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Posted: 7/4/2001 5:14:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/4/2001 5:17:27 AM EDT by warlord]
Take heed! Another nail in the coffin! For all you gunners out there, that taking part in the political process is too much trouble, this could happen to you....... ============================================================= LA Times http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010704/t000055157.html Wednesday, July 4, 2001 Shooting Test for Gun Buyers Clears Panel Regulation: Senate committee approves a bill to make new owners display proficiency. NRA attacks the measure. By ALEX GRONKE, Times Staff Writer SACRAMENTO--One of the most significant gun control measures of the year in California, a bill requiring new handgun owners to pass a proficiency test, cleared a state Senate committee Tuesday despite opposition from the gun lobby. The bill by Assemblyman Kevin Shelley (D-San Francisco) moved out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on a 5-1 vote. It was contested by the National Rifle Assn., which argued that the test would discriminate against non-English speakers and subject prospective gun buyers to extra obstacles. Backers of the legislation, AB 35, countered that it would stiffen what they characterized as flimsy current laws that allow people to purchase guns without demonstrating they know how to use them. "This bill changes the existing law, which is: Grab a Coke, eat some popcorn, watch a video, wait 10 days and get a handgun," Shelley said. Safety Certificate Would Be Required Under the bill, new handgun buyers would have to obtain a safety certificate from the state Department of Justice. To do so, they would have to attend a two- to four-hour course on handgun law and safety, then take a written test and, finally, fire a pistol in the presence of a department official. New gun buyers would also have to submit a thumbprint, a requirement intended to foil attempts to purchase the weapons with fake identification. The bill would allow registration fees to increase as much as $50 to pay for maintaining the new standards. The legislation "will increase safety and provide an important tool for law enforcement to enforce the law against criminals who are trying to buy guns," said Luis Tolley, western director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Under current law, gun buyers pay $35 to register their weapons. They can choose to take a written test or watch a gun safety video at the point of sale, and they are required to wait 10 days before actually acquiring the gun. No fingerprinting is required. Gov. Gray Davis called for a moratorium on new gun control laws in 2000 after signing a spate of such bills his first year in office, but he has indicated that he may be willing to approve new gun legislation this year. He has also expressed concern that gun buyers may be required to visit too many agencies, placing extra work on local law enforcement, an aide to Shelley said. Shelley, however, contends that his bill can be implemented without taxing the resources of local police. He said a likely solution would be to place devices in gun dealerships that can read the magnetic strips on the back of driver's licenses, scan thumbprints and cross-check the data with state-maintained records. Davis spokesman Roger Salazar said the governor would like to see how
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 5:15:12 AM EDT
the initial batch of laws works for a while before signing new bills into law. "That said," Salazar added, "he has not closed the door to any new legislation, as he did last year." Sen. Jack Scott (D-Altadena), a familiar gun control advocate in the Capitol, has written a bill similar to Shelley's that also is making its way through the Legislature. Shelley said the two bills will probably merge as the legislative session draws to a close in August. Under either bill, the proposed test would be available in English or Spanish, as the current written test is. But an NRA representative told the committee that two language options are not enough. "If you have 34 languages for the driver's test" in California, "it seems only fair you have 34 languages on the test to buy a handgun," said NRA lobbyist Ed Worley. Worley also expressed concern that the bill fails to specify where a prospective handgun owner would be able to provide a thumbprint and fire a gun. Gun lobbyists contend that making gun buyers go into police or sheriff's stations to register for the weapons would dissuade some from completing the process. Copyright 2001 Los Angeles Times
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 12:34:49 PM EDT
Haha! Didn't the anti-gun weenies say that all of the problems would be solved when they wanted the BFSC law passed? It is incrementalism at it's best. When are you people going to say [B]NO MORE[/B]??????
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 12:40:33 PM EDT
"WOO HOO HAPPY 4TH TO YOU AND YOURS" From CA Socialist Senate.
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 12:43:33 PM EDT
Kali sucks. Have a nice day!
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 12:44:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 6:56:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: If we had tests prior to allowing California residents to vote we wouldn't have this problem! How about a citizenship test? a civics test? an intellegence test?
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I believe the U.S. or State Supreme Court ruled that giving tests to qualify for vote is unconstitutional, I forget on what grounds. Wasn't it in the Southern U.S., they some type of qualification that prevented some people from voting?
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:11:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord: I believe the U.S. or State Supreme Court ruled that giving tests to qualify for vote is unconstitutional, I forget on what grounds. Wasn't it in the Southern U.S., they some type of qualification that prevented some people from voting?
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Yes - the poll test (and I know you're being facetious, but I want to tell the story anyway). At the polls in the South, Blacks were required to prove they could read before voting. The requirement was that they had to prove literacy by reading aloud an article from a newspaper. When a Black voter actually had the audacity to try to exercise their right, the election worker would hand the voter a newspaper and ask, pointing to a circled article, what the article said. The prospective voter, looking at a Chinese language newspaper accurately reported back: "It says there ain't gonna be no black folk voting today". A right delayed is a right denied, said Dr. Martin Luther King. A right that you have to pass a test for is not a right, it's a priveledge the State can withold. So, how do you other gun owners feel about being treated like (sorry, moderators, there is no other word) niggers? When do WE stop sitting in the back of the bus?
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:15:59 AM EDT
I don't know, I kinda like the law as it is stated. Oops.. Wait a minute, there is nothing in there saying that after you jump through the hoops you are able to carry the handgun for protection. Nevermind.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:20:32 AM EDT
Next stop is to the desk of "Blackout" Davis. Need a letter campaign to stop these bills.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:49:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: If we had tests prior to allowing California residents to vote we wouldn't have this problem! How about a citizenship test? a civics test? an intellegence test?
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We shouldn't have a test for the voter, but we should a committee in the legisture that is called the constitutional committee to determine whether a potential law is constitutional or not. That would eliminate a lot of this bull $hit.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 2:23:12 PM EDT
Perhaps somebody should demonstrate their handgun proficiency on the idiots' brains.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 3:11:07 PM EDT
[size=4]Game over, man! [red][b]GAME OVER!!![/b][/red][/size=4]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 4:10:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/6/2001 4:10:25 PM EDT by Lougotzz]
Originally Posted By mejames: [size=4]Game over, man! [red][b]GAME OVER!!![/b][/red][/size=4]
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It just shows you they are not interested in the criminal. This is and all other gun control is directed directly towards the law abiding. Every week you guys get more gun control. I hate NY and am trying to bide my time but if that were the case here I think I wouldn't wait. I would go out and buy as much stuff as possible before this stupid law takes effect.Store it so you don't have to jump through their hoops. It is a shame we have to live like this. But America is not the same shining star. Just think while the criminal is stealing and carrying illegally you are taking a test. You gotta love it right. Only in america can the bill of rights be pissed on like this. I feel bad for you guys good luck and think of moving. I am sure their mentality is not only geared towards guns. If you guys are like NY the anti gun mentality just spreads into all parts of legislation in many different issues in the state. High taxes,big welfare,stupid programs,wasted money on wasteful things ect.
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