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Posted: 6/26/2001 11:33:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 11:40:20 AM EDT by critter_FR]
I want to shine a light on the great divide that I think is developing in this country, between the LEO and the civilian populations. Please read this article posted by Imbroglio, [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=33031#lastPost[/url] and then come back and answer these two questions: 1) Are you: a) LEO b} civilian 2) Do you: a) condemn the officer's actions. b) defend the officer's actions. I'd like to keep the replies limited to simply answering the questions until we get a good mix of LEOs and civies replying. However, if you do feel the need to qualify answers or flame me, have at it. Edited to add url. oops! [:)]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:36:07 AM EDT
1. A 2. A Flame Away!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:36:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 11:35:54 AM EDT by critter_FR]
I'll go first: 1) B 2) A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:38:02 AM EDT
1. b 2. a
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:38:57 AM EDT
1.B 2.A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:39:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 11:37:47 AM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:40:34 AM EDT
Civilian Condemn
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:42:33 AM EDT
A A But with a caveat. Shooting the dog may or may not have been justified (I have run into many, many aggressive dogs in backyards, and have yet to shoot, or even use OC on one. Usually, not showing any fear you can get the dog to back down, peacefully). The officer responsible for them being at the wrong address needs to be disciplined, if that is appropriate given all of the facts and circumstances.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:50:51 AM EDT
1-B 2-A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:52:29 AM EDT
Shoot my dawg, shoot me. Same thing. I'd protect my dog no matter what, and I believe that my dog believes that too. I believe that 13 years of faithful service would entitle anyone to believe that you would protect them as well as they've protected you. Tell a K-9 officer that 'a dog's just a dog!' [b]Civilian, condemn[/b] Eric The('Scooter'IsMyRoadDog)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:03:10 PM EDT
[moon] Just had to do it [:D]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:07:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By critter_FR: I'll go first: 1) B 2) A
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same/same
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:09:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 1:14:59 PM EDT by ApacheBL]
1.)B 2.)A - STRONGLY A You shoot my dog, or even point a gun at him, and you are pointing a gun at my family. And I will defend my family with lethal force if need be. So don't try it.......and learn how to read a map!!!!!!!!! I'm not a PETA freak or anything, but you can't go killing whatever whenever and believe it is alright because they are "just animals". Just because we walk on 2 legs doesn't entitle us to any special treatment. Look what we have done to this world that we all must live in. At least those "animals" can live in harmony, can co exist, without the needless hate and pain. Don't try to tell me that my dog doesn't deserve rights, because I would trust very few people to watch my back, but I wouldn't give a second thought to trusting him with my life and the lives of those that I love. Sorry, got a little off topic, and I know a lot of that doesn't ahve anything to do with this situation, but I feel that in this instance, the officers where too quick to shoot, because it was "just a dog". I can tell you that if it was a guy with a knife, which he would have had to get close to the LEO's to use, just the the dog would to bite, they wouldn't have shot him.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:13:28 PM EDT
1. B 2. A have some friends in LE but this is not good PR for LE. if i were the father of the family which owned the dog i would definitely sue for the value of the animal for rightousness sake.And to buy my kids another dog!!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:14:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:14:17 PM EDT
A A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:17:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:18:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:25:18 PM EDT
1. B 2. B Hell, I give him a medal! The only good dog is a dead dog! [IMG]http://www.contrabandent.com/pez/contrib/blackeye/AR15firing.gif[/IMG]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:27:36 PM EDT
B B
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:33:33 PM EDT
B A Does anybody know why they were at the wrong house? Wrong address on the warrant or wrong house?
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:37:44 PM EDT
1. civilian, who also happens to be a peace officer. 2. condemn
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:44:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:49:51 PM EDT
1. A K-9 handler: use of force instructor 2. A Fire him
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:05:23 PM EDT
This is shooting my thesis to heck. I figured the LEOs on here would make up all sorts of excused for shooting the dog. I guess I may owe a round of apologies before this is over. [:)]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:16:08 PM EDT
1. A 2. Won't pass judgement without more information. There's always two sides to every story. Rule #1.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:17:32 PM EDT
A. Tough call how was it the wrong address? where was the screw up? Was it a place that posed a threat? Where there reports of aggressive dogs at the proper address? It isn't fair to any concerned to judge without the whole story!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:18:56 PM EDT
1. b 2. a My dogs are part of my family, attack my family and I will attack you with extreme prejudice.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:27:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:38:24 PM EDT
1) B 2) A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:43:43 PM EDT
1.(B) 2.(A) If all the dog was doing was barking at them, not attacking or biting, they should have only maced it. [:(]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:50:19 PM EDT
B A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:51:22 PM EDT
B A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 2:56:17 PM EDT
A A I would like more information, call this a tenative condemnation. critter_FR I'm sure it's just my view, and if I'm wrong I apologize beforehand. Your opinion of all LEO's would lead me to believe that you're still a punk! I cannot support what these deputies did. But to condemn all LEO's is too big a generalization.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:02:50 PM EDT
1. B 2. A
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:13:38 PM EDT
1. B 2. A Based on the info provided.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:22:53 PM EDT
1- B 2- B
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:31:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By seb127: A A I would like more information, call this a tenative condemnation. critter_FR I'm sure it's just my view, and if I'm wrong I apologize beforehand. Your opinion of all LEO's would lead me to believe that you're still a punk! I cannot support what these deputies did. But to condemn all LEO's is too big a generalization.
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I see 40% or the leos on here don't want to outright condemn the shooting of the family dog, so I may be 40% right. That would earn me a 30 million a year contract with the Yankees if it were my batting average. [:)] BTW, only about 10% of the civies defend the shooting.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:40:20 PM EDT
1. Civilian 2. Condemn the shooting. My old lab was my hunting buddy. He always got the last bite of my sandwich, last gulp of soup, whatever scraps of meat I had, (the entire Thanksgiving ham, once). He was my hunting buddy and loyal companion. *NO ONE* shoots my people or hunting dog and gets away with it. I am genuinely frightened when I think about what I *would* do about it. --------- Make mine a blonde Swedish Mauser.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:49:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 3:58:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SGB:
Originally Posted By critter_FR:
Originally Posted By seb127: A A I would like more information, call this a tenative condemnation. critter_FR I'm sure it's just my view, and if I'm wrong I apologize beforehand. Your opinion of all LEO's would lead me to believe that you're still a punk! I cannot support what these deputies did. But to condemn all LEO's is too big a generalization.
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I see 40% or the leos on here don't want to outright condemn the shooting of the family dog, so I may be 40% right. That would earn me a 30 million a year contract with the Yankees if it were my batting average. [:)] BTW, only about 10% of the civies defend the shooting.
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Does that mean that the 40% LEO are wrong, or that the 90% civies are to quick to judge? Lord help us if the courts ever judge this quick with only one side told. sgb
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Same tired, old, "quick to judge" arguments, that lead me to believe things will only get a lot worse before they get better.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 4:08:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 4:15:37 PM EDT
Don't avoid the question. Are the 40% of us that want more info wrong. A-yes B-no Are the 90% civies to quick to judge with only one side of the story? A-yes B-no Very simple
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B B We were asked to answer based on the info presented. Yes it was mostly one sided. No I wouldn't have convicted someone in a court of law based only on what was presented. Nothing is simple. Too many people with too many opinions for anything to be simple.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 4:18:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 4:19:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 4:17:31 PM EDT by AR_in_the_woods]
[beer] Anyone ever find out why they had the wrong address?
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:22:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SGB: Don't avoid the question. Are the 40% of us that want more info wrong. A-yes B-no Are the 90% civies to quick to judge with only one side of the story? A-yes B-no Very simple sgb
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B B But I wonder if the same 40% would be slow to judge the guy that killed the cop at the DWI stop?
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:51:00 PM EDT
B A Fire them ! Officers that fearful may start shooting each other or worse yet - me !!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:51:35 PM EDT
B A Fire them ! Officers that fearful may start shooting each other or worse yet - me !!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:56:39 PM EDT
A B Awfully easy to MMQ the incident. The officer reasonably believed he was at the right address when he shot the dog. I've been on some calls where I was pretty unsure about the dog and would have shot the dog if the incident had gone downhill much further. I am not required to be bit before I decide to shoot a dog. Most places require that loose dogs be under the immediate control of the owner. This one obviously wasn't.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:07:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:28:42 PM EDT
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