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Posted: 7/3/2001 4:09:02 AM EDT
U.S. Teens Struggle With History Tuesday, July 03, 2001 NORFOLK, Va. — One in five American teen-agers doesn't know the answer to this grade-school history question: From what country did America declare its independence? Twenty-two percent of those who responded to the survey commissioned by the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation did not know the answer was England. Fourteen percent thought it was France. ``When you look at these numbers, it means that more than 5 million U.S. teen-agers don't understand the true meaning of Independence Day,'' said Colin Campbell, president of the foundation that runs Colonial Williamsburg, the restored 18th-century capital. The nationwide telephone survey of 1,020 youngsters ages 12 to 17 was conducted May 31 to June 5 and has a margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points. Nearly all those surveyed knew that Washington, D.C., is the U.S. capital and that George W. Bush is president. However: —One in 10 did not know George Washington was the first president. —17 percent did not know there were 13 original colonies. —15 percent did not know the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. —Nearly one in four did not know who fought in the Civil War; 13 percent thought it was the United States and England. Shame-shame-shame [whacko]
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 5:01:08 AM EDT
What I want to know is, if they are not learning this stuff. What are they teaching them?[>:/] How to be good Global Citizens no doubt.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 5:11:13 AM EDT
What they are teaching them is a new age version of history to make them all feel good.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 5:15:56 AM EDT
Wha? We aren't getting our money's worth out of teacher's unions? I guess history is too un-PC to teach anymore.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 5:17:51 AM EDT
I'd like to get a copy of a new History book and compare it to the one I had in High School back in the mid 80's. I wonder how much history has changed?
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 8:02:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/3/2001 8:01:30 AM EDT by KBaker]
BTT. This [b]is[/b] the problem. Not only are our children not being taught, this has been going on for more than one generation. Ask young adults the same questions. Chances are if they are less than 30 they don't know the answers. Ask more difficult questions - such as "name the three branches of our government" - and you'll likely get a blank stare. Now the scary part - ask 100 people under the age of 40 the same questions. If half can answer more than half the questions I'll be amazed. And that's MY generation. How can you have a free society when the citizens of that society have no idea how it is supposed to work? What are our kids learning? That how they "feel" is more important that what they know. That, as long as you get your idea across, the inability to speak or write clearly is unimportant. That the history of third-world nations is more important than the history of the nations that formed the world they live in today. How do you convince someone of the sanctity of individual rights, when they think the job of government is to take care of them from cradle to grave?
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 8:08:51 AM EDT
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 8:15:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KBaker: BTT. This [b]is[/b] the problem. Not only are our children not being taught, this has been going on for more than one generation. Ask young adults the same questions. Chances are if they are less than 30 they don't know the answers. Ask more difficult questions - such as "name the three branches of our government" - and you'll likely get a blank stare. Now the scary part - ask 100 people under the age of 40 the same questions. If half can answer more than half the questions I'll be amazed. And that's MY generation. snip
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One thing you have to be leery about is how the questions where asked. Not that these aren't fairly easy, but questions of this nature can get confusing. This is a problem in opinion polls also. Then again some people are just plain dumb. The world needs ditch diggers too. BTW I'm 20 something and have no problems with the questions. The 3 branches of gov't : CIA, FBI, ATF.[;D]
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 8:36:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Grin&Barrett: What they are teaching them is a new age version of history to make them all feel good.
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Would teaching that the Civil War was fought to free the slaves be an appropriate example of that?
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 9:06:16 AM EDT
i got an a+ in history, mostothers in my class did not however. in some class discussions i discovered tehy didnt know we won wwII. and for that matter had NO idea who won in 'nam. i think you should have to pass a basic americian history test to vote. i dont want my leader being choosen by the same assholes on jay lenos "jaywalking" as funny as that segment is, it scares me sometimes
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 9:12:03 AM EDT
Last night my 30 year old daughter called me to ask if I had ever heard of the Bataan Death March. I proceeded to amaze her by spouting off all sorts of info about it. She had just watched a program on the History Channel and learned about it for the first time. There may be hope. The History Channel may eventually get through to them. We could bring up geography. That's another dismal area of expertise.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 9:50:13 AM EDT
Eventually the kids will think that: US President is Kofi Annan US Capital is the UN Building in NY We never did declare our independence
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 9:58:12 AM EDT
Geezzzz.....What is so hard about history??? I mean every one should be able to remember that Washington was the first POTUS and Ab Lincoln was the second,that the declaration of independance was signed former slaves after they had rose up and defeated the slave owners in all 50 states during the civil war.World War 1 was fought against Britian and Italy. They were the axis powers and Mosullini{sp} was the boss.World War 2 was against Hitler and the germans.The russians and japanese were on our side.Pearl harbor was the place that the chinese attacked.The Korean War was fought because we tried to invade the country but the communists did'nt want us there and the U.N. told us to leave and we did. Ain't my high school education good.I was No.1 history buff,top speller too!!! [:D]
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 9:58:18 AM EDT
I believe that this is just another example of the apathy that the general american public has towards their history, and their country. I saw the information, and was rather stunned by the complete ignorance that was shown. I could go on an anti-democratic rant at this time, stating my belief that the democrats are wanting to dumb down the population, thus ensuring their positions of power, but I won't.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 10:04:07 AM EDT
It is the liberal teachers conspiracy. Don't laugh, I'm quite serious. Most teachers are cravenly PC and spend more time focusing on how things "feel" and how people SHOULD interact. They try to indoctrinate kids into the ideas that everybody should have the same oppurtunities and same ammount of money and be equally defenseless. Send your kids to private schools, then to a military school. If you can't afford that, home-school. Don't have the money or the time to do either? Talk to your kids every night about what they learned, then debunk all the crap that their teachers told them. If you can't do that, you shouldn't have kids because you've already abdicated your responsibility to the government.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 10:12:47 AM EDT
Why do you people dredge up useless events that happened over 2 CENTURIES ago? Get with it, the future is with the ONLY recognised international humanitarian organisation: the United Nations. You black helicopter seeing tin foil hat wearers are nothing but ridiculous paranoids. Not even the current and former peacekeepers that frequent this forum have anything negative to say about the UN, because they ONLY do work for the benefit of all humanity.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 10:22:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/3/2001 10:20:12 AM EDT by raven]
You know, those percentages aren't that bad, considering the staggering ignorance of most young people. There was always three or four people in my non-honors classes who just didn't know anything other than sports or celebritites and fashion. And they didn't care, either. Only nerds cared about stuff like history.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 10:26:28 AM EDT
This news really makes me lose hope, and even further lowers my opinon of the socialist public schools. Most every other country in the world teach their children the history of their country and how their government works. It seems that the socialists do not want the kids to know what our founding fathers really wanted, lest they break the brainwashing and truly want liberty. How many of those kids know who Thomas Jefferson was, and what he said and wrote? When I was in grade school in the late 80's, the school I was in was a small public school in Northern California. To finish 8th grade, there was a large test on the US constution and US government that if you failed, you did not pass 8th grade; I missed one question on that test. It was a eye opener to say the least...that is where I learned about the electoral college and how things are supposed to work. It amazes me how ignorant, dumb, and brainwashed the generation of the 90's and now the 00's are, except for the fairly few exceptions.I am 27, and I feel most kids 10-13 younger than me are just a waste of space and time. The sheeple seem to get stupider the more time passes. If we can fix this country, it's going to be quite a bit of work.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 10:34:49 AM EDT
Most parents, and their kids, are only interested in how to make money. Frankly history doesnt do that unless you are going to become a lawyer. They want to be computer scientists and doctors- even if most of them are only going to be working at Wall Mart. The refrain I always hear is "how is this going to get me a job". No concern at all as to how this is going to make you a intelligent voter, how to pick people to run the country.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 12:17:22 PM EDT
just be glad u didnt c the statics for math so does 2+2 = 5 yet i think the "party" told em it does
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 12:21:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: just be glad u didnt c the statics for math so does 2+2 = 5 yet i think the "party" told em it does
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Actually, 2+2 does equal five, but only for very large instances of 2 Sorry- could not resist [;D]
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 12:38:50 PM EDT
I have a son, 29, who is an elementary school teacher in Las Vegas. (Yeah, I know I have a lot of kids). He has only been teaching for a few years and has not yet burned out. A couple of months ago we were talking on the phone and he was lamenting how "they are changing history" in his text books. If he can notice it at his relatively young age guess how bad it must be. He also was going to attend graduate school this summer, but decided not to because all they would teach him is a bunch more garbage that did not work in the class room. He has an interview for a position at a private school in North Carolina. I hope he gets it. I doubt he can work forever as a public school teacher without throwing in the towel.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 2:35:59 PM EDT
Y'all missed the problem. They had to cut all of that stuff out to make room for: Black history Womens history Gay and lesbian history etc. etc. etc. Insignificant events are now honored with an inflated level of importance in high school survey courses.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 3:22:58 PM EDT
Parents need to be involved. Kids learn from example and if the parents don't seem to be interested in the education in thier children then the kids aren't interested in learning either. Sure there are lots of problems with public schools but teachers aren't just passing the buck when they say parents need to be involved.
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 3:33:19 PM EDT
sure, ask them who our founding fathers and you'll draw a blank stare, but ask if they owned slaves and they'll answer with an expletive-filled tirade about how evil they were.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 9:57:54 PM EDT
Ya, teachers unions are crappy, unions are for wusses anyway... Anyway history was the only required course I ever did good in...But I think that was all from watching the History Channel all the time..Tales of the Gun is about more than guns ya know...
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 2:36:25 PM EDT
Mmmmmmmm..... lesbian history.... will there be a slide show?
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 3:36:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FullRange: Twenty-two percent of those who responded to the survey commissioned by the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation did not know the answer was England.
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I learned that as kid watching schoolhouse rock.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 3:58:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/6/2001 3:58:43 PM EDT by Rifles4Me]
I am 19 and I only had a problem with 2 of those questions. And to put it straight forward they never taught them to me. The rest was straight forward of the History Channel taught it to me. Thank Goodness for the HC. I think home schooling is in order. Cause I feel rather ignorant now. Either that or I need to become a profesor and write a history book. A big fat one that cuts out all this feel good crap. Here's mud in your eye Las Vegas High School. Didn't learn a dang thing there except how to name all the foriegen countries. When you think about it there isn't much use for except in trade and indoctrination into the UN. And I HATE THE UN. As for Imbrolio. You may like the UN but they have done nothing for us. Sure they go out and help people. Wake up you bloody fool. The US is the biggest do gooder in the world and yet we need to be in the UN. Obey there laws. NO. I will not hand over my rights to them. If we join those totanic twats they will force us to change and bend to their will. If you belive they won't you are dumber than you look. Though I don't know how that could be possible! [sniper]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 4:09:12 PM EDT
Please...Just show, or tell me one thing that TEENS don't struggle with. Yawn... Frankly, I am tired of all of the TEEN ANGST that I read about and hear about. We all went through it, and 1000 years from now, the TEENS will still be going through it. I really get tired of all of the "Show me attention" crap that causes our future leaders to be such (for the most part) worthless drains on society that they are. And of course, if this does not apply to YOU, then please disregard the above...But if it does, then: GET A LIFE AND STOP BEING A CRY-BABY ABOUT YOUR MISERABLE LOT IN LIFE!!!
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 4:11:27 PM EDT
And I HATE THE UN. As for Imbrolio. You may like the UN but they have done nothing for us. Sure they go out and help people. Wake up you bloody fool. The US is the biggest do gooder in the world and yet we need to be in the UN. Obey there laws. NO. I will not hand over my rights to them. If we join those totanic twats they will force us to change and bend to their will. If you belive they won't you are dumber than you look. Though I don't know how that could be possible! [sniper]
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Hrrm, I believe Imbrolio was attempting sarcasm. I guess they left that, and spelling, out of your english classes too, huh? So, just to see how much you've learned from the History Channel (which I love by the way) - which country founded the UN?
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 4:14:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/6/2001 4:11:27 PM EDT by skullworks]
Originally Posted By contras21: GET A LIFE AND STOP BEING A CRY-BABY ABOUT YOUR MISERABLE LOT IN LIFE!!!
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Imagine, once upon a time a fitting comment would have been - [b]"The army (or Marines, whatever your preference is) will make a man out of him."[/b] Can't even say that anymore.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 6:19:00 PM EDT
History repeats itselfs because they don't learn from the first time.
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