Quoted: I don't want society telling my children drugs are ok. I'll never vote to legalize.

So if gay marriage was legal, your children would think it was OK? Isn't it YOUR job to teach your children what is "OK" and what isn't?

Society "tells me" all sorts of things that I pay zero attention to. How is weed magically different?

Quoted: No, but it makes it harder to get. As you can see with Class 3 weapons, not all of the population has them.  Nope, just the wealthy, those who spend entirely too much on guns, and CRIMINALS Only a select few with money and whatnot. oh yeah, and the criminals And if they banned them completely, no one who obeys the law would have them. And thats just one example that pertains to us EVERY ITEM THAT HAS EVER BEEN OUTLAWED. I'm not one of those people that thinks, "omg, ban it and it wont be used".   Hard to tell from what you wrote aboveHowever, law-abiding folks arent going to be using illegal substances. Take away one of the mediums, you take away an avenue of approach. Yeah, and open up ten others.

Quoted: Yes, you're never going to completely "ban anything".  But banning things gets them off the street and makes it a lot harder to obtain.

Rigghhht.....because if guns were illegal tomorrow, I bet you wouldn't own any, right? You are so right...banning things is really effective.

Look at ANY turd world shit hole where guns are banned. Come revolution time, how do you suppose those two million AK's got into the hands of people who were prohibited from owning them just yesterday?

Quoted: Quoted: I don't want society telling my children drugs are ok. I'll never vote to legalize. So if gay marriage was legal, your children would think it was OK? Isn't it YOUR job to teach your children what is "OK" and what isn't?

I've already answered one attempt to spin my statement. I'll repost that answer since you are trying to spin it too.

I am concerned about product A and my kids. Product A is legal. I put a lot of effort into countering the advertising effort the companies that sell Product A spend millions on. I am also concerned about Product B, which is illegal. Why in the hell should I want Product B to be made legal so I would have to expell even more effort to counter the marketing of it? Unless you can prove to me a valid reason for doing so, you have no arguement.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't want society telling my children drugs are ok. I'll never vote to legalize. You should tell your children what is ok and not.  Not let society tell them.   Quoted: Actually from where I'm sitting you are the one that looks like an idiot. It's a shame you had to drop out of the third grade when you obviously had such a bright future. Pot and alcohol have very little to do with each other. Pot and tobacco would be a closer comparison. At any rate, lets try and follow your logic: I am concerned about product A and my kids. Product A is legal. I put a lot of effort into countering the advertising effort the companies that sell Product A spend millions on. I am also concerned about Product B, which is illegal. Why in the hell should I want Product B to be made legal so I would have to expell even more effort to counter the marketing of it? Unless you can prove to me a valid reason for doing so, you have no arguement. Society not only endorses harmful products, but also destructive behavior and homosexuality, too.  You don't have to go through any more effort to tell your children that pot is harmful than you would by telling them that alcohol, tobacco, and fucking members of the same sex can all be potentially harmful.  It's just another item to put on their list of things to watch out for.  You make it sound like you have parenting curricula and damn it to hell if some other problem in society comes up that you have to append to it and "expell so much more effort" to be a good parent.  Get a fucking clue.

Blah, blah, blah, legalize drugs everything will be fine.

How about you get a fucking clue. Come back and talk to me about how legalizing drugs would be fine once you are raising some kids. Bottom line: save your breath, you and all the other druggies won't change my mind. I've seen too many wasted lives thanks to drugs. Keep on screaming about how pot is great between bong hits, I'll keep writing letters to my representatives and checks to their campaign funds. Wonder who will get it done?

... If you guys don't cool it, this thread is going to be moved to the RELIGION FORUM

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't want society telling my children drugs are ok. I'll never vote to legalize. You should tell your children what is ok and not.  Not let society tell them.   Quoted: Actually from where I'm sitting you are the one that looks like an idiot. It's a shame you had to drop out of the third grade when you obviously had such a bright future. Pot and alcohol have very little to do with each other. Pot and tobacco would be a closer comparison. At any rate, lets try and follow your logic: I am concerned about product A and my kids. Product A is legal. I put a lot of effort into countering the advertising effort the companies that sell Product A spend millions on. I am also concerned about Product B, which is illegal. Why in the hell should I want Product B to be made legal so I would have to expell even more effort to counter the marketing of it? Unless you can prove to me a valid reason for doing so, you have no arguement. Society not only endorses harmful products, but also destructive behavior and homosexuality, too.  You don't have to go through any more effort to tell your children that pot is harmful than you would by telling them that alcohol, tobacco, and fucking members of the same sex can all be potentially harmful.  It's just another item to put on their list of things to watch out for.  You make it sound like you have parenting curricula and damn it to hell if some other problem in society comes up that you have to append to it and "expell so much more effort" to be a good parent.  Get a fucking clue. Blah, blah, blah, legalize drugs everything will be fine. How about you get a fucking clue asshole. Come back and talk to me about how legalizing drugs would be fine once you are raising some kids. Bottom line: save your breath, you and all the other druggies won't change my mind. I've seen too many wasted lives thanks to drugs. Keep on screaming about how pot is great between bong hits, I'll keep writing letters to my representatives and checks to their campaign funds. Wonder who will get it done?

And the exact samething can be said for Alcohol, yet it is legal.

All banning drugs do is give power to criminals.  It is just like prohibition.  Without it, the mob was nothing back in the 1920s.

Quoted: Legalization will only turn druglord millionares into...........BILLIONARES. If you really want an effective war on drugs you only have to do 2 things: 1) Lace a few tons of coke & heroin with ipecac....they'll think twice before trying it again after they spend the night throwing up their toenails. 2)First time users get to find out what Singapore Bamboo can do. Lungs do NOT like ANY type of burning vegetation << re-read that.   Jeezus, even small forest animals have figured that one out. Heavy pot smokers have the same disgusting phlegm-ball cough as do cigarette smokers. Today's pot is not the same as the wimpy stuff your parents used during the Woodstock era, today's THC content can be up to 3x-4x higher. Legalize it and industry will add in the same carcinogens (formaldehydes/ flavorings/enhancers) that they do now for tobacco...and voila, you're back to square one with a generation fighting lung cancer again, only now they're too stupid and stoned to give a shit about it. The majority of laws are to help protect stupid people from themselves, drug laws fall squarely into this category. As for kids, no sense in screwin' the up anymore than we already are. "Legal" = more accessable. Think for one minute....these kids are going to be the same ones making laws when you're old and feeble and crapping in your pants. Do you want a bunch of burned out stoner dope addicts deciding on what to do with your Social Security and Medicare? Or maybe the NORAD operation specialist "ooohing & ahhing" over all the cool lights flashing on the control panel when China finally launches?

i agree with your first part...if legalized industry would probably fuck it up by adding stuff to it. thats a good point that isn't brought up much.

i disagree with your legal = more accessible when it comes to marijuana. before i was of age it was much much easier to score a bag of grass than beer. no id involved, no anything

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't want society telling my children drugs are ok. I'll never vote to legalize. You should tell your children what is ok and not.  Not let society tell them.   Quoted: Actually from where I'm sitting you are the one that looks like an idiot. It's a shame you had to drop out of the third grade when you obviously had such a bright future. Pot and alcohol have very little to do with each other. Pot and tobacco would be a closer comparison. At any rate, lets try and follow your logic: I am concerned about product A and my kids. Product A is legal. I put a lot of effort into countering the advertising effort the companies that sell Product A spend millions on. I am also concerned about Product B, which is illegal. Why in the hell should I want Product B to be made legal so I would have to expell even more effort to counter the marketing of it? Unless you can prove to me a valid reason for doing so, you have no arguement. Society not only endorses harmful products, but also destructive behavior and homosexuality, too.  You don't have to go through any more effort to tell your children that pot is harmful than you would by telling them that alcohol, tobacco, and fucking members of the same sex can all be potentially harmful.  It's just another item to put on their list of things to watch out for.  You make it sound like you have parenting curricula and damn it to hell if some other problem in society comes up that you have to append to it and "expell so much more effort" to be a good parent.  Get a fucking clue. Blah, blah, blah, legalize drugs everything will be fine. How about you get a fucking clue asshole. Come back and talk to me about how legalizing drugs would be fine once you are raising some kids. Bottom line: save your breath, you and all the other druggies won't change my mind. I've seen too many wasted lives thanks to drugs. Keep on screaming about how pot is great between bong hits, I'll keep writing letters to my representatives and checks to their campaign funds. Wonder who will get it done? And the exact samething can be said for Alcohol, yet it is legal. All banning drugs does is give power to criminals.  It is just like prohibition.  Without it, the mob was nothing back in the 1920s.

True, but he just doesn't want to have to go through extra effort to tell his children that something might be harmful for them when it's already illegal.  What he doesn't understand is that whether or not it is legalized, he should still educate his children about it because pot is out there.  Whether or not society or government endorses it, mark my words, they WILL come face to face with Mary Jane.  Illegal drugs market themselves, and they're going to have to make the decision on whether or not to partake, and that decision will depend largely on their parenting and morals instilled.

First, I don't even smoke pot.  This isn't about wasting effort on parenting, it's about freedom.  Sure you might think that gay marriage or substance abuse is wrong; I think it is, too.  But the point is it exists -- there will be people out there that do this sort of thing.  Personally, I am saddened every time I hear about drunk drivers killing families or people dying of emphysema and lung cancer.  But I don't think tobacco or alcohol should be illegal.  I say take that shitbag drunk driver out back and put one in his head, and as for the lung cancer patients, sorry, but you did it to yourselves.  So pot may make someone lazy and unambitious, and as a result their lives may be fucked up.  That's their own fault, not the drug's.  By and large, many adults drink and smoke responsibly, and it is my opinion that it can be done with something as trivial a substance as marijuana.

But all of a sudden your argument, your proud, prodigious argument, is not about more effort into parenting, but the oh so many wasted lives you've seen as a result of pot, which turns your argument into a twisted sort of logic akin to what you see over at DU.  You think because a handful of people whom you've seen smoke pot amount to nothing that anyone who does it, your children included, will turn out just the same and thus ALL people should be banned access.  You know, I bet I know more people whose lives have been ruined by booze, and yet millions more people drink without incident.  On the other hand, I know TONS of people who have smoked marijuana and now have great jobs.  This is a free nation.  We believe that we can take the good with the bad, so people can be free.  Guns aren't banned nationwide even though assholes shoot up Banks of America.  Tobacco isn't banned in spite of the deaths it leads to, same with alcohol.  But dumbfuck racist politicians needed excuses, such as Reefer Madness, to take pot away from Mexican immigrants and Native Americans, plain and simple.  Just another freedom taken away by an overzealous government.  

So you go ahead and cast your votes and send your campaign funds.  Just know that somewhere out there, I'm cancelling them all out with my own.  

Quoted: But all of a sudden your argument, your proud, prodigious argument, is not about more effort into parenting, but the oh so many wasted lives you've seen as a result of pot, which turns your argument into a twisted sort of logic akin to what you see over at DU.  You think because a handful of people whom you've seen smoke pot amount to nothing that anyone who does it, your children included, will turn out just the same and thus ALL people should be banned access.  You know, I bet I know more people whose lives have been ruined by booze, and yet millions more people drink without incident.  On the other hand, I know TONS of people who have smoked marijuana and now have great jobs.  This is a free nation.  We believe that we can take the good with the bad, so people can be free.  Guns aren't banned nationwide even though assholes shoot up Banks of America.  Tobacco isn't banned in spite of the deaths it leads to, same with alcohol.  But dumbfuck racist politicians needed excuses, such as Reefer Madness, to take pot away from Mexican immigrants and Native Americans, plain and simple.  Just another freedom taken away by an overzealous government.   So you go ahead and cast your votes and send your campaign funds.  Just know that somewhere out there, I'm cancelling them all out with my own.

That's too funny. Thanks for the laugh. Enjoy your pot.

Quoted: Quoted: But all of a sudden your argument, your proud, prodigious argument, is not about more effort into parenting, but the oh so many wasted lives you've seen as a result of pot, which turns your argument into a twisted sort of logic akin to what you see over at DU.  You think because a handful of people whom you've seen smoke pot amount to nothing that anyone who does it, your children included, will turn out just the same and thus ALL people should be banned access.  You know, I bet I know more people whose lives have been ruined by booze, and yet millions more people drink without incident.  On the other hand, I know TONS of people who have smoked marijuana and now have great jobs.  This is a free nation.  We believe that we can take the good with the bad, so people can be free.  Guns aren't banned nationwide even though assholes shoot up Banks of America.  Tobacco isn't banned in spite of the deaths it leads to, same with alcohol.  But dumbfuck racist politicians needed excuses, such as Reefer Madness, to take pot away from Mexican immigrants and Native Americans, plain and simple.  Just another freedom taken away by an overzealous government.   So you go ahead and cast your votes and send your campaign funds.  Just know that somewhere out there, I'm cancelling them all out with my own.   That's too funny. Thanks for the laugh. Enjoy your pot.

Yeah, I don't smoke pot.  But glad you liked it
I guess we agree to disagree.