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Posted: 6/26/2001 4:19:55 AM EDT
Finally completed my 2 month long Jury Duty in Federal Court. Yesterday, 11 other good citizens and myself sent an Inmate, already in Federal Prison for using a firearm in the commission of a felony back for more time on 4 more counts of possession of a controlled substance while he was in the slammer. What a waste of taxpayer dollars and time. Our jury pool was about 100 people. That means 100 good citizens, including myself, had to take time off work, report to the Federal Courthouse, etc. And then 12 of us, including me, had to sit through this trial. Lets see they found the stuff in his footlocker, which was locked, with his fingerprints on it. FBI fingerprint lab, drug analysis lab, Assistant Warden was there, the works. I was hoping for something a bit more interesting than that!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:18:22 AM EDT
Thank you for your service!! And remember next time you go to consult [url]www.FIJA.org[/url]if you have any questions about jury nullification!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:51:21 AM EDT
I hope you were paid during those two months, thats a long trial for drug possession.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 9:32:42 AM EDT
This trial only lasted 1 day. You can get called in at any time during the two month period. I got called in 3 times. The rest of the time you work at your regular job. This was Federal District Court, Eastern Division of Virgina. I must say the people there are running things very efficiently. I was impressed with the overall operation. Also, at least here, if a Juror doesn't show up, they send U.S. Marshalls out to pick you up.
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Link Posted: 6/26/2001 10:16:57 AM EDT
I served on a jury many times in the past few years, and I always come away in a sense of awe. On one trial that I served on we(the jury) sent a young black man in his 30s to life in prison without parole because he was defined as a drug dealer. Big decision and it was decision was not easily arrived at. LIFE IN PRISON is a long time. At the end I felt that I did my duty as a juror.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 10:52:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Garmentless: Thank you for your service!! And remember next time you go to consult [url]www.FIJA.org[/url]if you have any questions about jury nullification!
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Interesting link, seems more slated to State and Local Trials though. Try not showing up for a Federal Trial though and see what happens.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:58:31 AM EDT
I don't understand why most folks view jury duty as so onerous. I would welcome the opportunity to sit on a jury. I had a coworker who sat on the jury for a high profile case in DC and was gone from work for a few months. During that time, he received his full salary and got to participate in a trial. Did he appreciate the situation? Not at all, when he came back to work, all he did was complain.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 12:02:52 PM EDT
I always get a blast from hearing someone blowing about THEY would do as a juror in a trial. Let me tell you, sitting in a courtroom and getting picked for a murder trial, (or any other for that matter) will get you a real quick wakeup. You suddenly realise that this is SERIOUS business, and that something more is required of you than your mouth.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 12:12:08 PM EDT
I served on a jury once. It was a domestic violence charge (what we used to call wife beating before we got so damn PC).Anyway, to make a long story short we let the dirtbag off the hook even though in my heart I knew he was guilty. His wife refused to identify him as the "gentleman" who put her in the hospital. After the trial I saw them "celebrating" in the elevator! I hope my little girl grows up with more intelligence, self-respect and common-sense than that pathetic victim.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 12:18:04 PM EDT
Come on, Sweep, are you trying to be funny? Show me the court that informs juries of a right to judge the law. In courts in AZ, the judge is quite up front during jury instructions to say, "I will now tell you the law. It is your job to apply the facts as you find them to the law and render your decision." Not much nullification going on here . . .
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 12:44:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ECS: Also, at least here, if a Juror doesn't show up, they send U.S. Marshalls out to pick you up.
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Considering the parking situation around courthouses, that may not be a bad thing (unless they give you a pair of shiney bracelets to wear on the way).
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 1:42:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ECS: [url]www.FIJA.org[/url] Interesting link, seems more slated to State and Local Trials though. Try not showing up for a Federal Trial though and see what happens.
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Hey ECS! Don't get the wrong idea here! FIJA isn't about shirking your duty! FIJA is about your rights AS a Juror! It applies to Federal as well as State and Local law. As a Juror, you are judging the law just as much as you are judging the defendant!
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Link Posted: 6/26/2001 4:47:17 PM EDT
Sweep, your link goes to the FIJA person for Arizona. It doesn't tell me what's going on in my state (although maybe she would if I called her). I see your D.C. and Maryland cites. Please show me a statute or cite that says in Arizona, jurors have the right to nullify the law and decide the case themselves without the judge's so-called "guidance." I agree with you, BTW, in theory, I just think judges have jealously guarded their "right" to tell jurors what the law is and that it is the juror's "duty" to apply the law as given to the facts as found. If you have such a cite, I would dearly love to personally throw it in a judge's face.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:01:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:17:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chairborne Ranger: If you have such a cite, I would dearly love to personally throw it in a judge's face.
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And to do so would probably earn you or anybody else a citation for contempt of court, if not imprisonment until you said uncle, legally. Judges hate juries who do not do what they are told, even when the jury or juror(s) are following their consciences.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 5:33:44 PM EDT
Sounds like the jurors need lawyers worse than the plaintiff or defendant!
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So how much did you get paid for 2 months worth of hassles? Our court system is so screwed up, I don't think I could participate in good faith. Jury nullification is the way to go, but I'm not sure I even want to be near so many corrupted people. Judges especially. Egad! There's little hope of ever getting it turned around at this point. Anyone on ar15.com who convicsts someone of drug dealing or drug posession is a hypocrite! Don't worry warlord, I'm sure that guy is back on the streets by now. Life without parole my ass.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 7:44:41 PM EDT
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Then you'll like this. Back in Feb of 97 I got a notice for jury duty for the court of common pleas(state court in Ohio). During jury selection I was seated in the box with 11 other people. If your seated in the box you are on the jury unless you are disqualified by the defense or prosecution. No one including the def. recognized me as a cop except the judge and prosecutor. The def was charged with trafficking in heroin(sales to an undercover cop). He was acting as his own defense, truly a fool for a client. I knew there was something familiar about the def. When we were told his name and the charges I almost laughed out loud. You see, I had recently left the vice squad and was back on patrol. I ran the wire on the U.C. while the deal was going down that he was being charged for. The judge asked if any of the jurors knew the def. I raised my hand. Everyone in the courtroom(all prospective jurors) looked at me as the judge asked how I knew the def. I knew better than to say this out loud, it would have queered the whole jury pool. I asked to come to the bench. I explained the situation to the judge, prosecutor and def. The judge asked the def if he wanted to dismiss me from the jury. All he could say was, "I guess so". I went home and he got 5 years.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 8:24:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By trickshot: Don't worry warlord, I'm sure that guy is back on the streets by now. Life without parole my ass.
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During he trial it was introduced as evidence that this conviction would be his 3rd felony conviction. Calif has a 3 strikes you are out. I am reasonably sure that this felon is still in prison.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 11:11:13 PM EDT
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