etc.) , do not be surprised when the standard of living in the USA is much the same as Mexico , Vietnam , etc, etc. It will take many years for this to happen but if we keep shipping both our jobs and our tech overseas it is only a matter of time. We are living today in the "best of times" that this country will EVER see if we do not wake up!!!
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I would bet everything I own that you are wrong. I feel really strongly about free trade and open markets. I would be 100% for open immigration too, if we could get said immigrants and other minorities to agree to do away with welfare programs, affirmative action, the culture of victimization, and racial politics.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 2:57:27 PM EDT
It's interesting to speculate on why the anarchists get the people out for their protests. For the most part I think it's just because rioting is fun. you get to act like an assh0le, throw stuff, and maybe bust a few heads. It's a soccer riot with a thin veneer of politics. Take away the rioting and they'd probably get the usual turnout of two dozen faithful followers.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 3:05:19 PM EDT
Here is a picture of the incident, you can clearly see the Carabieneri training him from the vehicle with his Beretta, no video though one can´t tell if he shot him or was he caught under the vehicle when it reversed. [img]http://images.indymedia.org/imc/italy/sequence.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 3:06:43 PM EDT
I agree with the Prof!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 3:10:07 PM EDT
Post by the beekeeper1 -
Just a little suggestion: defending ground is a baaaaad idea. You are too valuable to be roasted alive.
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I know you're right (Remember the Alamo?), but if there's enough of me-types, you calvary guys should be able to get around behind 'em. Right? Besides which I'll be on property that's been in the Hun Family since 1885. I grew up there, I'm not about to let a bunch of cityslickers get the drop on me, too easily. No neighbors for 10 miles or so, one road leads in, but several unmarked roads lead out [b]if[/b] you know where they are. Eric The(I'll'Sell'MyRealEstateRealExpensively)Hun­[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 3:11:56 PM EDT
Yes, IF you can´t take the heat, GET THE F*** OUT OF THE KITCHEN. Should have stayed home. People have the right to protest and march but when it changes into senseless violence from them, F*** you and the horse you rode in. Don´t go lugging bricks and other stuff around, might end up like this fella here.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 3:29:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 4:55:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:58:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DVD Tracker: After seeing the sequence photos, I'd agree that it was self defense. Think Phil got it right - with all the rioting going on, they had no idea what this guy was about to throw into the vehicle. As far as backing over the guy, look where the vehicle is - stuck up against a wall. My guess is that when the driver heard the shots, he rammed it into reverse (or he was already going to do that) and took off. Probably wouldn't have even noticed the guy behind them with everything going on. Some non-lethal rounds and a little more discretion might have kept it from escalating to this point though.
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Non-lethal rounds are what leads to this kind of crap on the part of these rioters and looters. They figure they can go out and raise hell and the worse that can happen is they get stung by a rubber bullet. That is probably what this fool thought and he guessed wrong. OOPS. Screw'em. Their actions lead to their own destruction. They have gotten away with injuring people who have nothing to do with the entire thing, plus they have gotten away with destoying private property of people who aren't involved either way. So, screw'em. I think they should declare open season on the jerks, especially if they have a molotov cocktail in their hand. In that sequence of pictures, the vehicle appears to be under attack from at least two directions with a wall in front of them. All three of the punks deserved to be taken out. I think violence should be met with twice the violence.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 5:59:37 PM EDT
Nope, no sign that anyone has gotten close to where the G8 is being held. They CANT get to where most of the leaders are staying, on a cruse ship in the middle of the harbor. All except GW who is staying at a hotel in town. Does he know something the others dont, or does he just not like them that much?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 6:32:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Waldo:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I don't know if it's because I'm getting old and grouchy or if it's because I'm right - but I just can't feel bad for a protester who was killed in rioting in Genoa at the G8 summit. Demonstrating is fine, and marching is a good thing - but when your only purpose in showing up is throwing petrol bombs and rocks at the police and destoying property, then you deserve what you get.
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You going to feel that way when they come to take our guns and kill us too? Protesting is a right in this country, It's what the US is all about, doesn't matter if you happen to agree with the reason. The constitution demands that we do the right thing. Remember the Bonus Marchers, remember Kent State, any difference from China and Tianamen(sp?) Square? (sorry about my spelling) Flame away, I can take it ;)
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Protesting is one thing, rioting is another! Even CNN said that the people involved in this incident weren't there to protest, but were there to seek confrontation with the police. Look what it got them. Look at the pictures at the top of page 2. These assholes are attacking the police and this one got what he deserved. Kent State and Tianemen Square were peaceful protests, this is not and your trying to compare those incidents to these anarchists clowns is disgraceful.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:52:49 PM EDT
Fire Extinguisher against Firearm? This guy was to stupid to live.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 7:57:52 PM EDT
I think he's just saying to protest with ineffective and easily ignored means. [url]www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/alamance/alamanc.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:05:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By libertarian: why are "anarchists" against free trade? if there is no government, then how could you impose rules on free trade? maybe i'm weird, but in the picture of the protestor it looks like a blood painted AK-74 to the left of him. okay i'm weird. anarchy as a verb, or anarchy as a noun
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Hey!, When I first saw the picture on the news of him lying there. I thought the blood looked like an AK too man. Thats just the first thing that came to mind. Maybe im just weird too man!?!?!? :)~
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:07:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2001 8:05:42 PM EDT by Who_Me]
That doesn't look like a fire extinguisher to me. AND.......look at the color of the shirt the guy is wearing lying on the ground vs. the color of the shirt the guy with the "fire extinguisher" is wearing.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:15:50 PM EDT
I bet there is downloadable video of this somewhere on the internet already. I got some videos from the balkans and kosovo. This stuff might make some people vomit. I download it because im curious I guess. Like this one shows a chechnian solder(or terrorist)take a live prisoner blindfolded and pushes him on the ground, steps on his head and takes a knife and cuts his head clean off. Another one shows terrorists with a hostage making a ransom video. They cut the guys finger off and he doesnt even make a sound. Anybody got any videos like that or know where they can be found? Hope you guys dont think im sick or something. I figure its reality and Id rather know about it than be oblivious to it. later
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:19:02 PM EDT
Through a fire Extingushier at a COP car, be prepared to DIE!!!!
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:26:37 PM EDT
Why the need to back up over him after he was already shot in the head.
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 8:50:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JBR: Why the need to back up over him after he was already shot in the head.
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Look at that crowd- you think they were going to get out and move his dead ass with all those people there? Put yourself in their place for cryin out loud...
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:29:04 PM EDT
Here would be a good place to point out that when similar protests happened in Seattle, no one got shot. In the country that has more firearms in private hands than any other in the world. Nor did anything get blown up. Do ya think there just [i]might[/i] be a connection there?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:43:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 10:51:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Here would be a good place to point out that when similar protests happened in Seattle, no one got shot. In the country that has more firearms in private hands than any other in the world. Nor did anything get blown up. Do ya think there just [i]might[/i] be a connection there?
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I think part of the difference is that when people in Europe (especially countries with big soccer traditions) riot, they're much more serious about it than in the U.S. I remember living in Europe after the Heysel soccer incident, where British soccer fans (Liverpool) essentially killed about 30 italian fans at a soccer game. When fights broke out in the stands at international games after that, British fans would start chanting "Heysel, Heysel" - hoping to repeat their feat. When people like that riot - and are actually organized instead of just drunk - that is a whole different ballgame that disaffected yuppies in Seattle who want to brag to their coffeehous friends that they threw a small rock at "the pigs" or broke a window of a McDonalds.
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Why is it that they will do such a thing and Americans wont? Is it because you can still legally shoot somebody over here if they tried that? So Americans know only to go "so far" just because in the back of their heads they remember that the people they are attacking just MIGHT be armed?
Link Posted: 7/20/2001 11:42:34 PM EDT
Anyone else notice inconsistencies in the pics? Fire extinguisher guy- white tank top and gray pants. Guy on the ground- black shirt over white shirt, dark blue pants.
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 12:11:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2001 12:16:11 AM EDT by Getsome]
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Anyone else notice inconsistencies in the pics? Fire extinguisher guy- white tank top and gray pants. Guy on the ground- black shirt over white shirt, dark blue pants.
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In the sequence of pics he had a grey/black shirt around his waist that was moved to cover him up. You actually see the grey side of the shirt in the photo. He must have looked cold and they were just trying to warm him up. Those Foreigners are so damned considerate!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 7:44:35 PM EDT
I feel bad. It didn't have to happen that way. That cop wasn't in a kill or be killed situation. If he felt he needed to shoot someone, why not shoot the guy with the wood 2x6. You can plainly see that, can't you? Also, you know the first thing I would do is pull my vehicle up against a concrete barrier. Now, without any means of escape, I must engage the protesters and even shoot one in the head. Good Job! Well done! Give that guy a promotion!
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 7:53:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DVD Tracker:
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20010720/mdf26681.jpg[/img]
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I know it sounds grisley but am I the only one that sees the druganov rifle shape in the blood? Strange "ink blot" thing going on....
Link Posted: 7/21/2001 8:01:42 PM EDT
In the heat of the moment, the LEs in the jeep have no idea what the guy is throwing at them(fire exthinguisher). I would have thought it may have been some kind of propane bomb. And if it was, it would have taken them out completely. Nonlethal rounds (rubber or wood projectiles)at the range that the rioter got shot would have probably produced the same kind of results. The rioters have to realize that if you play with fire sooner or later you're going to get burned.
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