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Posted: 10/27/2004 7:24:01 PM EDT

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tagged

+1

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:24:38 PM EDT

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October Surprise wetdream

Syria comes out in the next two days and says, yes we have the explosive and yes we have the WMD. Please come and get them.

This comes after Bush personally calls Assad and tells him about his soon to be appointment with 72 virgins.

Wetdream over

I wonder how ole Kerry is going to spin this

You, sir, are the type of Karl Rove, Karl Rove is accused of being by the left. Diabolical.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:24:59 PM EDT

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I believe they have posted the story at the Washinton Times. Drudge has a link but for some reason the WT site is loading very slowly

Im thinking it's being overloaded with panicking Kerry officials.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:28:21 PM EDT

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Like sands though an hour glass.....

This shit is getting amazing. I cant believe all of this... HOW IS IT that all of this can come out.. and there are still nearly 50% of the public who has ANY faith in John Kerry and his liberal army. Just plain outright up and down f'in amazing.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:28:24 PM EDT

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[I'm hate Kerry as much as the next guy, but this sounds like complete Bullshit to me. They better have some pretty strong proof of this claim!/quote]

If you remember during the first hours of the war we bombed a convoy heading into Syria. There were Russian soldiers killed in the attack.

Semper Fi
Shooter

+1

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:29:47 PM EDT

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[I'm hate Kerry as much as the next guy, but this sounds like complete Bullshit to me. They better have some pretty strong proof of this claim!/quote]

If you remember during the first hours of the war we bombed a convoy heading into Syria. There were Russian soldiers killed in the attack.

Semper Fi
Shooter

+1

WHY ISNT THIS STUFF ALL OVER EVERY DAMN FRONT PAGE ACROSS THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so damn obvious.. yet people are so blind.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:32:38 PM EDT

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WHY ISNT THIS STUFF ALL OVER EVERY DAMN FRONT PAGE ACROSS THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so damn obvious.. yet people are so blind.

Don't worry tomorrow this will be everywhere. This is way to big of a story to not be reported by the MSM

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:37:31 PM EDT

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So are the tards on DU in meltdown mode yet?

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:40:43 PM EDT

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So are the tards on DU in meltdown mode yet?

I've read on free republic that some are blaming this whole story as a karl rove plant.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:44:08 PM EDT

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Can anyone provide links to this story about the russian soldiers? I would like to see this with my own eyes...

And the page on Drudge is down.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:46:25 PM EDT

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Can anyone provide links to this story about the russian soldiers? I would like to see this with my own eyes...

Drudge has a link on his website, unfortunately you can not access the site as of now due to massive amounts of people going there. I think their server melted down.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:46:44 PM EDT

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The only story about russians being shot in Iraq was that report about the russian diplomatic convoy heading for Syria, getting shot to hell by some 'people'. US denied that it was us.

At least, that's the only story I remember....

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:50:22 PM EDT

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I can't wait to see the demos spin this one.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:51:49 PM EDT

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The only story about russians being shot in Iraq was that report about the russian diplomatic convoy heading for Syria, getting shot to hell by some 'people'. US denied that it was us.

At least, that's the only story I remember....

[Dr Evil] Riiiiiight [/Dr Evil]

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:53:28 PM EDT

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I can't wait to see the demos spin this one

DU is now saying this is a victory for them as it shows the administration is "flailing" and the admin is crumbling right before there very eyes.

From DU

They're flailing man.

It's like watching an administration crumble right before your eyes.

These folks are living in some other alternate dimension.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:54:00 PM EDT

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ABC has it on their website, and if I'm reading it right, it's WORSE for Kerry than we thought!

www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:55:07 PM EDT

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double tap

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:56:39 PM EDT

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ABC has it on their website, and if I'm reading it right, it's WORSE for Kerry than we thought!

www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1

3 Tons!!!! That's all that they counted???? That is amazing!

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:57:20 PM EDT

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ABC has it on their website, and if I'm reading it right, it's WORSE for Kerry than we thought!

www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204
304&page=1

Jus.......keeps gettin' better

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:57:59 PM EDT

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3 Tons!!!! That's all that they counted???? That is amazing

You know it's going to be really hard for Kerry to cross the finish line when the wheels are falling off his wagon.

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:58:05 PM EDT

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As far as Kerry is concerned, it doesn't mean shit who moved them...the fact remains that the explosives were not there on April 10, 2003, thus making Kerry's charges utterly baseless...

Posted: 10/27/2004 7:58:38 PM EDT

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Another Concern

The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.

The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted.

So let me get this straight... the last time the inspectors actually counted the stock last saw it in January... never verified it in March even though they knew an invasion was imminent... and now it looks like the amount itself is in serious question.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:00:45 PM EDT

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ABC has it on their website, and if I'm reading it right, it's WORSE for Kerry than we thought!

www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1

3 Tons!!!! That's all that they counted???? That is amazing!

All I know is I got me a good sig line out of it.

Now--can I get me a huntin' license here??

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:02:14 PM EDT

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Let me play Devil's Advocate here, because I want this to be an Iron Clad Bear trap for The Jackass:

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

If the UN Weapons Inspectors found, inventoried and documented these weapons, then wasn't the evidence (if these explosives came from Russia) already there? What would be the point of hiding something that was discovered, inspected and documented?

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:02:47 PM EDT

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You know, I think I am going to blog this. First thing I have wanted to blog in a while too.

EAT SHIT AND LOSE THE ELECTION, ~~KERRY~~ BASTARD!!!

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:03:50 PM EDT

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With three tons of stuff to move, they could have rounded up a few pickup trucks and taken it anywhere. It's probably in Achmed's basement someplace under the carpet.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:05:05 PM EDT

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October Surprise wetdream

Syria comes out in the next two days and says, yes we have the explosive and yes we have the WMD. Please come and get them.

This comes after Bush personally calls Assad and tells him about his soon to be appointment with 72 virgins.

Wetdream over

I wonder how ole Kerry is going to spin this

You know that right now they are re-upholstering the Presidential Throne in Damascus, because when Assad read this article, his sphincter slammed shut, taking half of the fabric with it.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:05:29 PM EDT

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Let me play Devil's Advocate here, because I want this to be an Iron Clad Bear trap for The Jackass:

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

If the UN Weapons Inspectors found, inventoried and documented these weapons, then wasn't the evidence (if these explosives came from Russia) already there? What would be the point of hiding something that was discovered, inspected and documented?

1. It's very handy for blowing shit up, but if you're an Saddamite or Islamist terrorist, the Americans won't let you check it out of the armory. Therefore, if you want any, you have to take it and hide it before the Americans get there.

2. Here's the Washington Times article on an accessible site. www.securethinking.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=51&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:06:38 PM EDT

[#29]

Nock it off...

This non-story will be spun as another failure of the Bush administration. CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC will be all over this thing, and the talking points for the press are in the faxes now.

You guys keep looking for an October surprise. None of this stuff makes any difference. There's no magic bullet and you've been driniking again if you believe otherwise.

Kerry will move on to the next lie and the press will just follow. Folks like us will be screaming and yelling, but no one is listening.

I'm not saying that W is going to lose. It's just that the scum-suckers in the Kerry camp ain't dead yet.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:07:41 PM EDT

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What did the five fingers say to the face?????

SMACK!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:08:30 PM EDT

[#31]

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Nock it off...

This non-story will be spun as another failure of the Bush administration. CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC will be all over this thing, and the talking points for the press are in the faxes now.

You guys keep looking for an October surprise. None of this stuff makes any difference. There's no magic bullet and you've been driniking again if you believe otherwise.

Kerry will move on to the next lie and the press will just follow. Folks like us will be screaming and yelling, but no one is listening.

I'm not saying that W is going to lose. It's just that the scum-suckers in the Kerry camp ain't dead yet.

They are like cockroaches. They never die. But it is kinda fun to poke at them with a stick.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:10:22 PM EDT

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They are like cockroaches. They never die. But it is kinda fun to poke at them with a stick.

I like to burn them with a Mapp Gas torch!!!!!!

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:11:03 PM EDT

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With three HUNDRED tons of stuff to move, they could have rounded up a few pickup trucks and taken it anywhere. It's probably in Achmed's basement someplace under the carpet.

Fixed it for you.

I just hope this story has legs to stand on.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:11:34 PM EDT

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[Putin] We seized the opportunity to protect American troops from these dangerous weapons. It was our small contribution to an effort that international politics and domestic finances prevented us from joining on the front lines. [/Putin]

...and then he looks at Bush, winks, and whispers "You owe me one..."

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:11:44 PM EDT

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yeah, this would (could) be bad for kerry and all, but what about the fucking russians? won't they have some explaining to do? i would think yes.

Poooooty! Don't choo tink joo got some 'splainin' to do??

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:12:50 PM EDT

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With three HUNDRED tons of stuff to move, they could have rounded up a few pickup trucks and taken it anywhere. It's probably in Achmed's basement someplace under the carpet.

Fixed it for you.

I just hope this story has legs to stand on.

Read the article above. They are thinking they only had THREE TONS of the stuff. Only 3 tons. That ain't no 300 tons.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:13:30 PM EDT

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Washington Times

The Washington Times link is back up, but blank.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:13:58 PM EDT

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Let me play Devil's Advocate here, because I want this to be an Iron Clad Bear trap for The Jackass:

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

If the UN Weapons Inspectors found, inventoried and documented these weapons, then wasn't the evidence (if these explosives came from Russia) already there? What would be the point of hiding something that was discovered, inspected and documented?

1. It's very handy for blowing shit up, but if you're an Saddamite or Islamist terrorist, the Americans won't let you check it out of the armory. Therefore, if you want any, you have to take it and hide it before the Americans get there.

I understand why the Iraqis would want to hide the explosives. But why would the Russians help the Iraqis move the explosives to Syria? This article in the Washington Times is saying that the Ruskies were hiding the Iraqi weapons, to cover their tracks. But the Russian's tracks would have already been uncovered and documented with the UN inspected these weapons in January right?

However, I also remember that the Ruskies sold Sadaam some jamming equiptment that was supposed to make our smart bombs useless, and I do remember that a Russian dimplomatic convoy was stopped in route from Bagdad to Syria and they wsere smuggling something out.

I'm playing devils advocate here, because I want this thing sewn up. Kerry cannot be allowed to win and if he can be made to look foolish in these last days, then that is what voters will take to the polls on Tuesday!

ETA - If this can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then Kerry will certaintly try and use it to say that "The Bush Administration is now trying to blame it's incompetence and failures on the nations who knew better than to go along with this diversion in Iraq"

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:15:13 PM EDT

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This quote form the article is interesting

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

The question is will they???

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:17:46 PM EDT

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Here is the story in case it poofs

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.

The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.

"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.

"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.

The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.

"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.

Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.

The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:25:12 PM EDT

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Lets look at this whole damn story like it should have been seen inthe first place.

Lets assume, hypothetically, that all of the explosives in Iraq at the time are represented by a ... Box of Cheerios.

Take one Cheerio out of the box.. and place it on the table. THAT ONE CHEERIO represents 380 tons of explosives.

This story is such a non story that it is huge....

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:30:12 PM EDT

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The USA's got some awesome spy satalites orbit above, how come they didn't see'em doing this BS? The reason, they can predict when the sats are going to be overhead. There is only so much those spy sats can do. We need to go back to the U2 and SR71 recon planes.

We DID see them do this. It is just now coming out in the public forum.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:31:56 PM EDT

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Lets look at this whole damn story like it should have been seen inthe first place.

Lets assume, hypothetically, that all of the explosives in Iraq at the time are represented by a ... Box of Cheerios.

Take one Cheerio out of the box.. and place it on the table. THAT ONE CHEERIO represents 380 tons of explosives.

This story is such a non story that it is huge....

Looks more like the tip of the iceberg to me,

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.

The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Russian involvement in a weapons program.
Russian last ditch effort to cover their tracks.
This may only be the first cache we know about the russkies moving. There may be more to follow.

Unfortunately, I think it's too little too late to help sink Kerry. I guess I'm just not as optimistic as some of you guys. Any stats on how many undecided voters remain? Are there enough to be turned our way? Will this turn them?

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:32:22 PM EDT

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Lets look at this whole damn story like it should have been seen inthe first place.

Lets assume, hypothetically, that all of the explosives in Iraq at the time are represented by a ... Box of Cheerios.

Take one Cheerio out of the box.. and place it on the table. THAT ONE CHEERIO represents 380 tons of explosives.

This story is such a non story that it is huge....

And we are all supposed to believe that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, remember?

If 380 tons represents 1/100th their stash, then 38,000 tons is their stash. 38,000 tons or 38 Kilotons of RDX is far more powerful than both WWII fisson bombs together.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:33:26 PM EDT

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The USA's got some awesome spy satalites orbit above, how come they didn't see'em doing this BS? The reason, they can predict when the sats are going to be overhead. There is only so much those spy sats can do. We need to go back to the U2 and SR71 recon planes.

We DID see them do this. It is just now coming out in the public forum.

YOU LIE! GEORGE W. BUSH CONTROLS THE ORBIT OF EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. JOHN KERRY HAS A PLAN TO CONTROL THAT ORBIT MORE BETTER THAN GWB!

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:34:39 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
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Lets look at this whole damn story like it should have been seen inthe first place.

Lets assume, hypothetically, that all of the explosives in Iraq at the time are represented by a ... Box of Cheerios.

Take one Cheerio out of the box.. and place it on the table. THAT ONE CHEERIO represents 380 tons of explosives.

This story is such a non story that it is huge....

And we are all supposed to believe that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, remember?

If 380 tons represents 1/100th their stash, then 38,000 tons is their stash. 38,000 tons or 38 Kilotons of RDX is far more powerful than both WWII fisson bombs together.

1- To date, 10,033 caches have been cleared with a total of 405,944 tons of munitions delivered to the CEA points, an average of about 40 tons of munitions per cleared cache.

2- Of that total, 243,045 tons of munitions have been destroyed, and 162,899 tons remain at the CEA points for future destruction.

3- 16 caches remain outstanding, containing an esti-mated total of 6,068 tons, an average of 380 tons per cache.

4- Kerry is blaming Bush for the disappearance of ONE CACHE out of almost 11,000 that have had to be secured.

5- Recent data indicate that the grand total will continue to grow. Over the six-week period from the end of July to mid-September, CEA discovered an additional 291 caches with a total of 105,028 tons of munitions—cache discoveries continued to the time of writing. CEA estimates a total of 600,000 tons of munitions is the total tonnage, including munitions destroyed during OIF and scattered about the countryside. ISG believes this number is fairly uncertain, and could go considerably higher in the future as new caches are discovered. We regard 600,000 as a lower limit on total munitions.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:38:05 PM EDT

[#47]

OK.. im turning out to be a post whore on this thread but dammit this stuff pisses me off.

Newly out on ABCNEWS:
Oct. 27, 2004 — Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.

The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.

But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.

The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:44:22 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
double tap

no, worse, "mozambiqued"

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:51:10 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
OK.. im turning out to be a post whore on this thread but dammit this stuff pisses me off.

Newly out on ABCNEWS:
Oct. 27, 2004 — Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.

The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.

But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.

The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.

Later on there says there could have been as little as 3 tons............. but there was another type of explosive there, 186 tons IIRC.

It also says the seals from the UN were intact, but that there were possibly other ways into the bunkers, through vents, that weren't sealed..............

Posted: 10/27/2004 8:53:07 PM EDT

[#50]

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It also says the seals from the UN were intact, but that there were possibly other ways into the bunkers, through vents, that weren't sealed..............

It was IKEA, not the UN that sealed it, IIRC.

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