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Posted: 8/29/2005 5:19:50 PM EDT
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As you can tell, the members here at ARFCom have a pretty good handle on why poor people are fat. In fact, even the Academics understand the problem pretty well. It's not a lack of good food - these people don't buy good food even when it's available. It's not the cost of good food - nutritious food is actually cheaper than processed junk food.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 5:30:44 PM EDT
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I suck at cooking , and everybody delivers here. Ive gained a shocking amount of weight , since I quit playing football and started living on King buffet, subway, snackables, and juicy juice.
 Mesa need to run allot.  and a whole lot of  didn't help , man everybody was tired of dragging me off their front steps.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 7:43:33 PM EDT
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NO you can feed a family very cheaply on starches and breads. Throw in just a LITTLE inactivity and you get fat kids. You can feed 5 people for a WEEK on $10 worth of potatoes, rice, beans, and bread. Cheap foods are high carb/high calorie foods… most vegetables and fruit are relatively very expensive compared to potatoes, rice, beans, and bread. The ignorance, stupidity, and outright blind bigotry is of outstanding magnitude in this thread. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:33:29 PM EDT
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Poor people can't afford liposuction.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:41:01 PM EDT
[#5]
poor=lazy+stupid
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:46:23 PM EDT
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In this part of the country those same poor people sure can afford large and gawdy tattoos.
 Aren't they fairly expensive? 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:51:55 PM EDT
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No kidding. I tell people abou the Ol' Country Buffet from when I lived in Wisconsin. One trip to the OCB puts to rest the myth that the morbidly obese have glandular issues. Ah, no....it's the 4th trip to the fried chicken troth and the half dozen sticky buns you stuck in your purse. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:52:29 PM EDT
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$10 buys a lot of Bonton potato chips and smokes for mom. The choice of poor folks in NYC.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:53:01 PM EDT
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+1 For the amount it costs me to order 30 boneless wings from the take out place, I can buy bread, meat, cheese, and mustard. The wings feed me for a night, and maybe a light breakfast. The deli meat and bread will last a week or more of lunches. It is the same reason the guys I work with, who have financial troubles drive much nicer cars then I do. Poor money managing skills and an inability to see the big picture, as well as poor decision making skills. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:54:11 PM EDT
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And deal with the self-imposed misery by over-consumption. Now why do poor people smell like sour milk? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:55:01 PM EDT
[#11]
What's the mystery. For $10 you can buy 7000 calories of Doritos and 1500 calores of coke.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:55:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:57:25 PM EDT
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This entire thread is the definition of "asshats".
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:02:31 PM EDT
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You are not poor by my measure unless you eat bear. But venison and elk? Two of the FINEST meats for the plate. My mom grew up on venison that was taken regardless of the season. It was either keep the deer under control or lose major portions of the wheat crop. And she is still a svelte 125 pounds! And ever since I was a young one, it was venison in the fall and winter, beef in the spring and summer. Age 8 meant you were old enough to hunt, process the deer, make sausage & jerky. You get the picture. I even got good at tanning hides. Damn that is work but worth it. Now I wonder if Creedmore will sew me a hardback shooting jacket with some of my thicker tanned hides? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:04:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Oh boy...lighten up bzzzzzzzzzzzzkill 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:21:21 PM EDT
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How so? Is it wrong or mean to point out that it is not a good thing that so many people, especially young kids are fat? Are we asshats to suggest that this is not good for them or the Nation? Being poor is no excuse for being fat. I think those who have to use food stamps should be limited to the purchase of wholesome, healthy foods and in reasonable quantities. I think sodas, sweets, etc should be strictly rationed or not allowed at all for those using food stamps. I think common sense alone should cause a family to limit (not cut out) junk food and sodas. I agree with the poster who said good, healthy meals can be done cheaply but require effort. And I think this alone would be a great benefit for the family. I am not against fast foods either so long as it is done in a moderate way and not as a daily lifestyle. Good health requires effort and discipline. Not too bad if one is willing. As this trend to obesity continues we all will pay for it in the future. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:38:13 PM EDT
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Obviously if they have enough money to overeat, then they're not poor
No one in America is poor. Having enough Some of you need to go visit a third world country, then you'll understand. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:43:57 PM EDT
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They're fat because factory-processed food is cheaper, and contains all sorts of chemicals and other stuff which are no good for the human body. It also tastes better thanks to it's massive fat content (blame our survivalist biology on that one).
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:54:41 PM EDT
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Honestly, it's the parents fault. I didn't grow up dirt poor but we were luxuries poor. We had the basics and a roof over our head, no car or color TV.
My mom and dad always had food on the table and it was usually basic and decent. I never went to bed hungry and junk food was virtually non existant. None of us were fat. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 10:03:03 PM EDT
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That is the most un-informed statement I have read yet. Now just add how many white, latino, etc.,...babies die each year of hunger here too....on top of this study of blacks below. www.american-pictures.com/roots/chapter-16.htm www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Democracy/MillionairesorHungry.html www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_11_120/ai_102750125 www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/18/national/main589377.shtml |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 10:09:18 PM EDT
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It takes more than a "little inactivity" and a high starch diet to make a normal child fat.
I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but facts are facts. I have a 20 ounce bag of potato chips in front of me right now. It contains 3000 calories, 1800 of these are from fat. I don't think that the potatoes are the real problem here. Throughout history poor people have lived on starchy foods, why is it only now that we are seeing such a problem with obesity? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 10:50:30 PM EDT
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Because of the seditary lifestyle that is so prevalent. And, I will add, the lack of parenting by many people. I have seen too many parents give in to their whiney child just to shut them up or their desire not to deny their children anything. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:48:11 PM EDT
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Two words. Gub'ment cheese.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:49:35 PM EDT
[#24]
sprayed the monitor on that one...  But I THINK it's spelled "Gub'ment cheese" |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:53:53 PM EDT
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There are poor folks in this country. Dirt poor. Hell, they're so poor they can't even afford dirt. Then there are those the media likes to portray as poor. You know the ones I'm talking about. Those that are so poor they can only afford to eat at Outback once a week and fill up the new pickup once a week. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:54:31 PM EDT
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Damn that shit is good. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:57:11 PM EDT
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Sorry, but a bunch of pictures from the 50's and 60's and a quote from no less than TED KENNEDY don't really convince me. I didn't even bother looking at the other links. 50.000 American babies would not die yearly if they had access to the Free National health care of Scandinavia, revealed Ted Kennedy in Congress when trying to reform health care.  Yeah, whatever you say, Ted. How many people would not have died if you weren't a JACKASS?
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:59:33 PM EDT
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This is slightly off topic.
Soda (pepsi, coke, etc) and most fruit juices (YES, fruit juices) have corn syrup instead of sugar to make them sweet. Corn syrup is very hard for the human body to assimilate. So it ends up in one's body as FAAAAAAT. Now you know. Back to topic. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:00:39 AM EDT
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The more I read about HFCS, the more I wonder just what exactly we're doing to ourselves.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:29:07 AM EDT
[#30]
At least, they don't look like those poor starving folks in famine-strucked Ethiopia.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:07:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Sorry to put a damper on your "high".
These comments just represent judgement on people who are obviously having a hard time in life. Yeah, I know there are a lot of people who cheat to get this help, but you were all grouping ALL people on food stamps. I hope you all remain so comfortable in life, so fortunate that you or no one you care about ever needs these services. If you teach your children these same insulting values, that certainly will affect the future of the nation. The US can take care of other nations, why is it so bad to help those who live here? Just my thoughts, which is no more or less important than any others, this is the internet after all. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:44:13 AM EDT
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Joyce, You need to lay off the communist propaganda. Eating dirt? And having it mailed North too? What point are they trying to make with that? The reason those people eat dirt isn't hunger. If they can afford to have dirt shipped to them, they can afford food. Notice that every one of those articles is a not-so-subtle plea for socialism. "If they had socialized medicine like..." "If they had foot massages every week..."
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:39:35 AM EDT
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hmmm, of course metabolism has nothing to do with the answer eh?
I grew up in a home with a mother who cooked good southern food (not always the lowest in fat) like fried chicken, cornbread, potatoes, etc. I did eat some vegetables (green beans, lima beans, black eyed peas, tomatoes, etc) and most grown in neighbors or relatives gardens. We werent poor but just got by. I wasn't fat, I played outside alot of the time, not running or jumping per se...but adventure stuff. I cut the grass, rode a bike, did other stuff to keep busy and even at my height of HS and college, only ever weighed 175 lbs at 5'11" and that was said to be overweight..although there was never anything hanging over my belt and I always taped out of it per army standards. My kids are a different story, my son loves sports, likes to play outside some....shoots basketball, will ride a bike, etc...and he has a small belly on him because he will absolutely not eat anything but junk food...even when threatened with no food for a day...he will hold out. But he is active probably more than many kids. My daughter is the opposite in stature, she is 14, tall lean but still weighs 120 lbs at 5'9 and has no fat on her either. She plays sports some, in school band, eats junk food as much as good food and has a body that most girls her age would kill for (because most of them are what you say..fat). however, she just burns up whatever she eats...unlike my boy. Both are probably same activity level in many ways, but food levels are different and their body compositions are different. yeah and most kids are lazy these days..oh well..I am sure we were called that by our parents too. Essayons |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:56:16 AM EDT
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Theres lots of fat to go around, its not just the poor, on average all classes of people are getting fatter.
All one has to do is go down to the local school and count the chubby middle class kids who come streaming out when the bell rings. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:57:23 AM EDT
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Couldn't agree with you more. If, as a country, we have $x billion dollars to spend on helping the poor an impoverished, I say spend it at home. What I'm totally against is the addiditive properties our wonderful guberment applies. "We will continue to spend $x bilion in Africa, AND we will now spend another $x billion here at home". No, take care of the homefront first and always. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:14:07 AM EDT
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Being a single guy living alone, I cook for myself each day. As such, I go to the grocery store quite often and am aware of food pricing.
It is, as others have mentioned in this thread, cheaper to buy healthy food and prepare it yourself. This is because a lot of the staples involved in healthy eating (rice, beans, etc.) can be purchased in bulk and they don't spoil very easily. You cannot save as much money by purchasing Big Macs in bulk, because McD's doesn't give you a volume discount. IMO, the argument that bad food costs less is a red herring. Preparing healthy food takes WORK. The persons concerned do not want to take the TIME and EFFORT involved in shopping for, planning, preparing and cleaning up after a home-cooked meal.
I think the red text is the telling part here. A diet consisting of Big Macs and fries means TONS of calories, whereas a healthy diet would have considerably less. If this quote is representative of the main argument behind the "it's cheaper to eat fattening food" argument, said argument falls apart like a house of cards. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:27:50 AM EDT
[#37]
All that gubment cheese!
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:30:56 AM EDT
[#38]
some of it is also from your hereditary, seems like most fat parents have fat children?
a good way to lose weight is to go to your local country buffet once in a while, just the sight of all the morbidly obese people will make you think about your eating habits and remind you to watch what you eat and give you the motivation to stay in shape.  a typical American family around 1950  a typical family 2004  notice how the people in 1950 look much trimmer than modern day people of 2004? |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:34:10 AM EDT
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My GF and I have been eating very healthy lately (fresh fruit and veggies (maybe 5% canned), egg whites, oatmeal, chicken, fish, pork, no junk food or snacks) and it ain't cheap, except for the egges (.59 a dozen but we go through that in 2 days). Regardless, paying for healthy food saves on medical costs down the road.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:50:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Very true. The problem: I've got to spend $30 I DON'T have today on fresh produce and fruit to save thousands on my health tomorrow. I have the choice, and you do to. Some don't and that's the issue. If you have limited $$$, you can't afford not to eat crap. My wife is sick of me saying this everytime we go grocery shopping: for $6 I can buy 3 tremendous bags of Doritos.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:18:37 AM EDT
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I apologise for 'SOME" of the links. Some are propaganda and I should have checked further.
However there are hungry in America. The stats are not off. Here's just a few from reliable sources. NOTE_The one from Harvard was not propaganda,neither was the news. I suggest you read it. www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/31/national/main581268.shtml www.americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=675&issueID=289 The point is, people are going hungry and to say they aren't here in America is wrong. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:51:55 AM EDT
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Spoken like a poor, lazy and stupid sack of cellulite. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:07:26 AM EDT
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Come to think of it, I am hungry now. [sarcasm] Fix me a sandwich.[/sarcasm] Never before in human history has food been cheaper. If you look inot the major famines in the past 100 years, ALL were the result of "bad politics". Warlords use food as a weapon. Governments are overthrown, replaced with mob rule, turning productive farmland fallow. (Zimbabwae). But here in the United States, hunger is self-imposed. The only people suffering from malnutrition are those with psychological (and eating) disorders. Can Hillary Duff not afford good food? She looks like a famine victim. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:16:24 AM EDT
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I'm never hungry because I've been brainwashed into eating all the time by the Capitalist Pigs that spend money on marketing and TV commercials. I'm Americian and I'm going to sue them for each dipple of cellulite on my fat ass.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:46:59 PM EDT
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Your name says it all. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:53:26 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Three things that poor people are never without: Cigarettes, fast food, drugs and/or alcohol.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:09:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Interesting point. Also pretty damned sad. ps... you're on my list of sgtar15's potential troll accounts now with that short but inciteful answer. 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:09:50 PM EDT
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Its a lack of personal trainers. Oh yeah, & villages too. Everybody knows it take a village... Expect the Dems to demand each poor, minority, illegal to have a personal trainer. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:33:10 PM EDT
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I feel your pain brother, but I can't agree with that. I think the mothers are too lazy to fix "home cooked meals". I cook my own meals and enjoy them much more than eating out!
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