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Looter!!! I posted that hours ago!
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In this case you don't have to worry about that, you and your supplies would stay nicely put- with 10 feet of water over the roof of your house... Floods, and also fires, do not allow for a bunker mentality. If there was no flood the police would just leave you alone, your one less mouth that they have to feed. But should they let the supplies that you kept that you had to abandon to avoid drowning (in this case) or burning (a more likely situation out here where I live) and couldn't take with you due to lack of time or vehicle space be destroyed when there are going to be refugees to take care of- and especially THIS large a number of refugees? Odds are though they wouldn't have the time to even BOTHER with hunting up all the small quantites in peoples homes... But there was nothing in the original article cited about taking thigs from peoples homes, but from stores- stores whos "owner" lives safely in Bentonville AR and does not need the contents of his New Orleans shops to keep his family alive. Even if, for the sake of argument, it was a Mom and Pop operation with the family living over the store... in this case it would still be right for the State to use the supplies because they would be destroyed if left there and the owner and his family are going to be unable to stay behind and live off them. |
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Actually, he's pretty much right. Think about the words... "martial" law. As in, military rule, or rule by warfare... It's the verbal direction (curfews, general orders, and the like) coupled with a physical alternative (military and para-military organizations backing up the controlling authority through the use of military arms). |
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The looting situtaion is bad. CNN Tucker Carlson just showed two female N.O. officers apperently
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I'm curious: are you lying here, or just wrong? The article never mentioned the flood-worthiness of the store that was being emptied under the protection of the NOPD, or the status of its owner. The "supplies" as you call the merchandise in question were being taken not to a "refugee camp" but to the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, one of the most expensive in the city. The Ritz is not being used as a "refugee camp," but is housing only hotel guests, hotel staff and the family members of hotel staff. |
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No, it does NOT always apply. Please illustrate the recourse you have, as a private citizen for the violations, in a martial law scenario. |
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Martial law clarified Tuesday, 9:02 p.m. The state Attorney General's office on Tuesday sought to clarify reports in some media that "martial law' has been declared in parts of storm-ravaged southeast Louisiana, saying no such term exists in Louisiana law. But even though no martial law exists, Gov. Kathleen Blanco's declaration of a state of emergency gives authorities widespread latitude to suspend civil liberties as they try to restore order and bring victims to safety. Under the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act of 1993, the governor and, in some cases, chief parish officials, have the right to commandeer or utilize any private property if necessary to cope with the emergency. Authorities may also suspend any statute related to the conduct of official business, or any rule issued by a state agency, if complying would "prevent, hinder or delay necessary action'' to mitigate the emergency. It also gives authority the right to compel evacuations, suspend alcohol and weapons sales and make provisions for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing. The law gives mayors similar authority, except they do not have the right to commandeer private property or make provisions for emergency housing, according to a background brief prepared by the state Attorney General's office |
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LOL! Yeah... "Some people" |
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We need to do a new t-shirt like the "Shoot, Loot and Scoot" shirts from the LA riots.
Picture the Olympic event symbols): LA Hurricane Triathalon edit: (Sorry, can't get the stick figures to work) Shoot Loot Scoot <shamelessly stolen from the web> When's open season on them? Any bag limit? |
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At the risk of "talking big," are some "clues" for the clueless moderator: (1) The U.S. Constitution is supposed to be our supreme law of the land (although you'd never know this by the behavior of many politicians, judges, and the oath-betraying minions who blindly enforce their edicts). (2) The Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the Constitution, is part of our supreme law of the land and was written specifically to limit the powers of government and protect individual liberty. (3) Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution or the state laws of Louisiana is there any "martial law" provision, let alone one which supercedes the Bill of Rights. What's "easy" is for disingenous, amoral people to concoct excuses for abrogating unalienable individual liberties. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt, 17 November 1783 |
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I like the term TARGETS! There was a thread that degenerated into a LEO bash not to mention supporting the looters saying they needed the food. I'm sorry but when I was watching TV, I saw one guy floating a trash can full of beer along while people in the background were looting a BEst Buy. Hmmmm. |
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If a looter is wearing MARPAT and you hit him with a Maglite does it make a sound? |
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Hey bonehead, it's a natural disaster, not the gov. busting your door down for weapons or your first born. Get a friggin grip and take off the foil hat. |
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I realize that actually believing the Constitution means what it says does make me a "bonehead" to LEOs who make a career out of betraying the document they swore an oath to support and defend. I guess you're not going to cite the "martial law" or "natural disaster" exceptions to the Bill of Rights. What a surprise. Were you wearing a "foil hat" when you wrote you're "an LEO who still believes in the Constitution" at the end of each of your posts? I can live with being called a "bonehead" by a self-evident liar. As far as the "gov. busting your door down for weapons," who are the minions of tyranny who blindly "enforce" overtly unconstitutional anti-gun laws while rationalizing their perfidy? Oh, I remember; it's folks like yourself. |
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Look asshat, you are a troll and there is no other excuse for you. You have gone to every one of my posts spreading your lies and stirring the pot. YOU CLAIM IN ANOTHER OF YOUR PACK OF LIES THE YOU ARE A FEDERAL LEO. If so why are you so quick to bash your own profession. You are a liar and demon of discontent. Away with you little boy. |
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Well this turned into a crapfest. Thanks again guys. I cuss all the time, but really, how hard is it to carry on a conversation without insulting someone and calling them names?
oh... In Before The Lock. (edited to clean it up a bit ) |
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Still waiting for a real reply. Is this how you would respond if a citizen were to correct you on the street? Again, there is no martial law exemption in the bill of rights. Plese show us your justification for allowing .gov to loot. |
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That's nice. Now it'd be even better if you answered my original question. Like I said, nice sidestep. |
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They are not working for free. They will be paid by FEMA. You drive home a few good points there. Here are a few other points for those who don't like what I say. #1 One source for the report on the LEO looting a PC and TV #2 Where in the hell will he/she bring it to use/sell if in fact they did it for personal gain #3 FEMA calls the shots, not local/state any more. #4 Why did the report have no supporting pictures/video or any other report to confirm such actions #5 Anyone taking for gospel what one news report says is narrowing their outlook on real life #6 Wht were there no names, descriptions of uniforms, or any other evidence to support. #7 Why would a LEO be stupid enough to risk loosing their job and going to jail for looting, especialy items that are ruined by water or any other item for that matter. #8 When there are other news items put out by the media, ARFCOM SOP is to dismiss it out of hand because it comes from the liberal media machine who is out to take your guns. Why believe this crap? #9 To answer @8, It's because LEO bashing is a favored past-time here in ARFCOM. #10 This is the internet, why do I even bother |
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Who the heck are you? Stay out of this. Let me see your DL and proof of insurance. Happy now? |
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OK bud, let me try. I just saw, not two minutes ago on NBC's Today show, a segment on the looting. With my own eyes I saw news footage of cops (black women in full uniform) with shopping carts full in stores that were being overrun with looters. The female cops wouldn't let their faces be seen and kept turning away from cameras. This makes my blood boil. |
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This thread is the "Bitch about locking looter threads, thread", not discuss looters or any variation of.
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OK, I'll start my own thread. |
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Thank you sir. Proof is what was needed. OK we now have a second confirmation to this. In light of this I stand by my convictions and say those officers need to be located and brought up on charges. Hiding their faces only confirms they were out for personal gain in their actions and NOT acting under orders. Although there is still rampant LEO bashing here, I can say now that a few bad seeds have just been exposed to the light. Remember folks, this is not the norm for all. Let's hope they are made examples of soon. It also makes my blood boil. If anyone can get a video snip of this and post it we would all be greatful. |
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(1) "Asshat"? "Troll"? Is this what passes for reasoned discourse by a stalwart member of the Florida law enforcement community? (2) At last count, you've got 1,755 posts on this board. I've only responded to a few in the past several hours. Is that what you call "every one" of your posts? I hope you're not that dishonest when you testify in court. (3) The moment you, or anyone else, points out a genuine lie by myself on the Internet will be the first such instance. Would it be too much trouble for you to identify a single lie from my "pack" of them? I've thoughtfully detailed your lies, however, and will continue to do so as long as you persist in posting them. (4) Please tell FBI Assistant Deputy Director Jeffrey Higginbotham, U.S. District Court Chief Judge Lawrence L. Piersol, AUSA Dennis R. Holmes, and BATFE agent Douglas Moore that I was never a Special Agent with the FBI. Please! (5) I suppose I am a source of "discontent" to the likes of you, but a "little boy?" I'm 52 years old, 6'1", and weigh 180 lbs. How many lies does this make for you? I'm really looking forward to reading your DD Form 214 I asked you for in another thread. It will be fascinating to see which of us has more decorations for valor. BTW, I didn't see any "little boys" in my classes at Airborne School, Ranger School or Jumpmaster School. How about you? Would you care to explain why the U.S. Army would recall a "little boy" back to active duty as a Captain of Infantry in 1990 for Operation Desert Shield?
We appear to be in for a long wait.
(1) The "I" in AbnInfanry is capitalized, thank you. (2) Is there any remote possibility of you citing where and when I ever "bashed" "ALL LEOs?" I never suggested most, let alone all, NOPD officers were guilty of looting. You really do have an aversion to the truth, don't you? (3) Only a "few" LEOs break their oath of office? That's a good one. What you lack in veracity you make up for with comic relief and vulgarity. Since every anti-gun law (especially federal ones) is an overt violation of the U.S. Constitution and an abrogation of unalienable individual rights, LEOs who enforce such illegitimate acts consciously violate their sworn oaths. This obviously includes every BATFE agent, not just a "few."
I see your grasp of history is on a par with your respect for the Constitution. Some folks would say it started with the unfair taxation which prompted the Whiskey Rebellion. Surely the illegal income taxes imposed by the Lincoln Administation (which were later struck down by SCOTUS as being unconstitutional) qualifies. Is the term "civil asset forfeiture" familiar to you? In the mid-1990s, Dateline NBC documented the practice of Louisiana LEOs blatantly stealing (excuse me, civil forfeiting) any car they wanted that had out-of-state plates, including planting drugs for "evidence," if necessary. James Bovard and other authors have thoroughly documented such de facto theft in several books on the subject. Then there's FDR's illegal Ponzi scheme called Social Security with its mandatory "contributions." If you ever find your copy of the U.S. Constitution, please cite a provision which authorizes a compulsory retirement scheme, federal spending for public schools, any infringement of the RKBA, etc. I really don't think you want to get me started on the War on Drugs which has done more to gut the Bill of Rights than NFA-34 and GCA-68 combined. BTW, unlike many police, federal agents, judges, and prosecutors, I've never used any illicit drug; not because it's illegal, but because it's irrational (along with drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco).
I have read the "FEMA laws." Along with NFA-34, GCA-68 (which was drafted by Senator Thomas Dodd using an English translation of the Nazi Law on Weapons of March 18, 1938), the Brady Act, Lautenberg Amendment, etc. An obviously illegal statute cannot supercede the U.S. Constitution, our supreme law of the land. All laws whcih are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void. — Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803). No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. — 16A American Jurisprudence 2d § 203 at 90-91 (1998). I realize you and RABIDFOX50 & Company don't believe this, but I can't inject reason and morality into people determined to sacrifice liberty for the illusion of safety.
In the small city in which I live, offhand I can think of several local cops who've lost their jobs for DUI, fleeing the scene of an accident, shoplifting some cigarettes in a supermarket, etc. I'd hate to think what they'd be willing to do for a computer and 27" TV. This excludes the sixteen South Dakota state troopers who admitted stopping former Governor and Congressman Bill Janklow for speeding and reckless driving without giving him a citation. They all confessed to fear over losing their jobs (and pensions). Janklow was later convicted of manslaughter when he barreled through a stop sign and killed a motorcyclist. The poor fellow had to spend 100 whole days in jail for this homicide (but after 3 years the felony will be wiped clean off his record). Drat! Now, I'm bashing politicians who are immune to laws the common riffraff have to obey. |
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You hate LEOs, just admit it.
You press and push and want to get a rant/reaction. I know I am a good LEO (cop is a slang term used by criminals thank you). Anything you me or anyone else says on the internet means nothing. You can't solve the problem because you go against everything and everyone in authority. For a "former" LE to say such things is reason to question your word but again this is the internet. I do my job and do it well. I have been decorated and commended for my actions as a LEO. I uphold the Constitution, just not your version of it. You live in a dream world where only you have the answers. Since you have all the answers Mr Infantry, how do you expect this mess in NO to be cleaned up without all the laws you so hate? You are so dead set against Martial Law, how will YOU maintain order? You are the answer man.......I have a job to do in real life so debate this all you want without me. |
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Yeah, man - ONLY bitching in this thread. No producive discussion allowed. |
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Now you're learning. If we don't have a bitch thread for everyone to work the sand out, people get cranky around here. |
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Well said, Score one for the guy who jumps from the plane. TXL |
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OK - that's a mental image I did NOT need..... |
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"I have read the "FEMA laws." Along with NFA-34, GCA-68 (which was drafted by Senator Thomas Dodd using an English translation of the Nazi Law on Weapons of March 18, 1938), the Brady Act, Lautenberg Amendment, etc. An obviously illegal statute cannot supercede the U.S. Constitution, our supreme law of the land. All laws whcih are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void. — Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803). No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. — 16A American Jurisprudence 2d § 203 at 90-91 (1998). I realize you and RABIDFOX50 & Company don't believe this, but I can't inject reason and morality into people determined to sacrifice liberty for the illusion of safety."
Yeah, well, you can claim the Patriot acts I & II are unconstitutional too, and I wouldn't argue that, or the constitutionality of the FEMA laws. But they exist, and will be enforced whether we like it or not. Local or LA state laws are superceeded by federal FEMA statutes. When the federal troops arrive on the scene, they are the law. You can always try and wow them with your resume, recite some case law statistics, and throw some big names at them, but my guess is, they wont much give a shit. Pretty much like the rest of us. |
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You are the one who stepped sideways when you created scenarios that did not exist. However, I notice that TVs and computers are information and communications devices. Could it be perhaps that they were told to gather them to stock command posts with such devices? Is this even possible within your ever expanding imagination? |
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Any derogatory comments towards ghey, illegal alien islamic JBT looters will be locked (figured that term includes all the protected groups)......Its the nature of the beast......
And if you post ANY comments of real abuses by .gov - you are magically antigovernment - there are no BAD government employees - only GOOD!..............Like the guy I worked with who got kicked out for cocaine use - he was a GOOD boarding officer! I work for .gov - but when someone crosses the line of what is right vs wrong - their ass needs to be hung out to dry! No special rights for ANYONE. My PROBLEM is that people treat certain groups of people here like their is a special "force field" around them. Certain groups are untouchable here - no matter WHAT they do. Thats f##king bullshit. |
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Its true that there have been no reports of yet - of LEO's or NG units going door to door trying to take supplies. Of course, I do know of at least two confirmed reports of NOPD officers blatantly stealing items - ie shopping without payment...............not food, water, or medicine. The NOPD is probably the most corrupt Police Department in America. I challenge anyone to refute that. . . . Go to Google Home Web Images Groups News Froogle Local more » Advanced Search Preferences Web Results 1 - 10 of about 225,000 for new orleans police corruption. (0.07 seconds) Tip: Find maps by searching for a street address with city or zip code News results for new orleans police corruption - View today's top stories |
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Nope, you are correct about that. The two women NOPD were in fact looting. Report was confirmed and one of our posters here saw it on the TV. The two women were trying to hide their faces from the camera. That tells me they are looting and not acting under any order. For that they are criminals and were no longer LEOs as soon as the thought of looting came to their minds. |
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(1) "Hate LEOs?" I have the upmost respect for any LEO who carries out his duties while genuinely adhering to his sworn oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution. I expect to encounter a unicorn or honest politician first, however. We have plenty of LEOs (i.e. the entire BATFE) who, like yourself, piously claim to believe in the Constitution then devote their career to eviscerating it. I also confess to hating FBI sniper/murderer Lon Horiuchi, every BATFE agent, and similar henchmen born a generation too late for the SS or Gestapo. I'm also not unduly fond of looters, whether they wear a badge or not. Or of the numerous LEOs and Police Science/ACJ majors I've observed who've routinely avoided speeding tickets because of their privileged status. (2) My "version" of the Constitution is the one enacted by James Madison & Company. I realize it bears little resemblance to the one used in practice by the BATFE, FBI, DEA, NOPD, and an LEO (not a "cop") somewhere in Florida. I'm sure you have a good reason for failing to point out how my "version" of the Constitution is inexplicably flawed or incorrect. (3) It's all too common for your kind to claim to "uphold the Constitution" then baselessly assert I live in a "dream world" because I expect government employees to adhere to our supreme law of the land. Actually, thanks to politicians, judges, and LEOs like yourself who have an uncanny gift for rationalizing their misdeeds, my "dream world" is more of a nightmare. (4) The deputy marshals who shot 14 year-old Sammy Weaver in the back with automatic weapons were also decorated for their "valor" (even three deputies not present on the scene). The FBI HRT commander who wrote the infamous (and illegal) "shoot on sight" orders at Ruby Ridge was initially promoted until Louis Freeh was compelled to rescind it. (5) Other than your fear of being humiliated, you have no reason to "question" me. I offered to exchange copies of my credentials and DD Form 214 with you without any response. During my last visit to the snakepit of the GD forum a year ago, I offered a $10,000 bet with a staunch neo-con who assiduously avoided military service to prove my previous Army and federal employment. He ran away like a scalded cat, crying to a moderator. (6) The "laws I hate?" Oh, you mean NFA-34, GCA-68, the Brady Act, Lautenberg Amendment, the now-expired AWB. Yes, I hate them, alright. I thought you were the LEO who believed in gun rights? FWIW, I don't hate the laws nearly as much as I do the oath-breaking minions of tyranny who willingly "enforce" such unconstitutional edicts. You know the type. (7) Only criminals use the slang word "cops"? Do tell. I've been around federal, state, and local LEOs all my life. They used the word "cop" all the time. I've heard G.W. Bush use the word and I'm betting you voted for him. Then there's the TV show titled "Cops." Only "criminals" use the word? I don't think so. But I realize you're grasping for some mud to throw at me since you lack reason and empirical evidence to support your position. (8) You also, predictably, neglected to explain why the Bill of Rights must be ignored/superceded/subverted because of a hurricane. Just as you steadfastly refuse to cite your legal authority for disregarding the Constitution you claim to "uphold." I don't see much "order" being maintained by NOPD officers (the ones not out looting) who think as you do (which is virtually all of them). I readily concede, however, that I place liberty ahead of "order." You may add that to the ever-growing list of differences between us.
I bask in your approbation.
In the unlikely event anyone here ever wondered about the mind-set which enabled the Nazi Party to come to power in Germany, and be so popular with German LEOs, Tin_Star and RABIDFOX50 are Exhibits 1 and 2. Unconstitutional laws will only be "enforced" so long as amoral judges and LEOs are willing to place their pension ahead of their duty and sworn oaths and an ignorant, apathetic populace keeps electing duplicitous politicians who have the same regard for the Constitution as I do genital herpes. Which, I regretfully concede, is likely to be forever. When I was a platoon leader and company commander, I disobeyed illegal orders all the time (and was frequently cursed at by superiors and threatened with courts-martial) over matters far more trivial than martial law. Will most uniformed drones obey immoral, illegal orders? Oh, yeah. Especially if there's a pension at risk. You and the "rest of us" "wont much give a shit"? No surprise there. How did the children of the American Revolution sink to such depths of docility and ignorance?
So the uniformed NOPD officers Wobblin-Goblin saw on NBC TV looting in stores and hiding their faces from the camera were just shy and "gathering" goods for their command posts? Right. Thanks for explaining that. BTW, for anyone familiar with the NOPD, it doesn't take much "imagination" to believe NOPD officers with carts full of ... well, stolen merchandise ... are looters and not gatherers of stray communications devices. |
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These threads are very helpful in choosing who to buy from in EE. It seems a lot of you spend time masturbating over your gun collection.
I'd like to avoid buying "crusty" magazines and scopes. |
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Where did you get that idea? The thing we don't allow is the mouth-breathers who quickly go from TWO apparently confirmed criminal-LEOs to the generalized bashing of ALL LEOs. THAT'S fucking (I don't know what f##king is) bullshit. Discuss criminals all you want--just don't expand your net to include the innocent along with the guilty. You will find no one here who disagrees with this, including me--
The problem we routinely have are the idiots who can't seem to confine their comments to those who cross the line. We are not going to babysit threads and deal with the inevitable posts who make general bashes--so the thread gets locked when we find the first one or two. Blame the bashers who are like flies to shit--not us, we're just enforcing the rules of the place. |
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