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Posted: 9/5/2005 6:26:25 AM EDT

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Make with the link AKwildcard!

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:31:21 AM EDT

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Posted: 9/5/2005 6:32:33 AM EDT

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Posted: 9/5/2005 6:33:55 AM EDT

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One more thing, you don't see elected Democrat politicians trying to make political hay with this. All you see is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the locals trying to pin the blame. Wonder why? There are elected democrats that act like rabid dogs anytime they think they can pin somthing on the President, but they are laying low.

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:36:47 AM EDT

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Posted: 9/5/2005 6:38:13 AM EDT

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I've been avoiding the news because I'm sick of the constant reporter-induced hysteria. At what point did the City of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana start busing people out of the danger zone?

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:38:25 AM EDT

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You know what?

If there's a guy lying on the floor still alive but bleeding profusely, do you ask who stabbed him? or do you stop the bleeding?

There will be plenty of time for blamelaying after the rescues are over and things settle down.

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:38:58 AM EDT

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Quoted:
One more thing, you don't see elected Democrat politicians trying to make political hay with this. All you see is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the locals trying to pin the blame. Wonder why? There are elected democrats that act like rabid dogs anytime they think they can pin somthing on the President, but they are laying low.

yeah I'd noticed that as well.

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:41:35 AM EDT

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One more thing, you don't see elected Democrat politicians trying to make political hay with this.

Apparently you weren't watching C-SPAN when the Congressional Black Caucus complained about the use of the word refugee, or weren't watching when one of the CBC members said that the reason that aid was slow going into the disaster areas was because of racism on CNN with that idiot Wolf Blitzer.

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:41:56 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:46:00 AM EDT

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More searching turned up this:

www.newshounds.us/2005/09/04/cavuto_guests_absolve_bush_of_all_blame_claim_his_advisors_tell_him_what_to_do.php

CAVUTO: Well, Jim Rogers, you've been arguing as someone from this area that the levees have always been a problem and always been a corrupt source of issue for politicians there.

ROGERS: Neil. Neil. None of this had to happen. Most of this did not have to happen. Those levees have been there - the Levee Board in New Orleans in the past ten years has bought a casino, a private marina, a private plane. They have several hundred million dollars invested with their friends but they have not taken care of the levees. If somebody had protected those levees, New Orleans would not have flooded, so this is caused by local politicians and they should all resign. They're screaming at the President. They should be resigning. They brought it on themselves.

I saw that interview

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:52:16 AM EDT

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Vulcan94

Vulcan, I just noticed your sig line. PLEASE tell me that is a joke, because I cannot believe any homo sapiens actually would write something like that.

No Joke! The guy who wrote the pro-gun editorial I lifted it from said the a student of his used it in a pro gun control paper he wrote for a class assignment.

Vulcan94

Posted: 9/5/2005 6:53:48 AM EDT

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Quoted:
You know what?

If there's a guy lying on the floor still alive but bleeding profusely, do you ask who stabbed him? or do you stop the bleeding?

There will be plenty of time for blamelaying after the rescues are over and things settle down.

Yes, and I agree the GOVERNMENT should be concentrating on helping the needy. However we, as simply concerned citizens, are free to speculate without doing any harm.

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:17:09 AM EDT

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AKWildcard:

This thread is worthless without a link!

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:18:26 AM EDT

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Tag.

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:35:28 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:42:58 AM EDT

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us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.flpc21109012015.hurricane_katrina_flpc211.jpg?x=380&y=235&sig=NbUvEfVIaferkxoZTiys0Q--

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I've been avoiding the news because I'm sick of the constant reporter-induced hysteria. At what point did the City of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana start busing people out of the danger zone?

That picture, the mayor's ~~detox~~ rant, the NO PD chief ~~seeing his criminal enterprise down the tubes~~ lose self control....................says it all.

Someone with photoshop skills, please take that picture, photoshop it with "this is the mayor's response", and put a CoastGuard NO rescue picture below with "this is the president's response".

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:48:52 AM EDT

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I trust someone we all know well will be along soon with a

animation...

Posted: 9/5/2005 7:57:40 AM EDT

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Posted: 9/5/2005 8:07:45 AM EDT

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Tag....

The report tends to make sense. Historically, states don't like fed intervention to their affairs...unless states request it...especially the Southern states...Just my observation.

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:15:10 AM EDT

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Not long ago a Navy Admiral was being interviewed on Fox and he said - specifically referring to allegations that the government hadn't mobilized aid quickly enough - that the Navy had ships on the way something like FIVE DAYS ahead of Katrina's landfall. Also when asked why the aid, once mobilized, didn't reach people until days after, the Admiral said something to the effect of "If anyone has any better ideas on how to get aid to people in the aftermath of a hurricane than we have, I'm all ears"... And - I heard this in another Arfcom thread but have no backup - I have read that Bush called the governor of Louisiana to ask her to declare LA a disaster area before Katrina hit so they could begin mobilizing aid.

The governor of Louisiana has blood on her hands. The mayor of New Orleans does as well. Disaster plans go from the bottom up (as I've learned over the past few days) and it makes total sense: How can the FEDERAL government have disaster plans for every contingency, for every area in every state of the union? That's got to be up to the local folks who LIVE in the area - and that takes the blame for this idiocy right down to the Democrat's doorsteps. Heads SHOULD roll for this regardless of who is in charge - but to blame Bush for this? Lunacy.

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:19:21 AM EDT

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Quoted:
You know what?

If there's a guy lying on the floor still alive but bleeding profusely, do you ask who stabbed him? or do you stop the bleeding?

There will be plenty of time for blamelaying after the rescues are over and things settle down.

Tell that to the DEMS! They started the blame game bullshit.

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:21:04 AM EDT

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Sounds plausible, but it seem too "good" to be true...

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:26:33 AM EDT

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another link would be good...

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:32:39 AM EDT

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Quoted:
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I've been avoiding the news because I'm sick of the constant reporter-induced hysteria. At what point did the City of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana start busing people out of the danger zone?

You have it down to the basid question.

Posted: 9/5/2005 8:48:02 AM EDT

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Vulcan94

Vulcan, I just noticed your sig line. PLEASE tell me that is a joke, because I cannot believe any homo sapiens actually would write something like that.

I think it's used like the one I use from time to time......

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), on CBS' 60 Minutes-"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."

Posted: 9/5/2005 9:12:40 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 9/5/2005 11:36:08 AM EDT

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tag for link

Posted: 9/5/2005 11:45:51 AM EDT

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One more thing, you don't see elected Democrat politicians trying to make political hay with this.

Apparently you weren't watching C-SPAN when the Congressional Black Caucus complained about the use of the word refugee, or weren't watching when one of the CBC members said that the reason that aid was slow going into the disaster areas was because of racism on CNN with that idiot Wolf Blitzer.

The CBC's credibility is right up there with Jesse Jackson. You don't see the "name" Dems doing the crying.

Posted: 9/5/2005 11:47:00 AM EDT

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Did you see how calm (soon to be gone) Mayor Nagin was after talking to Bush? I kind of wonder what he told him. Something along the lines of "You keep bitching in public and your head is on the chopping block first, be part of the solution, not part of the problem". You know Nagin and Blanco have to know a SITYS is coming.

Posted: 9/6/2005 6:14:27 AM EDT

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I really want to use this on some lib friends but I still need a link- anyone?

Posted: 9/6/2005 6:33:56 AM EDT

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tagged

Posted: 9/6/2005 6:37:40 AM EDT

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We need a link for this. Let's make it happen!

This is explosive stuff if it's true.

Posted: 9/6/2005 6:43:57 AM EDT

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This would make demorats look bad. Any news stories will be burried on page A21.

Posted: 9/6/2005 6:46:24 AM EDT

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Found a lefty site that is already playing this down.

Seems that Blanco did declare her state under a "state of emergency" on August 26 according to This dcoument. Whether its the real deal or not hard to tell. Also, going along with Bush's timeline it could be true that Blanco actually did this after Bush pressured her but from this left website:

From http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012121.html

The Washington Post reports on the behind-the-scenes power grab Bush tried to pull on LA. Governor Kathleen Blanco in an attempt to shift the blame for New Orleans:

Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Democratic Daily reports that Kathleen Blanco requested emergency aid from Bush on Sunday, August 26. Her letter is here (pdf.) DD writes:

According to the WaPo, “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” That’s rather curious because the letter from Governor Blanco to President Bush clearly states that she declared a State of Emergency on August 26, 2005. ...And a quick visit to Gov.Louisiana.gov would have turned up the link to this: STATE OF EMERGENCY - HURRICANE KATRINA (pdf) - August 26, 2005. The State of Emergency Order clearly states that “The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.”

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:01:17 AM EDT

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Oh yeah, found this at FreeRepublic.com, thought it was pretty damn disturbing because so many are blaming Bush when many could have been saved if the stupid mayor would have sobered up long enought to implement thier own evac plans:

Busses now underwater due to flooding:

Distance between where the now flooded busses are and where the city had residents evacuate to before the hurricane even hit:

Sad, fucking sad. But its all Bush's fault!!!!!!!!

Edited to add:

From NO Office of Emergency Preparedness:

Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific life saving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed...

Linky to entire non-implemented plan

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:08:59 AM EDT

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Quoted:
Found a lefty site that is already playing this down.

Seems that Blanco did declare her state under a "state of emergency" on August 26 according to This dcoument. Whether its the real deal or not hard to tell. Also, going along with Bush's timeline it could be true that Blanco actually did this after Bush pressured her but from this left website:

From http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012121.html

The Washington Post reports on the behind-the-scenes power grab Bush tried to pull on LA. Governor Kathleen Blanco in an attempt to shift the blame for New Orleans:

Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Democratic Daily reports that Kathleen Blanco requested emergency aid from Bush on Sunday, August 26. Her letter is here (pdf.) DD writes:

According to the WaPo, “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” That’s rather curious because the letter from Governor Blanco to President Bush clearly states that she declared a State of Emergency on August 26, 2005. ...And a quick visit to Gov.Louisiana.gov would have turned up the link to this: STATE OF EMERGENCY - HURRICANE KATRINA (pdf) - August 26, 2005. The State of Emergency Order clearly states that “The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.”

All that is intended to do is a statewide EBS activation. Much like local areas activate here in Texas for tornadoes. That document pretty much Hangs the the Gov. She activated the emergency plan for the state only. As of then she had not requested/accepted Federal help. just my $.02

edit for spelling.

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:09:37 AM EDT

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145x40=5800. They would have had to make alot of trips to get them out. I doubt all of them would have gone anyway. Either way, Bush was going to get an earfull of crap over this.

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:11:32 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:21:50 AM EDT

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If this is true (sounds plausible), does it REALLY surprise anyone? Standard "teat-sucking" liberal procedure is to fuck up, and then blame ~~someone else~~ a Republican.

I'm sure the news media will absolutely disregard any of this.

Fixed it for ya.

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:23:02 AM EDT

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Some of the smart ones were evacuating pre-hurricane Friday night, I10 was bumper to bumper all night long and Saturday. Still most of those that stayed in NO, stayed by their own free will and now want to blame the gubment. (Hey, 3 Chinooks flying NW overhead now.) They thought that they could weather out a Cat 5 storm, unbelievable. Some are wanting to play it both ways since they weren't smart enough to prep for it or got caught in a bind from it.

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:27:32 AM EDT

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Just so everyone understands:

It is FACT that Red Cross was not allowed to enter NOLA for days by local, state and LNG authorities due to safety concerns.

It is FACT that only 50% of LNG was activated prior to Katrina strike - why?

It is a FACT that NOLA school buses were not used for evac - why?

It is a FACT that public transportation was not used for evac - why?

It is a FACT that mandatory evac was not called until 10:00am Sunday - why?

It is a FACT that Bush named the area a disaster area Friday before landfall - why?

It is a FACT that the NHC had to prompt the mayor to take action after sitting on his thumbs for 24hrs. why?

It is a FACT that armed thugs prevented rescue operations from happening - why?

It is a FACT that FEMA is an assistance agency subject to needs of local first responders, they are not law enforcement.

Story from August 28, 2005 about Hurrican Katrina bearing down on New Orleans. Notice that Bush, at his ranch supposedly "vacationing" is urging people to evacuate. The article does state that the Mayor of NO said it first but this is after being pressured by Bush and others behind the scense and for days before! Interesting article to read after seeing the nightmare unfold last week:

www.wdsu.com/weather/4905619/detail.html

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:42:21 AM EDT

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Even more articles I am finding on this topic:

POWER STRUGGLE
Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, a democrat.. Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, according meddia reports.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," one report said.

Stop right there! How, in God's name, is taking control of the situation making it easier to blame on someone else? Seriously. The fed .gov asks two or three days before the hurricane hits to take over evacuations, the national guard, etc. and they are told no. Then the SHTF and it all goes to hell. So since the local and state governments stayed in control and didn't do a good job it makes it easier to blame Bush? Wouldn't they have wanted Bush in control so if it went to shit they could easily point the finger at him and say "he said he'd hanlde it and look what happened?" Even though the state and local officials stayed in control Bush is still getting blamed. WTF?

Posted: 9/6/2005 7:44:56 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 9/6/2005 8:49:13 AM EDT

[#45]

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145x40=5800. They would have had to make alot of trips to get them out. I doubt all of them would have gone anyway. Either way, Bush was going to get an earfull of crap over this.

More BULLSHIT

The president and FEMA begged the Governor of LA and Mayor of NO to evacuate the city. But the Governor of LA and Mayor of NO never executed THEIR evacuation plan and only paid lip service to the evacuation.

It was reported yesterday the State and City had 2000 buses available in the local area to do an evacuation

Even assuming the low number of 40 per bus:

40 x 2000=80,000

Now considering they had 3 day notice and assuming a 5 hour trip to Baton Rouge and just 2 trips a day the State of LA could have evacuated 480,000 people

Meaning the State of LA if they had tried had plenty of assets and warning enough to get the people out of that city.

Posted: 9/6/2005 9:20:39 AM EDT

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Dude the mayor was out partying, and the governor was worried about the party line. Sorry but Bush offered assistance early and the governor didn't want the type of assistance he offered. So, when the SHTF and it all went down the governor and mayor looked like idiots. Bush came in when he was legally allowed to dedicate assets to the situation.