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Posted: 7/8/2001 8:14:57 PM EDT
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i know of A mag fed garand type. it was made by beratta i belive after WW2. it was basicly a SBR garand with a folding metal stock and detachble mags. buymilitaria.com or a link form that site might have one for sale. i bet its quite a handfull though
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Posted: 7/8/2001 8:50:52 PM EDT
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i think someone US gov? made a prototpe m1 garand that used BAR mags then it evolved into the MIA1
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Posted: 7/8/2001 8:58:47 PM EDT
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I believe your talking about the BM59. I think you can find a few gunsmiths that can make the modifications to a M1 Garand but I have no idea who or how much it would cost. Sometime there are parts sets available in the Shotgun News. Try Sarco Inc. |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 3:21:03 AM EDT
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There's been some conversions available. Most are done in .308 with M14 mags. BAR mag conversions are possible(I've seen two), but because of the size of the mag, it gets difficult to do right. Generally speaking the quality of the conversion depends on who did it. Many don't work at all, some work like they were originally made for it. Majority seem to be on the unreliable side. When you find one that works though, they do work good and they're a nice size gun.
Remember that if you do have a conversion done, it's now a post-ban gun because of the detachable mag. Not a big deal, just consider that if you add any evil features. Ross |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 3:29:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: i think someone US gov? made a prototpe m1 garand that used BAR mags then it evolved into the MIA1 |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 4:12:00 AM EDT
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There is a guy who does these conversions, it takes M14 mags. I've seen his ad in SGN.
The M1 Garand is a wonderfull design. Leave it be. If you want a box fed 7.62NATO, get an M14 / M1A, or FAL type rifle. [b]Don't butcher the Garand.[/b] The M1 Garand is a piece of history, a good number of them have survived combat. Years ago, I told an old timer that the M14 was better than the M1 once, because of the improved gas system and 20round mag. He proceeded to show me what a trained M1 rifleman and some 8 round en-bloc clips can do. That rifle can lay down some cover fire, if you know how to use it. With the en-bloc clips, you load them up and never have to worry about the magazine spring getting weak. With the Garand, the magazine spring remains in the weapon. [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/016/wg/kE/wK/YS20043.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 7:23:55 AM EDT
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Theres a couple BM-59's listed on [url]http://www.GunsAmerica.net[/url]
One is $1300, the other was $1900. |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 1:40:23 PM EDT
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OK...
Now what is the difference between an M14 and a BM59??? Didn't Springfield Armory sell a similar looking version of the M14 with an integral pistol grip also? |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 1:52:49 PM EDT
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If you have any questions on why not to do a Garand conversion, go to www.fulton-armory.com, follow to the Garand FAQ's.
For information on the BM59 and parts, and some recently imported BM's, go to www.reesesurplus.com. |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 2:04:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Part-time Pork: Saw an article in a magazine a while back regarding a magazine fed m1 garand. It was also compact. Anybody got any info on this? thanks, ptp There is a place that has an ad in Shotgun News most of the time that does these conversions. Your referring to an M-1 "tanker" converted to accept M-14 mags. Sorry I don't have Shotgun News handy and I can remember the name but pick one up and it is likely to have the ad. BTW I think that's why they made the M-14 but if its what you want, go for it. |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 2:07:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: OK... Now what is the difference between an M14 and a BM59??? Didn't Springfield Armory sell a similar looking version of the M14 with an integral pistol grip also? |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 2:19:45 PM EDT
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But do they use the same barrel/action/sights as an M14?
Looks like the mag is different on the BM59 though. . . . . Yeah, and what's up with this Beretta model 62?? That looks pretty cool too! |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 2:27:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Remember that if you do have a conversion done, it's now a post-ban gun because of the detachable mag. Not a big deal, just consider that if you add any evil features. Ross Unless you're using a Century or Lithgow gun (which I'd recommend for this type conversion) we're talking about a receiver made in the 40's or 50's and therefore most assurdely pre-ban. You're right that it could be an iffy situation, but ATF would look like total mud at a jury trial for a guy with a 1940's Garand with a detachable mag, folding stock, and bayonet lug! |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 3:39:54 PM EDT
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I have seen the ads for the place doing the conversion, but have also heard some serious questions about the strentgh of the reciever after the proccess and the heat treating. Just buy an M1A.
For soem nice BM59's, look at [url]www.reesesurplus.com[/url] |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 3:44:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Remember that if you do have a conversion done, it's now a post-ban gun because of the detachable mag. Not a big deal, just consider that if you add any evil features. Ross Unless you're using a Century or Lithgow gun (which I'd recommend for this type conversion) we're talking about a receiver made in the 40's or 50's and therefore most assurdely pre-ban. You're right that it could be an iffy situation, but ATF would look like total mud at a jury trial for a guy with a 1940's Garand with a detachable mag, folding stock, and bayonet lug! You are forgeting that it must have been configured with 2 or more evil feature before the ban to be pre-ban, so unless you can prove that it at one time had a flash hider attached, they would have an easier time then you may think. |
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Posted: 7/9/2001 3:55:31 PM EDT
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Hey, no problem! Just use an M1C, MC1, or M1D as a base rifle! They were issued with flash-hiders. Of course, you'll be chopping up a rifle worth 3K$ minimum. Garandshooter is right, get an M1A.
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Posted: 7/9/2001 4:17:51 PM EDT
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the thing is all M1 Garands exept thos with detachatble mags are execempt from the crime bill! the 8 round clip doesnt count as a detachable mag
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Posted: 7/9/2001 5:28:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: Quoted: OK... Now what is the difference between an M14 and a BM59??? Didn't Springfield Armory sell a similar looking version of the M14 with an integral pistol grip also? They used the BM59 for more than a while, I know for a fact that they were using them in Somalia in 94'. They only use the short barrled Alpini and Para versions now. But the original BM59 looked [i]exactly[/i] like a Garand with a M14 box sticking out of it. In the 60's they brought out the two short versions with 17.7 in barrels which differ only in that the Para has a folding butstock and pistol grip, and the Alpini with a fixed pistol grip stock. Both are radically different from the origninal BM59, besides the short barrels they have a short gas system like the US M14, with a long compensator/flash hider/grenade launcher. Some also came with a bipod. The Italian contingent in Somalia looked like some sort of exotic weapons collectors meeting. In just one news photo I saw four different kinds of shoulder arm- BM59s, AR70's, a SPAS-15, and a Beretta M38/49 SMG! Couldnt they make up their minds? |
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