Guy's...The CAV-15/Cavalry Arms Corp are [b]not listed[/b] as no-no guns in California....also, what is the deal about pistol grips? It can't protrude below the receiver? Well the CAV-15 is [b]all one piece! The pistol grip is part of the receiver![/b] Any of you shit-house lawyers know the poop on this? Who would I check with in CA about this?

Many of the current rifles are not on the evil 1989 list - I think just Colts are in fact? God I've got to get boned up on the laws here.

To me the pistol grip doesn't have to be a unique and distint part - heck a one piece thumb hole stock was declared a pistol grip in the past so why not the CavArm's?

The angle I'm going after is the fact that the CAV-15 is all one pice from the word go...Those other thumbhole stocks are just that, stocks...They are parts that bolt on to the actual receiver, where as mine is actually part of the receiver....

I'll keep you guys informed on what I hear....

Hope Gary Owen does it before the CA DOJ wises up, though we said not to discuss publicly the manufacturers that weren't on the list, our secret is out.  
If it's at all possible, I'll buy stock up and buy a couple of the CAV15 receivers, got tons of uppers that need a good caring home [:)]

Shawn, name it.

We're expecting too many new things from you (I want a 1911 that a G-21 mag just happens to fit in=)) to see Calvary Arms on page 39 of ATF's 22nd edition of ATFP-5300.5 Chapter 2.3. Article 1 GP 12226
[i]GOD, CA law takes up half of this phukin book,
[u]they can't possibly have any crime left if [b]more[/b] laws actualy work![/i][/u]  

The more I read "(e)", the more I think is actually exempts you,,, maybe
(well, it's an argument anyway).

I know everyone just calls it a CA (& CA lower), but the value of a name (as opposed to a #, no name, or the "wrong" name) especially in this business can't be stressed enough. It sure as hell can make, or break a company ([i]I know!).[/i]
A benignant, harmless (LW) name that mentions, or suggests accuracy, target, or range,,, [i]maybe varmints[/i] would work (a double meaning helps sales).


The AG will eventually want to eyeball one, & make the call
(PLEASE give them the Barbie one - Finestien, & Shumer will both buy one).
Even if you were to start sending them to CA now, they're "different" enough that I'd bet (Your a$$) that they really won't care at all.....

If they're in a good mood that day.....

If the inspecting IF tech got laid the night before.....

If you catch one of CA's political mood swings in the right place.....

If you don't give in, & let McUZI name it "My Bad Little Muthefuka"![:D]




[i]I know - You already know all that.[/i]






Hey!  
How about holding a [s]Name Garryowen's Parts[/s]
I mean "Name The Rifle" contest?




[i]Fist place winner gets a FTD pin, & permanent knowledge that if he ever says
"Hey - I named that gun!" no one will believe him anyway.[/i]  

You could stamp .22LR on the receiver and ship it with a Ceiner or a USAF conversion kit with 10-round mags. SB23 affects only centerfires, not rimfires, so you could ship it with a pistol grip.

If the buyer removes the conversion kit, that's [i]his[/i] responsibility.

How about PRK-15?

Wish me luck...I'm calling them now.... I will defiantly send the pink gun and somewhere in there mention that I am a Homosexual and imply that if they don’t pass me, I’ll sue them for discriminating against my Alternate Lifestyle!

They're in there Paul, not "in name" but they're in there. I think Shawn's idea is directed at "(e) The term "series."

It's a double edged sword to be sure, but I think he's right.

Don't you think his product is quite a bit "different" (as opposed to just a different name on the receiver)?

I know what you, & I "think" doesn't make a chit, but I'm almost positive  they'll give him the "ok".

Ya think?


[url]http://www.gunsandcrime.org/pc12275.html[/url]
PENAL CODE
SECTION 12275-12277 (2001)

12275.  This chapter [2.3 of Title 2, Sections 12275-12290]shall be known as the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989.

12275.5.  The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this  state.  The Legislature has restricted the assault weapons specified in Section 12276 based upon finding that each firearm has such a high rate of fire and capacity for firepower that its function as a legitimate sports or recreational firearm is substantially outweighed by the danger that it can be used to kill and injure human beings.  It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this chapter to place restrictions on the use of assault weapons and to establish a registration and permit procedure for their lawful sale and
possession.  It is not, however, the intent of the Legislature by this chapter to place restrictions on the use of those weapons which
are primarily designed and intended for hunting, target practice, or other legitimate sports or recreational activities.

[damned 3500 char. limit!]

12276.  As used in this chapter [2.3], "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms [plus those defined in 12276.1]:
  (a) All of the following specified rifles:
  (1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models
identified as follows:
  (A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
  (B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
  (C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
  (D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
  (2) UZI and Galil.
  (3) Beretta AR-70.
  (4) CETME Sporter.
  (5) Colt AR-15 series.
  (6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.
  (7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
  (8) MAS 223.
  (9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1.
  (10) The following MAC types:
  (A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
  (B) SWD Incorporated M11.
  (11) SKS with detachable magazine.
  (12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
  (13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
  (14) Sterling MK-6.
  (15) Steyer AUG.
  (16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
  (17) Armalite AR-180.
  (18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
  (19) Calico M-900.
  (20) J&R ENG M-68.
  (21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
  (b) All of the following specified pistols:
  (1) UZI.
  (2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
  (3) The following MAC types:
  (A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
  (B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
  (C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
  (D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
  (4) Intratec TEC-9.
  (5) Sites Spectre.
  (6) Sterling MK-7.
  (7) Calico M-950.
  (8) Bushmaster Pistol.
  (c) All of the following specified shotguns:
  (1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.
  (2) Striker 12.
  (3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.
  (d) Any firearm declared by the court pursuant to Section 12276.5 to be an assault weapon that is specified as an assault weapon in a list promulgated pursuant to Section 12276.5.

 

[b][u](e) The term "series" includes all other models that are only variations, with minor differences, of those models listed in
subdivision(a), regardless of the manufacturer.[/u][/b]
 


[url]http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/regs/sb23.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.calnra.org/kaslervlockyer.htm[/url]



[Edited By WILSON around 7/6/2001 3:47:04 PM because he's an idiot]

LOL!

[size=6]Good Luck![/size=6]
[b]And, threaten to call Jessie if they give you any crap![/b]

Shawn, I can't stand it anymore.
[i]I know what feels like to beg BB's permission for a "right".[/i]



YES?




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MAYBE?






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Is that you on CNN?

How about making a PRK compliant one with a built in thumbhole stock? Not only would that allow them to get it, but it would allow the rest of us to have a flash hider since we would be dropping the pistol grip from the evil feature count.

Or am I all confused on the laws?

Call it the "Cavalry Arms Match Target Special"

Or make it in raindow colors and call it the "Cavalry Arms Eco-Match" for the tree huggers.

You have me confused with Garandman, I am his alter-ego, the agnostic, libertarian, womanizing 20-something who can't lock threads.[;)]

How about this.... I recall somewhere seeing someone making a grip for either the AR or FAL that went back instead of down and had finger grooves, so your grip would be horizontal instead of vertical. You could make a mold that had it all as one piece, so no pistol grip and no thumbhole. It would be ugly, but I think it would work. Your hand basicly comes back instead of down.

If you use my idea, I demand one set of od green carbine handgaurds for the rights to it.....[;)] Just imagine how many AR's you could sell in CA!

I got sent to "Voice-Mail Hell" and left them a message...Will try a few more numbers fore the day is over